Saint Charlie Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-how-scouting-philippe-coutinho-paved-the-way-for-mauricio-pochettinos-arrival-at-tottenham-a3240441.html Posted in another thread but deserves its own, quite a few interesting bits in there. Pretty clear Reed liked his approach, especially from an Academy perspective. Wonder if they do have a bit of tension with Koeman on that side of things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-how-scouting-philippe-coutinho-paved-the-way-for-mauricio-pochettinos-arrival-at-tottenham-a3240441.html Posted in another thread but deserves its own, quite a few interesting bits in there. Pretty clear Reed liked his approach, especially from an Academy perspective. Wonder if they do have a bit of tension with Koeman on that side of things? the fact the club want Koeman to sign a new contract would suggest not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I thought it was Cortese who masterminded Adkins replacement with Poch. maybe not then as for the club wanting Koeman to sign. where have you heard this? the manager himself has stated that no talks on that front have taken place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I thought it was Cortese who masterminded Adkins replacement with Poch. maybe not then as for the club wanting Koeman to sign. where have you heard this? the manager himself has stated that no talks on that front have taken place Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger says discussions are progressing over a new contract for manager Ronald Koeman. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36045596 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger says discussions are progressing over a new contract for manager Ronald Koeman. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36045596 how come ronald said a few days ago that no talks about a new deal have taken place? who is telling porkies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 The best thing about MP is the fact that he promotes British players, in fact he has been instrumental in providing England (and U21) with their players, Rodrigues, lambert, Lallana, Clyne, Chambers, Shaw, JWP, Kane, Ale, Dier, Mason, Walker, Rose. Clearly they haven't all played at the same time and perhaps one or two of them were in the frame before him, but its pretty good. He also isn't afraid to trust the young kids, he believes in them (and that makes them believe in themselves) which is the one criticism that you could label at RK (as well as most of the other PL managers). And his style of football is very good and very effective. He has proved it with us and proved it even more at Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger says discussions are progressing over a new contract for manager Ronald Koeman. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36045596 is that the same guy who said no one was leaving the day before Lambert did? Is it the same one who said that 'contract talks with MP/Clyne were progressing..."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-how-scouting-philippe-coutinho-paved-the-way-for-mauricio-pochettinos-arrival-at-tottenham-a3240441.html Posted in another thread but deserves its own, quite a few interesting bits in there. Pretty clear Reed liked his approach, especially from an Academy perspective. Wonder if they do have a bit of tension with Koeman on that side of things? Why do you wonder if there is a problem with something yet never wonder if things are good...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 is that the same guy who said no one was leaving the day before Lambert did? Is it the same one who said that 'contract talks with MP/Clyne were progressing..."? I don't know but he was the guy that said Morgan and Jrod wouldn't be sold the summer before last or that Mane and Vic weren't going were last summer. My take is contract talks aren't conclusive nothing is set until the ink dries on the contract just because talks are progressing doesn't mean anyone has agreed to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I don't know but he was the guy that said Morgan and Jrod wouldn't be sold the summer before last or that Mane and Vic weren't going were last summer. My take is contract talks aren't conclusive nothing is set until the ink dries on the contract just because talks are progressing doesn't mean anyone has agreed to anything. so how come Ronald said literally a couple of days ago that talks on a new deal for him simply have not taken place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I thought it was Cortese who masterminded Adkins replacement with Poch. maybe not then There doesn't seem to be much direct involvement by Cortese in terms of identifying the man. Although Cortese may have responsible for putting the manager scouting system in place. He will also have been involved in the selection process from that `potentials' list. As with the transfer committee, several people will have had input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-how-scouting-philippe-coutinho-paved-the-way-for-mauricio-pochettinos-arrival-at-tottenham-a3240441.html Posted in another thread but deserves its own, quite a few interesting bits in there. Pretty clear Reed liked his approach, especially from an Academy perspective. Wonder if they do have a bit of tension with Koeman on that side of things? I wonder the same thing. I get the impression (perhaps wrongly) that Ron has little to do with the academy. If Les contrasts that with Poch's attitude he may feel disappointed by that side of Ron's management. Thing is, if Ron says they aren't good enough and the first team's results are going well, what can Les say? Perhaps the next manager after Ron will be expected to be more hands on with the youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Perhaps the next manager after Ron will be expected to be more hands on with the youngsters. ITK? Is it Rix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Signing Juanmi, Martina, Romeu, and Caulker (...and to a lesser extent Austin), all sort of belie the possibility that Reed has too hard a hard on about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 so how come Ronald said literally a couple of days ago that talks on a new deal for him simply have not taken place? Where was this? Please and thank yous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Where was this? Please and thank yous. he said it in the pre city game presser he was asked about him being linked with everton and arsenal. He said he would not talk about individual clubs but stated he is ambitious. when asked if he would be at saints next season, he said yes as he has 1 year left on his new deal he went on to say that discussions about the coming season has taken place regarding the club but no talks on a new deal. He did add that there is still plenty of time for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 ITK? Is it Rix? LOL! Got some funny looks at work as that comment made me splutter my drink all over place! Yeah he's being brought in to get them to run faster! Perhaps I should have re-phrased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2016 (edited) Why do you wonder if there is a problem with something yet never wonder if things are good...? I'm not. Things are definitely good. Just interesting that Reed said Pochettino is the hardest working Manager you will find and specifically called out the Academy stuff which is obviously important to the club. I didn't post the article for that though, generally found it interesting in many ways. You can see why Pochettino was such a good fit for us initially and this is the first time Reed has really spoken about how he came to be at Saints. Edited 5 May, 2016 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Can't imagine Ronald spends time with any of our under 18s but who knows! Ronald has done a superb job here with all the players that left though and though Poch might be better at bringing through young players Big Ron has a decent track record of that at previous clubs. When comparing the two you could say they both have different styles but both work, think Ronald has the edge when it comes to a plan B. Both great managers and Les Reed should be praised highly for all managerial appointments since his arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I think as long as there's something to really play for (which there has been al season), we all expect the manager to get out the best team possible. It's fantastic if there's some space to experiment with academy talents, but at which point this season would that have seemed like a great idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 he said it in the pre city game presser he was asked about him being linked with everton and arsenal. He said he would not talk about individual clubs but stated he is ambitious. when asked if he would be at saints next season, he said yes as he has 1 year left on his new deal he went on to say that discussions about the coming season has taken place regarding the club but no talks on a new deal. He did add that there is still plenty of time for that Ta (want to watch it for myself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 so how come Ronald said literally a couple of days ago that talks on a new deal for him simply have not taken place? How the **** should I know? You asked the question I pointed out the report. Maybe when a Canadian is talking to a Dutch man things get lost in translation. Ralph probably went into one of his management speak speeches, thought he'd been perfectly clear about a new contract, walked away humming a little ditty and Koeman was stood there thinking WTF was that all about while scratching his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Ta (want to watch it for myself) Good idea. In that you will also hear RK telling us that the club had presented him the five year plan and that he could see for himself how ambitious this club is for the future. So Ralph is correct in saying that discussions are progressing in the right direction and Ronald is correct in saying that negotiations on the contract have not started. Ignore the paranoid rantings of conspiracy. One discussion will naturally lead to the other. All in good time. Besides which - look at the article date - it's already three weeks old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-how-scouting-philippe-coutinho-paved-the-way-for-mauricio-pochettinos-arrival-at-tottenham-a3240441.html Posted in another thread but deserves its own, quite a few interesting bits in there. Pretty clear Reed liked his approach, especially from an Academy perspective. Wonder if they do have a bit of tension with Koeman on that side of things? I doubt there is tension. Having appointed the manager you have to let him girt on with the job and not micro manage. Some things Ron will do better and some things Poch did better. I know its a radical thing to do but putting to one side the obvious things Poch did well, one area where I think we have really improved under Ronald is that we press more intelligently. Ron has told them exactly when to press whereas Poch just thinks if you keep pressing it'll go your way eventually. Also, Ron seems far more skilled in subtly altering formations and style before and during there game depending on who we play and how things are going. Well - it works 9 times out of 10 anyway which isn't bad. I agree he has not used the youth so much but given the creme has already been sold and we are higher up the league, it's not easy. You can see from the training pictures that a good deal are involved in training with the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 ITK? Is it Rix? [emoji122] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 how come ronald said a few days ago that no talks about a new deal have taken place? who is telling porkies? He didn't say any such thing. He said discussions were taking place about a new 5 year plan and that contract talks might/will follow but that its too early (that was at least 2 weeks ago now). I guess some people just seem to have a simplistic (or simple) view on things. Its an on-going thing, not a one-off meeting to agree the new terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 so how come Ronald said literally a couple of days ago that talks on a new deal for him simply have not taken place? He didn't, and you know he didn't. Why would he have said anything on Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 he said it in the pre city game presser he was asked about him being linked with everton and arsenal. He said he would not talk about individual clubs but stated he is ambitious. when asked if he would be at saints next season, he said yes as he has 1 year left on his new deal he went on to say that discussions about the coming season has taken place regarding the club but no talks on a new deal. He did add that there is still plenty of time for that So that was 6 days ago, not "literally a couple of days ago". A week is a long time in politics, it is an even longer time in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Bottom line is he has won nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I wonder the same thing. I get the impression (perhaps wrongly) that Ron has little to do with the academy. If Les contrasts that with Poch's attitude he may feel disappointed by that side of Ron's management. Thing is, if Ron says they aren't good enough and the first team's results are going well, what can Les say? Perhaps the next manager after Ron will be expected to be more hands on with the youngsters. Yeah this is how I see it. There is likely tension but Whilst the 1st team results are going his way Ron has latitude to get away with his reticence in regards the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I'd prefer it if our DOF was bigging up our own manager in the press rather than sucking off a **** who jumped ship at the first opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Bottom line is he has won nothing. He will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger says discussions are progressing over a new contract for manager Ronald Koeman. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36045596 guys.... guys.... guys.....this article is 3 weeks old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I'd prefer it if our DOF was bigging up our own manager in the press rather than sucking off a **** who jumped ship at the first opportunity. Although it's about Poch, I think the article bathes Saints in a particularly bright and positive light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Although it's about Poch, I think the article bathes Saints in a particularly bright and positive light. Sure does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 I noticed the little column in The S*n yesterday claiming Les Reed must have memory problems as Pochettino signing was all down to a certain Nicola Cortese apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 He will. But until then, he has won nothing. He wont get a better chance to win the Premiership but was outdone by the mighty Leicester. The big four will be much stronger next season. He wont win the CL so his best chance is winning a cup, but he tends to flunk cups as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 May, 2016 Share Posted 8 May, 2016 From Twitter: Poch's last 10 games of the season: 15/16 - W4 D3 L3; 14/15 - W4 D2 L4; 13/14 - W5 D2 L3; 12/13 W3 D5 L2; 11/12 - W1 D3 L6 10/11 - W2 D3 L5 His teams burnout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 From Twitter: Poch's last 10 games of the season: 15/16 - W4 D3 L3; 14/15 - W4 D2 L4; 13/14 - W5 D2 L3; 12/13 W3 D5 L2; 11/12 - W1 D3 L6 10/11 - W2 D3 L5 His teams burnout No one wanted to discuss but even more evidence after today. The messiah my arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 The way he asks his teams to play seems to be flawed. They run out of steam, they occasionally become one dimensional and their discipline is questionable. Other than that, he's a messiah! Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Just let me say this... LOL @ Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Levy desperately checking that poch has signed the new contract....hoping he might have forgotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Loch the saviour finishea with 2 points less than AVB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Spurs and West Ham fans having a tough end to the season just makes it better! Apparently Wenger fist pumped when someone in the crowd told him Spurs were 4-1 down! He must have been relieved too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 May, 2016 Share Posted 15 May, 2016 Spurs and West Ham fans having a tough end to the season just makes it better! Apparently Wenger fist pumped when someone in the crowd told him Spurs were 4-1 down! He must have been relieved too. To be fair second is not a bad season, it's hasn't that they haven't actually won anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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