Post-Match Reaction: Spurs 1-2 SAINTS

[Norm]

http://hoofoot.com/?match=Tottenham_1_-_2_Southampton_2016_05_08

 

Thank you.

[trousers]

I know I'm biased but how on earth hasn't Forster made the MotD2 'Save of the Season' shortlist of 8? He's made some stunning saves this season, hasn't he?

[scotty]

I didn't see that win coming at all, had expected us to lose that and lose it badly. Well chuffed with that, and if we can do palace as well....

 

On a side note I hope the rose challenge on romeu gets looked at retrospectively, the one that nearly took his eye out. In fact rose seemed to get away with a hell of a lot today.

[nta786]

I know I'm biased but how on earth hasn't Forster made the MotD2 'Save of the Season' shortlist of 8? He's made some stunning saves this season, hasn't he?

 

I think it's better he isn't on there. He's ours- we don't want anyone else to see how good he is

[Saint-Armstrong]

[video=youtube;GoInU-MkiRY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoInU-MkiRY&feature=youtu.be

[Wes Tender]

This was the most satisfying win of the season because of the past form that has been between the two clubs, dating back for me since the North London Yob days when they took Hoddle and Richards (RIP). Having done exactly the same thing with Pochettino and Alderweireld, and in the light of our poor record of wins at WHL, there was a score to settle. Unlike the circumstances of the first situation of losing manager and CB to them, this time we had both a very good replacement manager in Koeman and also a very good replacement CB in Virgil Van Dijk.

 

There was often the criticism of Pochettino when he was here that his teams' style of play with the high press was too one dimensional and when other teams recognised that, the best managers found ways to counter it. It was also thought that his tough training regime meant that his teams tired before the end of a long season. It seemed to me there were elements of both today and although Pochettino tried to put a brave face on it and claimed that they were the better team on the day, I think that tactically he was outmanoeuvred by Koeman. I also got the impression that Spurs were off the pace towards the end of the match, either through tiredness or because their heads dropped following the Chelsea draw when their chance of a title tilt had disappeared.

 

MOTD 2 was good to watch today because the pundits discussed how we deserved plaudits for what we had achieved this season, especially when once more we had lost key players in the Summer. It was also lovely to hear them praising Davies for what he brings to the team. We had experienced a couple of dips during the season and some losses to lower down the table clubs, but like last season, just when some were writing off our chances of a top half finish, we have come roaring back. This season is special because of the top teams that we have beaten and it is a measure of how far we have come since we regained our place in the PL, that the team go into a match fearing nobody and capable of beating anybody on the day. We fans who have over the years experienced far more downs than ups, still have the occasional low expectations of a win against the top teams, but we have beaten almost all of them this year.

 

For me, I think that this has been my favourite season and my favourite team and manager. The few lows have been forgotten because of the pure joy of the several special matches where we beat the glory teams in real style. It has been a tremendous boost having Leicester win the League this season, because we have improved so much towards the tail end of the season, that we can dream during the summer of raising ourselves up still higher provided that we can keep Koeman and one or two key players with us. I expect that Mane, Wanyama and Pelle will be off, but our prowess in replacing players in the past few seasons has given me the faith in the club to expect that we can do it again.

[austsaint]

This was the most satisfying win of the season because of the past form that has been between the two clubs, dating back for me since the North London Yob days when they took Hoddle and Richards (RIP). Having done exactly the same thing with Pochettino and Alderweireld, and in the light of our poor record of wins at WHL, there was a score to settle. Unlike the circumstances of the first situation of losing manager and CB to them, this time we had both a very good replacement manager in Koeman and also a very good replacement CB in Virgil Van Dijk.

 

There was often the criticism of Pochettino when he was here that his teams' style of play with the high press was too one dimensional and when other teams recognised that, the best managers found ways to counter it. It was also thought that his tough training regime meant that his teams tired before the end of a long season. It seemed to me there were elements of both today and although Pochettino tried to put a brave face on it and claimed that they were the better team on the day, I think that tactically he was outmanoeuvred by Koeman. I also got the impression that Spurs were off the pace towards the end of the match, either through tiredness or because their heads dropped following the Chelsea draw when their chance of a title tilt had disappeared.

 

MOTD 2 was good to watch today because the pundits discussed how we deserved plaudits for what we had achieved this season, especially when once more we had lost key players in the Summer. It was also lovely to hear them praising Davies for what he brings to the team. We had experienced a couple of dips during the season and some losses to lower down the table clubs, but like last season, just when some were writing off our chances of a top half finish, we have come roaring back. This season is special because of the top teams that we have beaten and it is a measure of how far we have come since we regained our place in the PL, that the team go into a match fearing nobody and capable of beating anybody on the day. We fans who have over the years experienced far more downs than ups, still have the occasional low expectations of a win against the top teams, but we have beaten almost all of them this year.

 

For me, I think that this has been my favourite season and my favourite team and manager. The few lows have been forgotten because of the pure joy of the several special matches where we beat the glory teams in real style. It has been a tremendous boost having Leicester win the League this season, because we have improved so much towards the tail end of the season, that we can dream during the summer of raising ourselves up still higher provided that we can keep Koeman and one or two key players with us. I expect that Mane, Wanyama and Pelle will be off, but our prowess in replacing players in the past few seasons has given me the faith in the club to expect that we can do it again.

 

Great write up. If anyone has the chance to watch the replay - make special note at about the five minute mark when Vic legally clatters Dier to regain possession; a great show of strength.

[Nordic Saint]

Great write up. If anyone has the chance to watch the replay - make special note at about the five minute mark when Vic legally clatters Dier to regain possession; a great show of strength.

 

"I expect that Mane, Wanyama and Pelle will be off". No need to expect that. Let's just keep this team together for another year. If Forster had been in goal all this season, we'd have finished 4th. Next season he will be. There's a lot to look forward to.

[Dark Munster]

This was the most satisfying win of the season because of the past form that has been between the two clubs, dating back for me since the North London Yob days when they took Hoddle and Richards (RIP). Having done exactly the same thing with Pochettino and Alderweireld, and in the light of our poor record of wins at WHL, there was a score to settle. Unlike the circumstances of the first situation of losing manager and CB to them, this time we had both a very good replacement manager in Koeman and also a very good replacement CB in Virgil Van Dijk.

 

There was often the criticism of Pochettino when he was here that his teams' style of play with the high press was too one dimensional and when other teams recognised that, the best managers found ways to counter it. It was also thought that his tough training regime meant that his teams tired before the end of a long season. It seemed to me there were elements of both today and although Pochettino tried to put a brave face on it and claimed that they were the better team on the day, I think that tactically he was outmanoeuvred by Koeman. I also got the impression that Spurs were off the pace towards the end of the match, either through tiredness or because their heads dropped following the Chelsea draw when their chance of a title tilt had disappeared.

 

MOTD 2 was good to watch today because the pundits discussed how we deserved plaudits for what we had achieved this season, especially when once more we had lost key players in the Summer. It was also lovely to hear them praising Davies for what he brings to the team. We had experienced a couple of dips during the season and some losses to lower down the table clubs, but like last season, just when some were writing off our chances of a top half finish, we have come roaring back. This season is special because of the top teams that we have beaten and it is a measure of how far we have come since we regained our place in the PL, that the team go into a match fearing nobody and capable of beating anybody on the day. We fans who have over the years experienced far more downs than ups, still have the occasional low expectations of a win against the top teams, but we have beaten almost all of them this year.

 

For me, I think that this has been my favourite season and my favourite team and manager. The few lows have been forgotten because of the pure joy of the several special matches where we beat the glory teams in real style. It has been a tremendous boost having Leicester win the League this season, because we have improved so much towards the tail end of the season, that we can dream during the summer of raising ourselves up still higher provided that we can keep Koeman and one or two key players with us. I expect that Mane, Wanyama and Pelle will be off, but our prowess in replacing players in the past few seasons has given me the faith in the club to expect that we can do it again.

Nice post, and you can add Paul Mitchell there. I didn't agree with Rupert most of the time, but he was spot on about those north London yobbos.

[Professor]

Many pundits have expressed concern about the FIFA interpretation of offside and Tottenham's goal yesterday is a good example of how players can struggle with it. Eric Lamela played the ball into the area through a group of players to where Harry Kane was in an offside position. Knowing that if he touched the ball he would be penalised for offside, Kane did the correct thing and ignored the through ball. Seeing Kane walking away, Forster and the Saints' defenders allowed the ball to run on towards the goal line where it would go out for a goal kick. Tottenham player, Son Heung-min, ran at speed through the crowd of players, past Harry Kane, and reached the ball in time to take it from Forster and to put the ball in the net.

 

Under the FIFA interpretation, Referee Jonathan Moss made the correct decision to award the goal. To be offside, a player must be in an offside position AND be in Active Play. Active Play is defined as (1) Interfering with play; (2) Interfering with an opponent; (3) Gaining an advantage. Kane was not offside as he wasn't in active play, although his presence in an offside position caused the goal to be scored.

It's doubtful that this was the intention of the FIFA interpretation and is more likely to be an unintended consequence but it is an example of a very old lesson for players - Always Play to the Whistle! In the euphoria of a fantastic win, I wonder if Ronald might still find a moment to remind his defenders because that was dreadful goal to concede.

[shurlock]

Many pundits have expressed concern about the FIFA interpretation of offside and Tottenham's goal yesterday is a good example of how players can struggle with it. Eric Lamela played the ball into the area through a group of players to where Harry Kane was in an offside position. Knowing that if he touched the ball he would be penalised for offside, Kane did the correct thing and ignored the through ball. Seeing Kane walking away, Forster and the Saints' defenders allowed the ball to run on towards the goal line where it would go out for a goal kick. Tottenham player, Son Heung-min, ran at speed through the crowd of players, past Harry Kane, and reached the ball in time to take it from Forster and to put the ball in the net.

 

Under the FIFA interpretation, Referee Jonathan Moss made the correct decision to award the goal. To be offside, a player must be in an offside position AND be in Active Play. Active Play is defined as (1) Interfering with play; (2) Interfering with an opponent; (3) Gaining an advantage. Kane was not offside as he wasn't in active play, although his presence in an offside position caused the goal to be scored.

It's doubtful that this was the intention of the FIFA interpretation and is more likely to be an unintended consequence but it is an example of a very old lesson for players - Always Play to the Whistle! In the euphoria of a fantastic win, I wonder if Ronald might still find a moment to remind his defenders because that was dreadful goal to concede.

 

You do talk some s**t

[doddisalegend]

Many pundits have expressed concern about the FIFA interpretation of offside and Tottenham's goal yesterday is a good example of how players can struggle with it. Eric Lamela played the ball into the area through a group of players to where Harry Kane was in an offside position. Knowing that if he touched the ball he would be penalised for offside, Kane did the correct thing and ignored the through ball. Seeing Kane walking away, Forster and the Saints' defenders allowed the ball to run on towards the goal line where it would go out for a goal kick. Tottenham player, Son Heung-min, ran at speed through the crowd of players, past Harry Kane, and reached the ball in time to take it from Forster and to put the ball in the net.

 

Under the FIFA interpretation, Referee Jonathan Moss made the correct decision to award the goal. To be offside, a player must be in an offside position AND be in Active Play. Active Play is defined as (1) Interfering with play; (2) Interfering with an opponent; (3) Gaining an advantage. Kane was not offside as he wasn't in active play, although his presence in an offside position caused the goal to be scored.

It's doubtful that this was the intention of the FIFA interpretation and is more likely to be an unintended consequence but it is an example of a very old lesson for players - Always Play to the Whistle! In the euphoria of a fantastic win, I wonder if Ronald might still find a moment to remind his defenders because that was dreadful goal to concede.

 

 

You said it yourself players should play to the whistle. No excuses for our players on that goal yesterday a very poor one to give away. Still we won so not to bothered.

[sandwichsaint]

Many pundits have expressed concern about the FIFA interpretation of offside and Tottenham's goal yesterday is a good example of how players can struggle with it. Eric Lamela played the ball into the area through a group of players to where Harry Kane was in an offside position. Knowing that if he touched the ball he would be penalised for offside, Kane did the correct thing and ignored the through ball. Seeing Kane walking away, Forster and the Saints' defenders allowed the ball to run on towards the goal line where it would go out for a goal kick. Tottenham player, Son Heung-min, ran at speed through the crowd of players, past Harry Kane, and reached the ball in time to take it from Forster and to put the ball in the net.

 

Under the FIFA interpretation, Referee Jonathan Moss made the correct decision to award the goal. To be offside, a player must be in an offside position AND be in Active Play. Active Play is defined as (1) Interfering with play; (2) Interfering with an opponent; (3) Gaining an advantage. Kane was not offside as he wasn't in active play, although his presence in an offside position caused the goal to be scored.

It's doubtful that this was the intention of the FIFA interpretation and is more likely to be an unintended consequence but it is an example of a very old lesson for players - Always Play to the Whistle! In the euphoria of a fantastic win, I wonder if Ronald might still find a moment to remind his defenders because that was dreadful goal to concede.

 

Not sure what your point is here? It was a textbook example of how the rule should be applied and the referee got this one spot on.

 

I only saw it on TV but I'm not sure he got much else right. For anybody that was there, Shane Long's yellow card? Danny Rose appeared to have his hands on Saints players on at least three separate occasions? Vertongen's slip that nearly put Long in on goal?

 

Fantastic win and from the above posts it would seem no one is much bothered about the ref when we win but I thought he was shocking (tho he did miss at least two corners for them in the last 10 minutes so not all bad then).

[Whitey Grandad]

Many pundits have expressed concern about the FIFA interpretation of offside and Tottenham's goal yesterday is a good example of how players can struggle with it. Eric Lamela played the ball into the area through a group of players to where Harry Kane was in an offside position. Knowing that if he touched the ball he would be penalised for offside, Kane did the correct thing and ignored the through ball. Seeing Kane walking away, Forster and the Saints' defenders allowed the ball to run on towards the goal line where it would go out for a goal kick. Tottenham player, Son Heung-min, ran at speed through the crowd of players, past Harry Kane, and reached the ball in time to take it from Forster and to put the ball in the net.

 

Under the FIFA interpretation, Referee Jonathan Moss made the correct decision to award the goal. To be offside, a player must be in an offside position AND be in Active Play. Active Play is defined as (1) Interfering with play; (2) Interfering with an opponent; (3) Gaining an advantage. Kane was not offside as he wasn't in active play, although his presence in an offside position caused the goal to be scored.

It's doubtful that this was the intention of the FIFA interpretation and is more likely to be an unintended consequence but it is an example of a very old lesson for players - Always Play to the Whistle! In the euphoria of a fantastic win, I wonder if Ronald might still find a moment to remind his defenders because that was dreadful goal to concede.

 

I can see what you're saying here. At this level everything happens very quickly and I have no doubt that Kane's movement would have been enough to distract Forster for the fraction of a second that meant that he was just too late to claim the ball at Son's feet. His view of Son's run will have been obscured by Kane just enough to cause a misjudgement of whether he could intercept the ball but not enough to have been given as offside. Under the present interpretation the ruling was correct but back in my day Kane would have been flagged and rightly so. As Bill Nicholson said: 'If he's not interfering, what is he doing on the pitch?'

[Secret Site Agent]

I fancied it today , . Once we went 2-1 up they were as flat as **** , most sides would have done them from that position , Had they needed to beat us today , they would have done . I really don't recognise or understand the gloating on here , they were there for the taking and we didn't need to play particularly well to beat them . They were flat , understandably so . Having said that , we got the job done . Long , VvD , Davo , outstanding . Tadic was in and out , Martina a liability, Fonte was dodgy , FF at fault for the goal . Don't get me wrong, I'm chuffed as **** to do them , but let's not get carried away .

 

Considering there other target is to finish above Arsenal, and the loss meaning that if Arsenal had won they would have overtaken them, (and the Arse are only 2 points behind) they didn't, as you may be alluding too, not try to win because they had nothing to play for.

[Saint IQ]

Me and brother worked out before this game that we could finish 5th IF we win our 2, West Ham beat United but lose to Stoke, United lose to B-mouth (and hope Liverpool drop points) he put a quid on the 5 fold Saints, Saints, West Ham, Stoke, Bournemouth-pays 425/1. Bournemouth the obvious long shot at around 7/8-1

[VectisSaint]

Many pundits have expressed concern about the FIFA interpretation of offside and Tottenham's goal yesterday is a good example of how players can struggle with it. Eric Lamela played the ball into the area through a group of players to where Harry Kane was in an offside position. Knowing that if he touched the ball he would be penalised for offside, Kane did the correct thing and ignored the through ball. Seeing Kane walking away, Forster and the Saints' defenders allowed the ball to run on towards the goal line where it would go out for a goal kick. Tottenham player, Son Heung-min, ran at speed through the crowd of players, past Harry Kane, and reached the ball in time to take it from Forster and to put the ball in the net.

 

Under the FIFA interpretation, Referee Jonathan Moss made the correct decision to award the goal. To be offside, a player must be in an offside position AND be in Active Play. Active Play is defined as (1) Interfering with play; (2) Interfering with an opponent; (3) Gaining an advantage. Kane was not offside as he wasn't in active play, although his presence in an offside position caused the goal to be scored.

It's doubtful that this was the intention of the FIFA interpretation and is more likely to be an unintended consequence but it is an example of a very old lesson for players - Always Play to the Whistle! In the euphoria of a fantastic win, I wonder if Ronald might still find a moment to remind his defenders because that was dreadful goal to concede.

So as Kane was in an offside position AND (3) gained an advantage the goal should have been disallowed for offside according to your assessment. Don't really care as we won, and anyway our defence and Forster were hopeless and comical in their efforts to stop Son that it would be somewhat petty to disallow the goal.

[scorchio21]

Although it's nice to look at permutations that would result in us finishing 5th, realistically it's quite unlikely that we will manage to even finish 6th, and matters are actually still out of our hands for us to even finish 7th. We still need West Ham or Liverpool to drop points and can't just assume that we will roll over Palace on the last day like some seem to think.

 

So for that reason I'll be supporting Man U tomorrow and (obviously) Chelsea on Wednesday to help us get to the all-important 7th. And then unfortunately have to support Man U in the FA Cup final which isn't much fun.

[Fan The Flames]

I can see what you're saying here. At this level everything happens very quickly and I have no doubt that Kane's movement would have been enough to distract Forster for the fraction of a second that meant that he was just too late to claim the ball at Son's feet. His view of Son's run will have been obscured by Kane just enough to cause a misjudgement of whether he could intercept the ball but not enough to have been given as offside. Under the present interpretation the ruling was correct but back in my day Kane would have been flagged and rightly so. As Bill Nicholson said: 'If he's not interfering, what is he doing on the pitch?'

 

That Bill Nicholson quote is ********, but I agree there is a strong argument to say that Kane was interfering with play. I don't think there would have been much protesting if the flag had gone up.

[Whitey Grandad]

That Bill Nicholson quote is ********, but I agree there is a strong argument to say that Kane was interfering with play. I don't think there would have been much protesting if the flag had gone up.

 

The problem with the modern (latest) interpretation is that the official on the line can see if someone is in an offside position but cannot tell whether that person is interfering with an opponent by moving across or into their line of view, usually the referee has the best view of that. Either way I don't think that Kane could be considered offside under the current interpretations. He didn't actually stop moving though, he wandered towards the route that Son was taking and was probably enough of a distraction to disturb Forster's decsion-making. If you can be bothered to wade through the FIFA spiel then they talk about 'everybody wanting more goals' and so they opt for a more liberal interpretation. I'm all for more goals but not when they are against my side.

[positivepete]

As Kane was (albeit) walking towards the path of the ball, I am sure that some officials would have given that movement as interfering with play. Moss has been revealed as making more game changing mistakes than any other referee this season.

[eelpie]

This was the most satisfying win of the season because of the past form that has been between the two clubs, dating back for me since the North London Yob days when they took Hoddle and Richards (RIP). Having done exactly the same thing with Pochettino and Alderweireld, and in the light of our poor record of wins at WHL, there was a score to settle. Unlike the circumstances of the first situation of losing manager and CB to them, this time we had both a very good replacement manager in Koeman and also a very good replacement CB in Virgil Van Dijk.

 

There was often the criticism of Pochettino when he was here that his teams' style of play with the high press was too one dimensional and when other teams recognised that, the best managers found ways to counter it. It was also thought that his tough training regime meant that his teams tired before the end of a long season. It seemed to me there were elements of both today and although Pochettino tried to put a brave face on it and claimed that they were the better team on the day, I think that tactically he was outmanoeuvred by Koeman. I also got the impression that Spurs were off the pace towards the end of the match, either through tiredness or because their heads dropped following the Chelsea draw when their chance of a title tilt had disappeared.

 

MOTD 2 was good to watch today because the pundits discussed how we deserved plaudits for what we had achieved this season, especially when once more we had lost key players in the Summer. It was also lovely to hear them praising Davies for what he brings to the team. We had experienced a couple of dips during the season and some losses to lower down the table clubs, but like last season, just when some were writing off our chances of a top half finish, we have come roaring back. This season is special because of the top teams that we have beaten and it is a measure of how far we have come since we regained our place in the PL, that the team go into a match fearing nobody and capable of beating anybody on the day. We fans who have over the years experienced far more downs than ups, still have the occasional low expectations of a win against the top teams, but we have beaten almost all of them this year.

 

For me, I think that this has been my favourite season and my favourite team and manager. The few lows have been forgotten because of the pure joy of the several special matches where we beat the glory teams in real style. It has been a tremendous boost having Leicester win the League this season, because we have improved so much towards the tail end of the season, that we can dream during the summer of raising ourselves up still higher provided that we can keep Koeman and one or two key players with us. I expect that Mane, Wanyama and Pelle will be off, but our prowess in replacing players in the past few seasons has given me the faith in the club to expect that we can do it again.

 

Excellent comments. I would just add that surely we had three dips in form, if the beginning of season is counted, when new players were adjusting to playing with each other. Plus our difficult European baptism ( I won't say distraction). It certainly has been a strange season because the losing runs really did look bad. Koeman has shown how tactically adept he is, unlike Pochettino, proving him to be a top manager. What an inspiration, Big Ron, for this exciting season thank you!

[Wes Tender]

A tactical analysis from a Spurs blog confirms that they also believe Pochettino has no Plan B.

 

Harry Kane talked before the Chelsea game about how they knew that we would press high, overrun and outwork them and it was up to them to stop it. This shows our power that many can’t live with, but also a certain naivety that there isn’t a backup plan when it runs in to trouble.

 

This has been an excellent season, but we do need a plan B when factors like weather or an opponent is set up to counteract our tactics. Admittedly, we were without the highly influential Mousa Dembele and Dele Alli, with very few reserve options to replace these two. Our starting eleven is arguably the strongest in the Premier League; it’s the depth of both personnel and range of tactics that need to be addressed this summer.

 

http://www.spursfanatic.com/spurs-result/spurs-1-2-southampton-failure-push-home-wide-area-advantage/

 

The article seems fair comment, flavoured with the natural bias one would expect, but tellingly it does credit Koeman tactically for taking account of the heat of the day and planning accordingly.

[ashnats]

As Kane was (albeit) walking towards the path of the ball, I am sure that some officials would have given that movement as interfering with play. Moss has been revealed as making more game changing mistakes than any other referee this season.

 

Also, it was a pass to Kane. If kane had not been there, they wouldn't have made the pass in the first place. If kane had not been there, Forster would have played the angles for Son as the sole runner, instead of covering both. If kane hadn't have been there, they wouldn't have scored.

 

If he had of blown for offside, there would have been no mention of it, it would have just been a saints free kick and no one would have thought anything of it.

 

We've not had many good refs this year, pundits always say it evens out, which means we should get a few dodgy decisions going our way next week.

[VectisSaint]

We've not had many good refs this year, pundits always say it evens out, which means we should get a few dodgy decisions going our way next week.

As already mentioned Spurs should have had 2 corners which were wrongly awarded to us as goal kicks.

[ashnats]

As already mentioned Spurs should have had 2 corners which were wrongly awarded to us as goal kicks.

 

not even though is it. If I said to you, you can have two goal kicks every game next season, that should have been corners, but to even it out, I'm going to give the opposition one free goal every game, would you take it?

[angelman]

One of the goal kicks to me was the correct decision, even though I am almost as blind as a bat. But in any event, there was presumably some doubt so the defenders get the benefit of that doubt.

[Professor]

I can see what you're saying here. At this level everything happens very quickly and I have no doubt that Kane's movement would have been enough to distract Forster for the fraction of a second that meant that he was just too late to claim the ball at Son's feet. His view of Son's run will have been obscured by Kane just enough to cause a misjudgement of whether he could intercept the ball but not enough to have been given as offside. Under the present interpretation the ruling was correct but back in my day Kane would have been flagged and rightly so. As Bill Nicholson said: 'If he's not interfering, what is he doing on the pitch?'

 

This makes the point very well. The off-side interpretation now takes account of 'interfering with an opponent', but not 'interfering with play'. It seems to me that Kane was interfering with play but if he was, that is not an offence under the interpretation. Neither did Kane gain an advantage, because the advantage was obtained not by him but by a team-mate. If that had been the winning goal, I suspect there would have been more controversy over it but as the rule stands, the ref got it right. It would be nice to think that the rule will be looked at but instances like this one are probably quite rare.

[angelman]

This makes the point very well. The off-side interpretation now takes account of 'interfering with an opponent', but not 'interfering with play'. It seems to me that Kane was interfering with play but if he was, that is not an offence under the interpretation. Neither did Kane gain an advantage, because the advantage was obtained not by him but by a team-mate. If that had been the winning goal, I suspect there would have been more controversy over it but as the rule stands, the ref got it right. It would be nice to think that the rule will be looked at but instances like this one are probably quite rare.

 

Disagree whole heartedly about Kane's influence on the goal. To me at least, you could see Kane running across the back line, did a little hesitation as the ball passed a yard in front of him, and it was only when the ball passed in front of him that FF moved off of his line. He was sticking to his line to deal with the threat that Kane was potentially giving. The silly thing about this though is how it is a grey area.

 

Fortunately it is a little academic.

[Koolman]

3 Saints playes in Garth Crooks' team of the week - http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36241949

[The9]

Many pundits have expressed concern about the FIFA interpretation of offside and Tottenham's goal yesterday is a good example of how players can struggle with it. Eric Lamela played the ball into the area through a group of players to where Harry Kane was in an offside position. Knowing that if he touched the ball he would be penalised for offside, Kane did the correct thing and ignored the through ball. Seeing Kane walking away, Forster and the Saints' defenders allowed the ball to run on towards the goal line where it would go out for a goal kick. Tottenham player, Son Heung-min, ran at speed through the crowd of players, past Harry Kane, and reached the ball in time to take it from Forster and to put the ball in the net.

 

Under the FIFA interpretation, Referee Jonathan Moss made the correct decision to award the goal. To be offside, a player must be in an offside position AND be in Active Play. Active Play is defined as (1) Interfering with play; (2) Interfering with an opponent; (3) Gaining an advantage. Kane was not offside as he wasn't in active play, although his presence in an offside position caused the goal to be scored.

It's doubtful that this was the intention of the FIFA interpretation and is more likely to be an unintended consequence but it is an example of a very old lesson for players - Always Play to the Whistle! In the euphoria of a fantastic win, I wonder if Ronald might still find a moment to remind his defenders because that was dreadful goal to concede.

 

Unfortunately this is wrong.