ToreSF Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 It's been reported that we're considering Howe as a replacement for RK. Would he come here? He refused our offer after Pardew was sacked, but times has changed since then. Good manager IMO. Seems to be attached to the South coast aswell, so we might keep him if we get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Do we not already have a manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Reported where? I read that he never refused our offer back then. We went for Adkins instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Reported where? I read that he never refused our offer back then. We went for Adkins instead http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-worry-ronald-koeman-doesnt-7890005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-worry-ronald-koeman-doesnt-7890005 cheers I'd like Howe here if/when Ron was to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 cheers I'd like Howe here if/when Ron was to leave Nah, Martinez or Hughes or Pardew surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Personally think we can do better. He and Bournemouth are a good fit, he was pretty average at Burnley, and I think Saints is to big a job for him. Given the clubs aims to try and secure regular European football I would expect they would be looking for some one with experience in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 4 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2016 For this and next season, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Personally think we can do better. He and Bournemouth are a good fit, he was pretty average at Burnley, and I think Saints is to big a job for him. Given the clubs aims to try and secure regular European football I would expect they would be looking for some one with experience in that area. if the club are properly serious about Europe. Mane simply will not be sold this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 if the club are properly serious about Europe. Mane simply will not be sold this summer. Don't see it like that (semi)regular European football is probably the next five year plan that the club are selling to Koeman. Mane isn't going to be here in five years (in fact most of the current squad won't be) I think it is longer term than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 if the club are properly serious about Europe. Mane simply will not be sold this summer. so Mane goes we take that as we are not interested in europe...one player.... Will that be your "stick" to bash the club with if he does leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Would be a huge step backwards.....both on the field,and off it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 so Mane goes we take that as we are not interested in europe...one player.... Will that be your "stick" to bash the club with if he does leave? why do we have to sell one of our best players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 why do we have to sell one of our best players? He has 2 years left on his contract. He probably won't sign a new one and this summer will see his value at its peak. If we don't sell him in the summer his value will start dropping and it'll end in another Clyne situation where he sold will a year left on his contract cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Personally think we can do better. He and Bournemouth are a good fit, he was pretty average at Burnley, and I think Saints is to big a job for him. Given the clubs aims to try and secure regular European football I would expect they would be looking for some one with experience in that area. Agree completely. At the likes of Bournemouth (where don't forget, he's had a very solid transfer budget to work with), he's done well-ish in his first season similarly to the way we did in ours; by being capable of beating more-or-less anyone in the league on your day (Chelsea/United etc.) and so, even if not particularly consistent, being able to at least conceivably take points from most every game in the league. The downside is that his Bournemouth side managed to lose at home to the likes of Villa and Newcastle and have generally been very, very inconsistent with a fairly hopeless defence and a spine of the team that buckles very easily under pressure and ships goals for fun when things are going wrong. Granted, they're a promoted team but we need a manager who can build something stable and sustainable over a 38 game season if we seriously want to finish top 6/7 - not a maniac (speaking purely tactics-wise of course) like Howe or Martinez who might have their moments but are going to drop points left, right and centre throughout the season. if the club are properly serious about Europe. Mane simply will not be sold this summer. Agree again. Trouble is that I don't think the club are 'properly serious' about Europe by any stretch and so I'm completely resigned to losing him - which would be immeasurably frustrating given that he's got two seasons left on his contract after this one - and quite capable of scoring 20-25 goals next season which would likely offset any transfer value lost from the extra year given the competition for his signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 why do we have to sell one of our best players? Cos he'll want to go to a club that will pay him 2-3 times what we are and will offer us stupid money for his services, which we'll take as per previous deals and re-invest in players off most clubs' radars and make a tidy profit...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 It's been reported that we're considering Howe as a replacement for RK. Would he come here? He refused our offer after Pardew was sacked, but times has changed since then. Good manager IMO. Seems to be attached to the South coast aswell, so we might keep him if we get him. He didn't refuse our offer. We overlooked him and he got very salty to the local media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 It's been reported that we're considering Howe as a replacement for RK. Would he come here? He refused our offer after Pardew was sacked, but times has changed since then. Good manager IMO. Seems to be attached to the South coast aswell, so we might keep him if we get him. I refer you to the post of Florida Marlin (who has excellent connections) on another thread which indicates Howe did not "refuse" our offer The reason Howe was meh! at Burnley was domestic. His wife hated t'north, and didn't move up there. Howe is a big family man and perhaps his heart wasn't totally in it (which maybe doesn't speak volumes for his professionalism). There would be no such issues if he came here. For all his love of Bournemouth, my understanding is that he would jump at the chance to come here, and the myth that he previously turned us down can be discounted. At the time the myth 'he turned us down' was being created, he was actually being touted and offered to us by Eddie Mitchell who was desperate for the cash. We, in fact, spurned Mitchell's advances and said ' no thanks' and the myth that Howe turned us down was created as a bit of face-saving on Mitchell's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 He has 2 years left on his contract. He probably won't sign a new one and this summer will see his value at its peak. If we don't sell him in the summer his value will start dropping and it'll end in another Clyne situation where he sold will a year left on his contract cheaply. So now the strategy is to sell players when they have two years left on their contract to maximise their value? You'll be conjuring up some rationalisation why we should be selling players even earlier next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Agree completely. At the likes of Bournemouth (where don't forget, he's had a very solid transfer budget to work with), he's done well-ish in his first season similarly to the way we did in ours; by being capable of beating more-or-less anyone in the league on your day (Chelsea/United etc.) and so, even if not particularly consistent, being able to at least conceivably take points from most every game in the league. The downside is that his Bournemouth side managed to lose at home to the likes of Villa and Newcastle and have generally been very, very inconsistent with a fairly hopeless defence and a spine of the team that buckles very easily under pressure and ships goals for fun when things are going wrong. Granted, they're a promoted team but we need a manager who can build something stable and sustainable over a 38 game season if we seriously want to finish top 6/7 - not a maniac (speaking purely tactics-wise of course) like Howe or Martinez who might have their moments but are going to drop points left, right and centre throughout the season. Agree again. Trouble is that I don't think the club are 'properly serious' about Europe by any stretch and so I'm completely resigned to losing him - which would be immeasurably frustrating given that he's got two seasons left on his contract after this one - and quite capable of scoring 20-25 goals next season which would likely offset any transfer value lost from the extra year given the competition for his signature. Far too inconsistent for this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 So now the strategy is to sell players when they have two years left on their contract to maximise their value? You'll be conjuring up some rationalisation why we should be selling players even earlier next. We will be selling players the year before we sign them soon. Mane's value peaked last season not this, he has been very low key this season, and I really don't see any big clubs, who may have genuinely been interested last season, coming in for him now. Man U for sure will not be after him, IMHO, they have bigger fish to fry. To me its not a given that he will be gone this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 So now the strategy is to sell players when they have two years left on their contract to maximise their value? You'll be conjuring up some rationalisation why we should be selling players even earlier next. I didn't say it was a strategy, just the reality of the situation. If a player doesn't want to sign a new contract then it makes sense for the club to get as much as they can and reinvest in new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I didn't say it was a strategy, just the reality of the situation. If a player doesn't want to sign a new contract then it makes sense for the club to get as much as they can and reinvest in new players. we should sell forster this summer too. maybe Bertrand with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 why do we have to sell one of our best players? Cos he'll want to go to a club that will pay him 2-3 times what we are and will offer us stupid money for his services, which we'll take as per previous deals and re-invest in players off most clubs' radars and make a tidy profit...... This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 we should sell forster this summer too. maybe Bertrand with him Yep as long as we keep Pelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 we should sell forster this summer too. maybe Bertrand with him I think Bertrand & Forster are far more likely to want to sign an extension than Mane. But even with them (in particular Forster) could go in the summer. Mane and his agent will know they could get a huge payday from one of Europe's elite. I don't see it as a big problem, Saints have shown they are very good in recruitment despite what some on this forum think. It isn't by luck or a fluke that you regularly make good signings, the systems and processes are in place at Saints that they will continue to recruit well. Yes, we'll have the occasional bad signing, but the good ones far outweigh the bad. If another employer offered you 2 or 3 times your current wage would you not be tempted Batman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 we should sell forster this summer too. maybe Bertrand with him What do you think our approach should be to players who do not want to sign a new contract at this club? Should we just let them run their contract down and leave on a free? Or do we try and get decent money for them so that we are able to adequately replace them, as they inevitably WILL leave if they aren't prepared to sign new deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 What do you think our approach should be to players who do not want to sign a new contract at this club? Should we just let them run their contract down and leave on a free? Or do we try and get decent money for them so that we are able to adequately replace them, as they inevitably WILL leave if they aren't prepared to sign new deals he wouldnt leave on a free if we kept him this summer. that is the point why is it a given that we will sell him? we never sold morgan when he wanted, nor vic...why is it we are bound to sell mane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 he wouldnt leave on a free if we kept him this summer. that is the point why is it a given that we will sell him? we never sold morgan when he wanted, nor vic...why is it we are bound to sell mane? How much do you think we will get for him this summer? How much next summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 How much do you think we will get for him this summer? How much next summer? I have no idea. but it will be more than we paid for him. We could have got more for him last summer than this, could have sold him then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I have no idea. but it will be more than we paid for him. We could have got more for him last summer than this, could have sold him then Should have sold Wanyama last summer and seriously consider selling Forster this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Should have sold Wanyama last summer and seriously consider selling Forster this summer. Wanyama is very important to us. A player like him is going to be hard to replace. I suspect he will leave, and I will be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 So now the strategy is to sell players when they have two years left on their contract to maximise their value? You'll be conjuring up some rationalisation why we should be selling players even earlier next. That's my thought too. At first it was sell with a year left on the contract, now it's two! If we are going to sell every player that delays to sign a contract extension with still two years left, we will be selling all the time. We typically offer 3 or 4 year contracts. If we want players to stay 5 to 7, then give long term contracts at the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 That's my thought too. At first it was sell with a year left on the contract, now it's two! If we are going to sell every player that delays to sign a contract extension with still two years left, we will be selling all the time. We typically offer 3 or 4 year contracts. If we want players to stay 5 to 7, then give long term contracts at the start. Players are unlikely to always accept 5+ year contracts although we did do it for VVD I think. We could be more pro-active perhaps, from the outside looking in anyway. As soon as it's obvious that a player is good enough and valuable, I think we should be looking to do what we can to offer some improved terms and get at least another years commitment... before the circus of the transfer window comes around. Spurs signed Deli Ali to a new contract 3-4 months into this season when it was apparent what a good and important player he was for the team. Of course it doesn't provide any guarantee but does put the club in a much stronger position against players, agents and other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 (edited) Players are unlikely to always accept 5+ year contracts although we did do it for VVD I think. We could be more pro-active perhaps, from the outside looking in anyway. As soon as it's obvious that a player is good enough and valuable, I think we should be looking to do what we can to offer some improved terms and get at least another years commitment... before the circus of the transfer window comes around. Spurs signed Deli Ali to a new contract 3-4 months into this season when it was apparent what a good and important player he was for the team. Of course it doesn't provide any guarantee but does put the club in a much stronger position against players, agents and other clubs. Come on, now, that suggestion, we were told, is simpleton mboard talk, dreamed up by bedroom chief executives. It has no place in the real world. Just like talk of CL football, for a team like Southampton, is dribbling pie in the sky stuff without Man Cityesque investment. Never ever going to happen. Edited 4 May, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Come on, now, that suggestion, we were told, is simpleton mboard talk, dreamed up by bedroom chief executives. It has no place in the real world. Just like talk of CL football, for a team like Southampton, is dribbling pie in the sky stuff without Man Cityesque investment. Never ever going to happen.Morphed into CB Fry I see. Not a pretty site I tell you, never ever will happen;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 So you'd turn down any fee offered then? Have you seriously learned nothing from the last few seasons? I'm sure if the club accept an offer for Pelle he will be apocalyptic with rage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Players are unlikely to always accept 5+ year contracts although we did do it for VVD I think. We could be more pro-active perhaps, from the outside looking in anyway. As soon as it's obvious that a player is good enough and valuable, I think we should be looking to do what we can to offer some improved terms and get at least another years commitment... before the circus of the transfer window comes around. Spurs signed Deli Ali to a new contract 3-4 months into this season when it was apparent what a good and important player he was for the team. Of course it doesn't provide any guarantee but does put the club in a much stronger position against players, agents and other clubs. Agree with that, look what west ham did with Payet when he started looking like he may be poached. I think part of the problem is we sell the club to the players as a stepping stone to bigger clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 if the club are properly serious about Europe. Mane simply will not be sold this summer. Don't see this at all. Selling any player has no bearing on how the club view European ambitions. You just might as well say that the club aren't properly serious about staying in the Premiership if they sell Mane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Don't see this at all. Selling any player has no bearing on how the club view European ambitions. You just might as well say that the club aren't properly serious about staying in the Premiership if they sell Mane. the quality of player you buy/sell/pay has a big impact on your ambitions do you think pompey have european ambitions more so or equal to us? if not, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I don't see it as a big problem, Saints have shown they are very good in recruitment despite what some on this forum think. It isn't by luck or a fluke that you regularly make good signings, the systems and processes are in place at Saints. Summer 2014 and previous absolutely. Mitchell's recruitment setup did very well. VVD aside (who we had identified previously) Wilson's tenure hasn't been much to applaud. Hopefully this summer sees better recruitment than last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 the quality of player you buy/sell/pay has a big impact on your ambitions do you think pompey have european ambitions more so or equal to us? if not, why? Why do fans take so much notice of what the press are saying particularly when they are not quality and just looking for story to fill their beans up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I thought this thread was about Eddie f*cking Howe. How stupid of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a Fan Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Yea, I was just thinking that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 so why did we not sell big vic in the summer then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Nah, Martinez or Hughes or Pardew surely What's wrong with Ranieri? Not well known, but could be worth a punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 good choice as we prepare for the relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 So now the strategy is to sell players when they have two years left on their contract to maximise their value? You'll be conjuring up some rationalisation why we should be selling players even earlier next. You make it sound like bizarre and otherwise unheard of approach to transfer dealings. It is, in fact, a perfectly normal thing to sell a player with high value when he has two years left on his contract if he will not re-sign. There are, of course, exceptions when the player is absolutely needed for one more year (Clyne and Wanyama) or when he makes enough of a jerk of himself to be sold earlier (Lovren and Lallana) but those situations are suboptimal. This doesn't apply to older or less valuable players who do not have the same kind of leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 we should sell forster this summer too. maybe Bertrand with him Both are possibilities if they will not sign new contracts--although players in their positions are not normally as expensive so there is less harm in waiting until the last year. With Forster, the real question is whether his professions of gratitude for the way the club took care of him during his injury are real enough to lead to his signing a new contract. With Bertrand, the question is whether he wants to get paid more at a bigger club to play less or has he been there and done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 5 May, 2016 Share Posted 5 May, 2016 That's my thought too. At first it was sell with a year left on the contract, now it's two! If we are going to sell every player that delays to sign a contract extension with still two years left, we will be selling all the time. We typically offer 3 or 4 year contracts. If we want players to stay 5 to 7, then give long term contracts at the start. Perhaps the reason why we offered out big summer signings five year contracts this past summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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