Redslo Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 (edited) Players are unlikely to always accept 5+ year contracts although we did do it for VVD I think. We could be more pro-active perhaps, from the outside looking in anyway. As soon as it's obvious that a player is good enough and valuable, I think we should be looking to do what we can to offer some improved terms and get at least another years commitment... before the circus of the transfer window comes around. Spurs signed Deli Ali to a new contract 3-4 months into this season when it was apparent what a good and important player he was for the team. Of course it doesn't provide any guarantee but does put the club in a much stronger position against players, agents and other clubs. This is a good point. We should have done that with Clyne. For that matter, the prior management did sign a bunch of players to long term contracts in the second half of 2012-2013 and that came in handy when some of them wanted to leave. Btw, sorry about the multiple posts, I normally would have done one longer post, but the last two times I was working on one, my cat stepped on the keyboard and somehow deleted everything. Edited 5 May, 2016 by Redslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 so why did we not sell big vic in the summer then? My guess would be because we had just sold Morgan, and despite what people think, the board aren't stupid enough sell of all our experienced DMs in one go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 the quality of player you buy/sell/pay has a big impact on your ambitions do you think pompey have european ambitions more so or equal to us? if not, why? I remember very clearly you saying back in August how Leicester City's quality of player had a big impact on their ambitions. As you tokd us, Saints, meanwhile had established their place in the pecking order with our "natural rivals" West Brom and Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I remember very clearly you saying back in August how Leicester City's quality of player had a big impact on their ambitions. As you tokd us, Saints, meanwhile had established their place in the pecking order with our "natural rivals" West Brom and Bournemouth. was that when you said that a club like saints could never ever achieve top 4. doing so would make you a dripping mong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 was that when you said that a club like saints could never ever achieve top 4. doing so would make you a dripping mong? You can make stuff up that I've said if you like, you're welcome to. The difference is you did say that Bournemouth and West Brom are our natural rivals now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 was that when you said that a club like saints could never ever achieve top 4. doing so would make you a dripping mong? Ha I love the way people who have *****ed and moaned about saints not investing and showing no ambition last summer are now holding up Leicester as a shinning example of what we could have achieved.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I think frank de boer would be the best choice if koeman decides to leave. Would be a nice continuation of what we have been building and like ronald a big name manager who players would love to play for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 (edited) Ha I love the way people who have *****ed and moaned about saints not investing and showing no ambition last summer are now holding up Leicester as a shinning example of what we could have achieved.....�� You're a tad confused. If anything the joke is on those (like you I suspect) who suggested that CL football would "never ever" happen without Man Cityesque spending and/or financial recklessness. If anything, those who have supposedly "*****ed and moaned" are fundamentally closer to the "Leicester example" for suggesting that a challenge could be mounted without doing anything close to a Man City, provided other conditions were in place. So no there isn't any inconsistency -and certainly not one relative to the "never ever" crowd. I notice of late youve been a bit antsy and flustered on here. Systematically dredging up old threads is often a leading indicator of a looming meltdown. Everything alright, pal? Edited 5 May, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 You're a tad confused. If anything the joke is on those (like you I suspect) who suggested that CL football would "never ever" happen without Man Cityesque spending and/or financial recklessness. If anything, those who have supposedly "*****ed and moaned" are fundamentally closer to the "Leicester example" for suggesting that a challenge could be mounted without doing anything close to a Man City, provided other conditions were in place. So no there isn't any inconsistency -and certainly not one relative to the "never ever" crowd. I notice of late youve been a bit antsy and flustered on here. Systematically dredging up old threads is often a leading indicator of a looming meltdown. Everything alright, pal? Lol your full of carp no one ever said saints couldn't make a champions league spot as a one off. There's a big difference between what Leicester have done a being a champions league club.......lets see them do it for a few years in a row. Clearly you are confused though as you constantly bang on about net spend, lack of investment and poor quality replacements. Yet now hold up Leicester up as an example of what saints can do knowing full well you'd of wet the bed if we had signed the sort of players Leicester had signed recently. No ansty from me lm happy to see the club finish a third season top eight in the country despite the predictions of doom. Personally think the club are doing pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Righto. Now it was never in doubt that saints could make champions league. The rules are now that we could never sustain it. Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Lol your full of carp no one ever said saints couldn't make a champions league spot as a one off. There's a big difference between what Leicester have done a being a champions league club.......lets see them do it for a few years in a row. Clearly you are confused though as you constantly bang on about net spend, lack of investment and poor quality replacements. Yet now hold up Leicester up as an example of what saints can do knowing full well you'd of wet the bed if we had signed the sort of players Leicester had signed recently. No ansty from me lm happy to see the club finish a third season top eight in the country despite the predictions of doom. Personally think the club are doing pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Would be an excellent replacement IMO, think he's a quality manager and will go on to top things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 You gotta love the helmetry on here. Brilliant reading that despite over the last 7 years not recalling a single person ever saying saints could never make the champions league it's become FACT that many people did state this. Even Jamie/Brett is at despite spending the last 20,000 posts writing off our chances of ever achieving anything of the levels of his fantasy clubs Such as Stoke/Everton/Watford and so on. The fact that Leicester have achieved what has been dubbed in some quarters as the greatest sporting fairy tale of all time means that now this is the norm and anyone can do it. In a season which many have said we have never seen before or will again. A season where all the big clubs have hugely underachieved at the same time as all their stars have aligned at once. Still in the greatest sporting fairly tale of all time and being the first club outside of the top 5 or 6 big boys make the champions league in the last 30 years means all those that said saints couldn't do it were wrong. But hey, we still haven't done it and no one ever said we couldn't. Well done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 You gotta love the helmetry on here. Brilliant reading that despite over the last 7 years not recalling a single person ever saying saints could never make the champions league it's become FACT that many people did state this. Even Jamie/Brett is at despite spending the last 20,000 posts writing off our chances of ever achieving anything of the levels of his fantasy clubs Such as Stoke/Everton/Watford and so on. The fact that Leicester have achieved what has been dubbed in some quarters as the greatest sporting fairy tale of all time means that now this is the norm and anyone can do it. In a season which many have said we have never seen before or will again. A season where all the big clubs have hugely underachieved at the same time as all their stars have aligned at once. Still in the greatest sporting fairly tale of all time and being the first club outside of the top 5 or 6 big boys make the champions league in the last 30 years means all those that said saints couldn't do it were wrong. But hey, we still haven't done it and no one ever said we couldn't. Well done though. I was going to reply to helmet one or two above but you saved me some time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Righto. Now it was never in doubt that saints could make champions league. The rules are now that we could never sustain it. Gotcha We all still wish we were Stoke or Palace or Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I was going to reply to helmet one or two above but you saved me some time.... Nice try pal. More turns and pirouettes than torvill and dean in their prime. #neverever but maybe sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I'd be happy with Howe, as long as we knew the reasons for his failing at Burnley and why it would be different here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 We will be selling players the year before we sign them soon. Mane's value peaked last season not this, he has been very low key this season, and I really don't see any big clubs, who may have genuinely been interested last season, coming in for him now. Man U for sure will not be after him, IMHO, they have bigger fish to fry. To me its not a given that he will be gone this summer. This. He has tried hard, but by and large almost nothing has come off for him leading to a poor season overall. Other clubs will still be interested in him, but will they be those that can afford what we'd want for him and also in a position to give him the increase in wage that would turn his head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 (edited) Nice try pal. More turns and pirouettes than torvill and dean in their prime. #neverever but maybe sometimes #you'remoreconfusedthanaladyboy Look I realise this is a big moment for you think you've finally got one over on the likes of Turkish and CB. You're finally the Conan the barbarian of internet warriors you've always wanted to be and I don't want to be the one to spoil the fantasy for you.... Edited 5 May, 2016 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 Strawlock playing an absolute blinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I'd be happy with Howe, as long as we knew the reasons for his failing at Burnley and why it would be different here. He did not fail at Burnley. Talking to a Burnley fan through work and he said Howe had started to turn things round well up there and had them playing some good football on the deck, a refreshing change. He left for personal reasons. When he returned to Turf Moor with AFCB he was given a warm welcome, hardly something they would have done for someone regarded a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I refer you to the post of Florida Marlin (who has excellent connections) on another thread which indicates Howe did not "refuse" our offer The reason Howe was meh! at Burnley was domestic. His wife hated t'north, and didn't move up there. Howe is a big family man and perhaps his heart wasn't totally in it (which maybe doesn't speak volumes for his professionalism). There would be no such issues if he came here. For all his love of Bournemouth, my understanding is that he would jump at the chance to come here, and the myth that he previously turned us down can be discounted. At the time the myth 'he turned us down' was being created, he was actually being touted and offered to us by Eddie Mitchell who was desperate for the cash. We, in fact, spurned Mitchell's advances and said ' no thanks' and the myth that Howe turned us down was created as a bit of face-saving on Mitchell's part. I dunno about that, I heard from a very good source that he was interviewed and decided he didn't want it because Cortese wouldn't give him full control of the footballing side. This was before anything got in the media via Mitchell. I'm not sure if he was actually offered anything, just that he spoke and didn't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I didn't say it was a strategy, just the reality of the situation. If a player doesn't want to sign a new contract then it makes sense for the club to get as much as they can and reinvest in new players. No it doesn't make sense actually ...... If it's an accumulation of money you are interested in let's sell them all and go with under 21s next year!!! Rediculous idea to sell your best players off. If you want success you hold on to your assets and build on them.... Your strategy would get us relegated eventually.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 I dunno about that, I heard from a very good source that he was interviewed and decided he didn't want it because Cortese wouldn't give him full control of the footballing side. This was before anything got in the media via Mitchell. I'm not sure if he was actually offered anything, just that he spoke and didn't want it. I suspect that nearer the truth is the possibility that he was interviewed but not offered anything as Adkins was the preferred option. These things tend to take on a life of their own after a while. Some Exeter fans maintain Tisdale declined the job before Pardew was offered it, but story I heard was just that he was invited to be interviewed and considered but declined that. Somewhat different to ever being offered the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 I don't think Howe would be the right move, we need to someone who players want to come and play for which, in a world where all clubs have the money, is becoming increasingly important. Poch was an ex-Arg international Koeman even better pedigree Eddie Howe is just, er, Eddie Howe............foreign players might pronounce it Who Suggesting Howe is as about as ambitious as those who think Nigel Pearson would also be a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 I don't think Howe would be the right move, we need to someone who players want to come and play for which, in a world where all clubs have the money, is becoming increasingly important. Poch was an ex-Arg international Koeman even better pedigree Eddie Howe is just, er, Eddie Howe............foreign players might pronounce it Who Suggesting Howe is as about as ambitious as those who think Nigel Pearson would also be a good move.who do you think is going to sign for us, Messi? Our clubs philosophy is to find unpolished diamonds and make them shine. Players will join as we are top half PL and know if they do well we will sell them to a better club. Howe also finds players from the lower English leagues something that needs tapping. IMO Howe would be a great choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 No it doesn't make sense actually ...... If it's an accumulation of money you are interested in let's sell them all and go with under 21s next year!!! Rediculous idea to sell your best players off. If you want success you hold on to your assets and build on them.... Your strategy would get us relegated eventually.. Did you not read the final 5 words of MLG's post? of course hold onto your best assets wherever possible i.e. Schneiderlin in summer 2014 and VW last summer, but if not possible sell players who don't want to be here and reinvest in replacements who you believe will be as good or better. We've been pretty good at it for the last three years and at no time have we pursued a strategy of accumulation of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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