whelk Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 That's pure speculation on your part. Maybe Ron just likes scousers, Maybe he fancies nights out on the razzle with Klopp he might have always wanted to live in Cheshire....if he moves I doubt we will be any the wiser as to why. Don't forget the humour. No one can match that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Whoever we get in, it would be a massive blow for Koeman to perceive Everton as a better option just now than Saints. That would be more annoying than when Pochettino left for me, because of the destination and current performance of the two clubs. Hopefully his chats with Reed go well and Krueger leaves them to it - he is so cringeworthy talking about football. But ultimately it comes down to money and how much Saints are willing to put in. Well this is all hypothetical, but I agree if Ron decides to leave us for Everton then yes, that looks bad, but on the other hand if it's the club that are pushing Koeman out because they intend to replace him with a top quality manager then it looks more positive for us. Fact is, we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes, I believe Ron when he says he intends to honour his contract, but the board may not be happy with him going into his final year without an extension. Then there was the talk of dissatisfaction with Ron according to Guan. There could be a stand-off, a stalemate situation. Who knows. Just hope this sh*t is sorted soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 No, I believe the newspapers will publish any old rubbish at this time of the year, especially when there is eff all else to report. We all know big clubs use newspapers to try and effect a team psychologically. Why would this be any different? Bit of doublethink going on here. Are Everton using the press to affect Koeman and the club, or is it 'any old rubbish'? It can't be both. If Everton have told the media they want Koeman, then that is a story, like it or not. That's not newspapers conspiring to unsettle Southampton, it's Everton conspiring to unsettle Southampton and newspapers, understandably, reporting it. Everton are the ultimate source on what Everton want and what they're willing to offer Koeman. The other aspect is the line that Koeman's interested. That won't have come from Everton (no one would print it if it did, no matter what you think) but could be from all sorts of intermediaries, perhaps even someone at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 (edited) That's pure speculation on your part. Maybe Ron just likes scousers, Maybe he fancies nights out on the razzle with Klopp he might have always wanted to live in Cheshire....if he moves I doubt we will be any the wiser as to why. [video=youtube_share;2_FmADVggCk] Edited 13 May, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 And to think this was only a few months ago. Maybe Ron is more annoyed than we are. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/southampton-vs-liverpool-ronald-koeman-urges-saints-to-push-to-next-level-a6756421.html Maybe some one should point out Leicester to him seeing as they are the new poster boys for PL success.... ...or point out how Everton bravely held on to their stars and gave Martinez the most money to spend of any Everton manager, rather than dicking their manager like the useless Southampton board, so he could break the record of fewest home wins in a season..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Bit of doublethink going on here. Are Everton using the press to affect Koeman and the club, or is it 'any old rubbish'? It can't be both. If Everton have told the media they want Koeman, then that is a story, like it or not. That's not newspapers conspiring to unsettle Southampton, it's Everton conspiring to unsettle Southampton and newspapers, understandably, reporting it. Everton are the ultimate source on what Everton want and what they're willing to offer Koeman. The other aspect is the line that Koeman's interested. That won't have come from Everton (no one would print it if it did, no matter what you think) but could be from all sorts of intermediaries, perhaps even someone at Saints. Why not? The Everton source could have had contact with Koeman (or more likely his agent), learned that he was interested, and briefed the papers accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Why not? The Everton source could have had contact with Koeman (or more likely his agent), learned that he was interested, and briefed the papers accordingly. They could have done, but journalists won't take that as a good enough source on its own. Not the ones that have been reporting it, anyway. It's conceivable Everton said he was interested and a few journalists rang round contacts closer to Koeman to corroborate. They'd need to hear it direct from a source like an agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Edit #keyboardwarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Maybe some one should point out Leicester to him seeing as they are the new poster boys for PL success.... ...or point out how Everton bravely held on to their stars and gave Martinez the most money to spend of any Everton manager, rather than dicking their manager like the useless Southampton board, so he could break the record of fewest home wins in a season..... I can see how the latter would be a mighty big carrot, couldnt you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Going to Everton is (at best) a sideways move for Koeman. I'd be staggered if he left to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Who thought this was all part of a Liverpool conspiracy, pal? Someone posted that they thought this story could be an article destabilising us on purpose before the game. I've provided additional evidence to support their theory. If you read back through the thread you can find out who who said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 As an aside....Contract renewal for two players about to be announced (club just posted teaser video on Twitter) Edit: its Forster and JWP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Depends also what the real ambition is and how much the Club are really going to put in to keep improving. Will the money around in the PL lots of teams will spend big and eventually that tells. West Ham for example will probably not lose any of their best players (unless there is an unlikely about turn on Payet) and will probably spend near £50m. If we sell Mane and Wanyama, will we spend much on top of what we get in for them? If not then realistically that will tell at some stage and Koeman may feel that it will get more difficult for him to keep doing well. He will know that VVD aside the signings last summer havent really come off. If Reed and the Club feel its an "easy way out" to lose Koeman to a PL side below us for the last two seasons at least then I think that is pretty disappointing. Arsenal, fair enough. But Everton wouldn't send out a good message to players & fans and others within the Club IMO. You keep peddling this (nonsense), and yet in 'spite' of our new signings having played 30.1% of the total available minutes, we're on course for another record breaker. It's a discussion for another thread, but what about Romeu, Martina, and Stekelenburg hasn't come off(?) And to for the sake of argument, if they haven't come off, then he's responsible too/anyway (he wanted Clasie, and he would have had to sign off on Juanmi and Cedric - both of whom were emerging internationally recognised talents at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 http://newsthump.com/2016/05/13/everton-fans-rejoice-at-prospect-of-new-manager-to-blame-for-being-rubbish/ Ain't it the truth tho [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Urrr, before saying that he is off, annoyed, staying, happy, a man of integrity or whatever, why not wait until after the press conference today. I am sure that he will have an opportunity to say something, and I am sure that he will be asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 You keep peddling this (nonsense), and yet in 'spite' of our new signings having played 30.1% of the total available minutes, we're on course for another record breaker. It's a discussion for another thread, but what about Romeu, Martina, and Stekelenburg hasn't come off(?) And to for the sake of argument, if they haven't come off, then he's responsible too/anyway (he wanted Clasie, and he would have had to sign off on Juanmi and Cedric - both of whom were emerging internationally recognised talents at the time). [emoji106] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Maybe Koeman is playing this to force les reed's hand in a new deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Urrr, before saying that he is off, annoyed, staying, happy, a man of integrity or whatever, why not wait until after the press conference today. I am sure that he will have an opportunity to say something, and I am sure that he will be asked. I'm sure he'll say it can wait until after Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 I can see how the latter would be a mighty big carrot, couldnt you... If it never happened at saints maybe ....oh http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56500-Forster-signs-5-year-contract#.VzWf8o-cGM8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Someone posted that they thought this story could be an article destabilising us on purpose before the game. I've provided additional evidence to support their theory. If you read back through the thread you can find out who who said it. The entire crackpot spectrum is represented here. You'll find an opinion for anything on here. Of course, nobody put those words in Ron's mouth unless he was in on the conspiracy too. Also your pronouns need a bit of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 @JWTelegraph: New 5yr deal for Fraser Forster. Southampton still optimistic of getting Koeman to commit, although his hand rather stronger this morning.. from Jeremy Wilson who usually gets all of our media exclusives from the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Ron is a man of integrity, he wont break his contract unless it's by mutual consent. The board has the power to offer him a big transfer kitty and ultimately deliver on the keeping of players if they want to get him to extend his contract slightly. There have been noises and enmity between the board and Ron during our bad run but none of us know how serious that will be in the grand scheme of things, most people don't like their boss but accept that they have the right to have a niggle when performance isn't good but this is THE Ron Koeman and may feel his pride was damaged by it. One question that there is no answer for though: If Koeman agrees to leave by mutual consent, why the **** would he go to Everton? Even Ajax is more likely... surely? Everton is sideways or backwards to anyone who isn't stuck in the mentality that the Prem hierarchy of 10 years ago is still valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Maybe Koeman is playing this to force les reed's hand in a new deal? Well I'm pretty sure if my contract was up for renewal having a couple of interested parties else where couldn't hurt my negotiating stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 What time is the press conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice2Eskimos Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 What's all the ******** being spouted? That nearly all nationals are leading with the same story? This is a properly valid point. I also find it just a bit strange that despite Deboer having just actually walked out on Ajax, yet it's Koeman the one being linked. The similarity between the all the nationals (pretty much) are a bit too similar for it to be some Journo sitting in his office with his finger up his ar*se going "hmmm what can I spin today". So I really don't think this is the work of one singular Journo. Something has been leaked somewhere and SFC, preferably Koeman himself, need to either confirm it or deny it. Even better, do what Poch did and sign an extension, because that's the only way you can shut the media up in situations like this. I think the next 24hrs will be telling. Because no way can we go into the Palace game with BS still in freefall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Incidentally, is it significant that Koeman is posing in one of the player contract renewal photos? Would he be bothering with such PR if this story was as advanced as some feel? Devil's advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 If it never happened at saints maybe ....oh http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56500-Forster-signs-5-year-contract#.VzWf8o-cGM8 Did I say it never happened at saints? You're the one who was doing the everton sales pitch, pal. I simply pointed out that Koeman has said on record he wanted to see more ambition in recruitment and transfer policy -and that this window was an important one. Ask him if Forster's extension meets this ambition. FWIW I think it's excellent news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Incidentally, is it significant that Koeman is posing in one of the player contract renewal photos? Would he be bothering with such PR if this story was as advanced as some feel? Devil's advocate. Not significant in the slightest. He's the manager and the season isn't even finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 I keep asking why Everton? If it was a club that gets to CL most years I'd understand it. RK likes to challenge himself so the next obvious challenge IMHO would be the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Not significant in the slightest. He's the manager and the season isn't even finished. Why bother if his departure is imminent? I certainly don't think Les Reed would be thrusting Koeman around if he *knew* he was off. For me (rightly or wrongly), it adds credence to the idea that this story is all very preliminary (which is probably the general consensus anyway, although the ubiquity of the press coverage/this thread has lent itself to something of an unstoppable avalanche sensation ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Did I say it never happened at saints? You're the one who was doing the everton sales pitch, pal. I simply pointed out that Koeman has said on record he wanted to see more ambition in recruitment and transfer policy -and that this window was an important one. Ask him if Forster's extension meets this ambition. FWIW I think it's excellent news. Well at least we can agree on something sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Why bother if his departure is imminent? I certainly don't think Les Reed would be thrusting Koeman around if he *knew* he was off. For me (rightly or wrongly), it adds credence to the idea that this story is all very preliminary (which is probably the general consensus anyway, although the ubiquity of the press coverage/this thread has lent itself to something of an unstoppable avalanche sensation ) Because he's the manager and it's his job. You don't need to look around for proof that this is in its early stages. We know Everton want Koeman, are willing to offer him so and so and will approach him at the end of the season, just like Saints. No one is suggesting an imminent departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Did I say it never happened at saints? You're the one who was doing the everton sales pitch, pal. I simply pointed out that Koeman has said on record he wanted to see more ambition in recruitment and transfer policy -and that this window was an important one. Ask him if Forster's extension meets this ambition. FWIW I think it's excellent news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 @JWTelegraph: New 5yr deal for Fraser Forster. Southampton still optimistic of getting Koeman to commit, although his hand rather stronger this morning.. from Jeremy Wilson who usually gets all of our media exclusives from the club He's one of the better ones and is usually on the money. I would suggest Koeman's agent has taken this opportunity to play a blinder and get him the best contract he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 What a bunch of bedwetting pansies on here. If nothing else, you should have learnt your lessons from the last 2 years: namely, the club is not dependent on 1 player/manager/person. Even if there are any legs to this story (and why would Everton be a step up - we have finished ahead of them twice and are on an upward curve while they are going backwards) the club will have a plan in place. Still guess all these players signing long extensions is a horrible ploy by the Board to make as much money as possible in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Bit of pragmatism is needed. 1) He's not going to be with us forever. 2) if you take Wenger out of the equation, the average tenure of a PL manager is 1.29 years (Oct 2015 figure) 3) if he did leave (we'll see if he does), then as washsaint says, the club will survive. 4) Everton are a bigger club than us, albeit not in such a nice part of the country 5) I am much more excited/interested in Forster extending his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Netherlands papers have the inside track on Koeman stories, this is an overview of their take on it: http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/ronald-koeman-to-everton-is-big-news-in-the-netherlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Bit of pragmatism is needed. 1) He's not going to be with us forever. 2) if you take Wenger out of the equation, the average tenure of a PL manager is 1.29 years (Oct 2015 figure) 3) if he did leave (we'll see if he does), then as washsaint says, the club will survive. 4) Everton are a bigger club than us, albeit not in such a nice part of the country 5) I am much more excited/interested in Forster extending his contract I don't want to argue with you but I just still don't understand this mentality. Who cares whether a team is richer? Has more fans? and so on if they for the last couple of seasons been consistently ****ter in results and placement? If a managers average tenure is 1.29 years (and players must be about double that on average) then surely it is a hell of a lot more sensible to base their transfer destinations on a clubs current quality over last two seasons and not some made up calculation using nostalgia, fan numbers and past glory, that spans back 100 years into an age when the modern game of football is barely recognisable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Netherlands papers have the inside track on Koeman stories, this is an overview of their take on it: http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/ronald-koeman-to-everton-is-big-news-in-the-netherlands That made me lol esp the bit about deboer and Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Bit of pragmatism is needed. 1) He's not going to be with us forever. 2) if you take Wenger out of the equation, the average tenure of a PL manager is 1.29 years (Oct 2015 figure) 3) if he did leave (we'll see if he does), then as washsaint says, the club will survive. 4) Everton are a bigger club than us, albeit not in such a nice part of the country 5) I am much more excited/interested in Forster extending his contract 'Bigger club' is pretty much meaningless these days. All managers will be interested in is the size of their contract, how much they have to spend, the level of competition they are in and what I would call the 'health' of the club. Saints for instance would be seen as very healthy. Newcastle and Leeds who change managers like they change their socks, maybe not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Netherlands papers have the inside track on Koeman stories, this is an overview of their take on it: http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/ronald-koeman-to-everton-is-big-news-in-the-netherlands That did make me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Telegraph article about Koeman being Everton number one target then this survey which seems to be missing someone. I thought that. Where is Paul Cook. A shoe-in surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doddisalegend Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Bit of pragmatism is needed. 1) He's not going to be with us forever. 2) if you take Wenger out of the equation, the average tenure of a PL manager is 1.29 years (Oct 2015 figure) 3) if he did leave (we'll see if he does), then as washsaint says, the club will survive. 4) Everton are a bigger club than us, albeit not in such a nice part of the country 5) I am much more excited/interested in Forster extending his contract So are Villa and Newcastle but I bet managers would see us as a more attractive option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Could any "leaks" be coming from Koeman's camp? Just trying to extract the best deal and package he can from the board over the next couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Could any "leaks" be coming from Koeman's camp? Just trying to extract the best deal and package he can from the board over the next couple of years? Seems most likely to me. It's time for him to talk about a new contract with the club having another PL "interested" in him gives him a much stronger hand if the club want him to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Charlies gone quiet since we had some good news re: contracts. That's a surprise. Not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Charlies gone quiet since we had some good news re: contracts. That's a surprise. Not Apart from my posts on both the contract threads! Haha. Forster especially is fantastic news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Apart from my posts on both the contract threads! Haha. Nicely timed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Nicely timed. I don't think Koeman will go to Everton anyway. All I did was mention the possibility which is also what virtually every national paper has on their back page today. Read the OP - nothing wrong with it whatsoever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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