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He had a very positive image when he was here and is reputed to have done well. It can be argued that he inherited some good players and was fortunate in that the Academy was producing some exceptional talent but he had to be confident enough to give those young players their chances and add his own tactical style, such as the high press to the way the team played. Perhaps the fact that he refused to speak English to the media added to an air of mystery about him. His manner of leaving was disappointing but few would argue against the view that his period here was a continuation of the club's development.

At Tottenham, he continues to struggle with the language despite having lived in England now for what, 3 years? His image is not as clean cut as it was and it's almost as if the north London yobbo style, if it really exists, has affected him somehow. But he has continued what he did at Southampton, improving the performances of his team, bringing through young players and unless you count Alderweireld as a defection, he hasn't raided his previous club at a time when players were defecting to Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal.

But respect for him must now be tempered by the behaviour of his players in the Chelsea game and his own behaviour in that match. To see a manager on the pitch joining in a scuffle is highly distasteful. He may claim that he was trying to separate players but, if so, he chose to do that by confronting a Chelsea player, not by calming his own players down. In any case, the manager should not be on the pitch; discipline is a matter for the officials. And to do that in a match where he subsequently praised his players despite 9 yellow cards being shown to them indicated that he is not interested in encouraging proper behaviour. And lets remember this is after Tottenham player Delle Alli was banned for three matches for violent behaviour in the Europa match with Fiorentina.

 

In my opinion, I'm very glad Pochettino is not manager of Southampton, and not just because we have an excellent manager in Ronald, but because the Argentine is no longer fit for the Southampton Way.

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Over the top Prof. I can understand people not liking the way he left SFC for North London, but he did some great things for Saints during his time and managed an attractive style of Football. At Spurs he has overseen a complete cleaning out of a bloated Spurs and then taken them to a Champions League finish in his second season. I remember him coming on to the pitch in the aftermath of our game at Norwich when Boric saved a penalty - it was mostly about supporting his players - the other night it looked as though he was trying to diffuse the conflict not inflame it. He's a very good Football man and his star is bright; best to accept that and move on.

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Only skim read it so won't properly reply, but I will say he didn't "join in the scuffle" at all. He was clearly trying to seperate Rose and Willian.
He did join the scuffle. How many times has a manager run on th epitch in the Premier League this season?
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We need to more managers get involved in scuffles. not less.

 

Give me a Simeone over a Martinez any day

 

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Enjoyed the game too - a proper football match not the namby-pamby imitation netball that the modern game has become in the last decade. Good old 70s and 80s type of blood and thunder match with some lovely football thrown in too. Man's game and all that.

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Very odd post - his standing in the game as a manager has never been higher than right now.

 

Even after the game on Monday, pundits were falling over themselves to praise him.

 

He gets his team to play with an edge, most of them don't have any experience of the situation they were in and they lost it (hilariously for us, a very enjoyable watch). Don't see why Poch should be criticised for defending them afterwards though, although from what i saw he didnt particularly get drawn into it and most of his praise was about the'r season's efforts.

 

I'm sure he'll address it in private, but i have no problem with a manager publicly defending their players. Keep it in house, keep the players' respect.

 

Also, his English is fine. A little dis-jointed on the odd occasion but perfectly clear and understandable.

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He had a very positive image when he was here and is reputed to have done well. It can be argued that he inherited some good players and was fortunate in that the Academy was producing some exceptional talent but he had to be confident enough to give those young players their chances and add his own tactical style, such as the high press to the way the team played. Perhaps the fact that he refused to speak English to the media added to an air of mystery about him. His manner of leaving was disappointing but few would argue against the view that his period here was a continuation of the club's development.

At Tottenham, he continues to struggle with the language despite having lived in England now for what, 3 years? His image is not as clean cut as it was and it's almost as if the north London yobbo style, if it really exists, has affected him somehow. But he has continued what he did at Southampton, improving the performances of his team, bringing through young players and unless you count Alderweireld as a defection, he hasn't raided his previous club at a time when players were defecting to Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal.

But respect for him must now be tempered by the behaviour of his players in the Chelsea game and his own behaviour in that match. To see a manager on the pitch joining in a scuffle is highly distasteful. He may claim that he was trying to separate players but, if so, he chose to do that by confronting a Chelsea player, not by calming his own players down. In any case, the manager should not be on the pitch; discipline is a matter for the officials. And to do that in a match where he subsequently praised his players despite 9 yellow cards being shown to them indicated that he is not interested in encouraging proper behaviour. And lets remember this is after Tottenham player Delle Alli was banned for three matches for violent behaviour in the Europa match with Fiorentina.

 

In my opinion, I'm very glad Pochettino is not manager of Southampton, and not just because we have an excellent manager in Ronald, but because the Argentine is no longer fit for the Southampton Way.

 

do you really think the manager tells players to punch other players?

Id have him back over RK anyday, he' the best manager since the early days of Mouriniho.

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Poch is a brilliant manager and coach who has persevered and is getting what he wants from the Spurs players who chose to stay. It took longer at Tottenham to win them over but job done. However, whilst you can take the guy out of Argentina....

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#noplanb
Plan B nonsense. If you are good you dont need plan B. The problem is that most clubs see Plan A is hoofing it to the big centre forward and Plan B is hoofing it to the big centre forward and also the centre half
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that will be the very same reason Ron will leave
I think so as well. Although some thrive on the change, you only have to see what Simeone achieves at Athletico.

If Saints were top of the league at Xmas and we were offered a fantastic price for our best player we would sell, Im sure of that. We have been programmed to believe finishing 7th 8th or 9th being a fantastic achievement and so selling if more acceptable. I do understand it is hard for us to keep the best, but we shouldnt get bitter when a manager does not wish to see his work constantly being undermined. I suspect Levy ( i dislike greatly) will back him more than he would get here

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Plan B nonsense. If you are good you dont need plan B. The problem is that most clubs see Plan A is hoofing it to the big centre forward and Plan B is hoofing it to the big centre forward and also the centre half

 

Or stick JWP on.

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I think so as well. Although some thrive on the change, you only have to see what Simeone achieves at Athletico.

If Saints were top of the league at Xmas and we were offered a fantastic price for our best player we would sell, Im sure of that. We have been programmed to believe finishing 7th 8th or 9th being a fantastic achievement and so selling if more acceptable. I do understand it is hard for us to keep the best, but we shouldnt get bitter when a manager does not wish to see his work constantly being undermined. I suspect Levy ( i dislike greatly) will back him more than he would get here

 

I had a Dell-sized mentality like CB Fry. Thankfully, both of us no longer have it

 

seriously, I agree. Just look around here, it is a given that we will sell Mane this summer. Why though?

why did we have to sell Lallana? Why do we seeminly have to sell Mane? We don't. Simple as that

 

Vic will leave so will Mane and no doubt someone unexpected will depart when we would be weaker if that was to happen

I read little bits now about Forster being 'linked' with Chelsea. So probably him and we will be told on here that we should be thankful for it and that only a mong can think we can achieve anything higher than 6th

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Never warmed to him as a person but he is a decent coach if he ever wins anything he will become a very good coach. Still think he is a **** for the way he left us though. I don't have a problem with players and mangers leaving for bigger things but there is a right way and wrong way to do it.

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Nothing has happened to him, yes I hold a grudge over the way he left BUT, if it wasn't for him, I don't think we would have attracted the fees that were given to us for the 5 players- don't think Adkins would have anyways.

Top quality manager- and as for the plan B- surely one can only have a plan B if he has the resources available- in the 2013/14 season lets face it- we only had a core of about 14/15 players capable of playing at a high level- plus it didn't help having Boruc out for a fair bit- the two Spurs game ring to mind that season- we lost both 3-2 didn't we? The home one hurted when we had Fox and Hooiveld

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I had a Dell-sized mentality like CB Fry. Thankfully, both of us no longer have it

 

seriously, I agree. Just look around here, it is a given that we will sell Mane this summer. Why though?

why did we have to sell Lallana? Why do we seeminly have to sell Mane? We don't. Simple as that

 

Vic will leave so will Mane and no doubt someone unexpected will depart when we would be weaker if that was to happen

I read little bits now about Forster being 'linked' with Chelsea. So probably him and we will be told on here that we should be thankful for it and that only a mong can think we can achieve anything higher than 6th

 

Good post, Batman. Some might still try to ridicule you for being ambitious, but after what Leicester have achieved this season, it's getting harder for the naysayers to do that. If we had invested in keeping Lallana, Schneiderlin and Clyne and if we invest in keeping Forster, Mane and Wanyama, which admittedly won't be cheap, good managers will want to stay at the club and we will win trophies. With the amount the club has coming in next year, there will still be money to spare.

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He had a very positive image when he was here and is reputed to have done well. It can be argued that he inherited some good players and was fortunate in that the Academy was producing some exceptional talent but he had to be confident enough to give those young players their chances and add his own tactical style, such as the high press to the way the team played. Perhaps the fact that he refused to speak English to the media added to an air of mystery about him. His manner of leaving was disappointing but few would argue against the view that his period here was a continuation of the club's development.

At Tottenham, he continues to struggle with the language despite having lived in England now for what, 3 years? His image is not as clean cut as it was and it's almost as if the north London yobbo style, if it really exists, has affected him somehow. But he has continued what he did at Southampton, improving the performances of his team, bringing through young players and unless you count Alderweireld as a defection, he hasn't raided his previous club at a time when players were defecting to Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal.

But respect for him must now be tempered by the behaviour of his players in the Chelsea game and his own behaviour in that match. To see a manager on the pitch joining in a scuffle is highly distasteful. He may claim that he was trying to separate players but, if so, he chose to do that by confronting a Chelsea player, not by calming his own players down. In any case, the manager should not be on the pitch; discipline is a matter for the officials. And to do that in a match where he subsequently praised his players despite 9 yellow cards being shown to them indicated that he is not interested in encouraging proper behaviour. And lets remember this is after Tottenham player Delle Alli was banned for three matches for violent behaviour in the Europa match with Fiorentina.

 

In my opinion, I'm very glad Pochettino is not manager of Southampton, and not just because we have an excellent manager in Ronald, but because the Argentine is no longer fit for the Southampton Way.

 

He's a winner in other words.... Disagree with all of that frankly...

Would have him back in a flash... Most top teams would also have him if they could...

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Once they have proven their worth to us, which they have, pay them the salaries that Spurs and Liverpool would pay them (in spite of all the money they also have to spend on new stadium development). The cynics, and I assume you are one, Verbal Kint, always tell us they only leave to get bigger salaries. If we are to build a team and a club, it's better to spend money on keeping the good players here than on speculating on a bunch or new players who may be nowhere near as good, and who will take half a season at least to settle in.

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Once they have proven their worth to us, which they have, pay them the salaries that Spurs and Liverpool would pay them (in spite of all the money they also have to spend on new stadium development). The cynics, and I assume you are one, Verbal Kint, always tell us they only leave to get bigger salaries. If we are to build a team and a club, it's better to spend money on keeping the good players here than on speculating on a bunch or new players who may be nowhere near as good, and who will take half a season at least to settle in.

 

can we actually offer the same wages as spurs or Liverpool under FFP....

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I'm not sorry spurs lost out on the title. And it was a bit galling to see poch leave, but we all seem to be forgetting that he told us if cortese left there would be no point in him staying. He stayed until the end of the season and gave us time to pick out a replacement. He was always corteses man, and seemed to view him as central to the project.

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Once they have proven their worth to us, which they have, pay them the salaries that Spurs and Liverpool would pay them (in spite of all the money they also have to spend on new stadium development). The cynics, and I assume you are one, Verbal Kint, always tell us they only leave to get bigger salaries. If we are to build a team and a club, it's better to spend money on keeping the good players here than on speculating on a bunch or new players who may be nowhere near as good, and who will take half a season at least to settle in.

 

Money isn't always the only reason, but when it is significant there are only a few clubs in the Prem who can pay more than us - and those are the ones that Lallana, Schneiderlin, Ox-Cham, Chambers, Lovren and Clyne went to, along with City and Chelsea. We simply can't compete with the salaries that those big clubs offer so if a player wants to go for money he can engineer a move by going on strike / throwing a tantrum, or refusing to sign a contract extension. Your plan of spending the transfer budget on increased wages is simplistic given our net spend over the last few windows has been virtually nil.

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Over the top Prof. I can understand people not liking the way he left SFC for North London, but he did some great things for Saints during his time and managed an attractive style of Football. At Spurs he has overseen a complete cleaning out of a bloated Spurs and then taken them to a Champions League finish in his second season. I remember him coming on to the pitch in the aftermath of our game at Norwich when Boric saved a penalty - it was mostly about supporting his players - the other night it looked as though he was trying to diffuse the conflict not inflame it. He's a very good Football man and his star is bright; best to accept that and move on.

 

Spot on. We should be proud of our system that we had faith in a manager who was out of work at the time we hired him. but now is rated very highly and potentially in line for some top jobs in the next few years

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Good post, Batman. Some might still try to ridicule you for being ambitious, but after what Leicester have achieved this season, it's getting harder for the naysayers to do that. If we had invested in keeping Lallana, Schneiderlin and Clyne and if we invest in keeping Forster, Mane and Wanyama, which admittedly won't be cheap, good managers will want to stay at the club and we will win trophies. With the amount the club has coming in next year, there will still be money to spare.

 

I spent 20 minutes typing a detailed intelligent response to this (and other) posts. My cat then stepped on the keyboard and somehow deleted it. I am not going to type it again but I mostly disagree with you. We cannot know if the board is doing something wrong because we don't have the necessary inside information. That being said I do think the board made a mistake letting Cork go and made a mistake if they did not try to sign Clyne to a long term contract in summer 2014 before he was the starting English right back.

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Good post, Batman. Some might still try to ridicule you for being ambitious, but after what Leicester have achieved this season, it's getting harder for the naysayers to do that. If we had invested in keeping Lallana, Schneiderlin and Clyne and if we invest in keeping Forster, Mane and Wanyama, which admittedly won't be cheap, good managers will want to stay at the club and we will win trophies. With the amount the club has coming in next year, there will still be money to spare.

 

All very well but if they don't want to stay what are the club going to do about it - the power is in the hands of the players.

 

Now I'm not saying that's right but it is a fact these days. You seem to think it's easy but unless you can come up with a reasonably workable solution it ain't gonna change. Just chucking money at it is not the answer just ask one of that lot down the road.

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I had a Dell-sized mentality like CB Fry. Thankfully, both of us no longer have it

 

seriously, I agree. Just look around here, it is a given that we will sell Mane this summer. Why though?

why did we have to sell Lallana? Why do we seeminly have to sell Mane? We don't. Simple as that

 

Vic will leave so will Mane and no doubt someone unexpected will depart when we would be weaker if that was to happen

I read little bits now about Forster being 'linked' with Chelsea. So probably him and we will be told on here that we should be thankful for it and that only a mong can think we can achieve anything higher than 6th

 

Or they could be constantly depressed like you expecting the worst to happen and bemoaning everything about the club. You winner you.

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He is a good manager and he obviously has Spurs playing well but is finishing 2nd in the prem that good. In a season when Leicester win it, Chelsea having a bizarrely bad season, Man city having a dip cos of the announcement of their manager going and Man U suffering cos of their dopey manager. Poch also has one of the best strikers in Europe at his disposal. If we had Kane we would have been finishing 2nd or 1st. Anyway the point is, if the usual 4 had not been out of sorts all season, it would have been another 5th or 6th finish for Spurs. Hell without Kane it would probably have been 9th.

 

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Thanks for posting. Very interesting to see what goes on behind the scenes from Les Reeds perspective.

It almost reads like a character reference for prospective employers of Poch!

The stuff about the academy makes me wonder if Ron is as hands on. I presume not or am I wrong?

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Plan B nonsense. If you are good you dont need plan B. The problem is that most clubs see Plan A is hoofing it to the big centre forward and Plan B is hoofing it to the big centre forward and also the centre half

 

I think this is nonsense, fwiw.

 

If you're good but the way in which you are good happens to play into the strengths of your opponents, you need at least one alternative. Pochettino's Bielsa-led style is always high-press and his use of it in England has been in a very specific formation, which doesn't allow a lot of flexibility if the opposition happens to be very good at switching play, or otherwise avoiding the press by shifting the ball quickly. It often seemed like Pochettino's Plan A was "high press" and his plan B was "have a break from high press for a second because we're knackered".

 

It certainly suits him being at Spurs and having the resources to pick two players for every position, and shrewd use of squad rotation with a second tier of nearly-as-good players has meant he avoided the two usual problems of fatigue from pressing and a disjointed team from rotation. They did look properly shattered second half against Chelsea though. :)

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Good post, Batman. Some might still try to ridicule you for being ambitious, but after what Leicester have achieved this season, it's getting harder for the naysayers to do that. If we had invested in keeping Lallana, Schneiderlin and Clyne and if we invest in keeping Forster, Mane and Wanyama, which admittedly won't be cheap, good managers will want to stay at the club and we will win trophies. With the amount the club has coming in next year, there will still be money to spare.

 

Leicester achieved what they did with a squad of players NO-ONE was trying to sign away from them.

 

"...but Leicester" does not mean everything has changed. It has just illustrated that effort and teamwork can beat quality and big wages, but only as long as the quality and big wages don't also have the effort and teamwork. It's also shown that you have to be bloody lucky to get away with having a small squad, but we found that out last season and the season before, and everyone will find it out again and for the forseeable future.

 

The fact everyone has more money is only beneficial to Saints' recruitment if we choose to hike up existing player wages or if we want to lure someone from outside the Premier League and no-one else who has the same money boost is interested. It'll just lead to wage inflation, again, but we are all going to see bigger European names selling players to smaller English clubs - and in that context we might be better off recruiting players who'll come for more than they'll get abroad but less than the English-based players are asking for.

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