Show me the mané Posted 27 April, 2016 Share Posted 27 April, 2016 What has happened since has suggested it was perfect timing for Saints. Pochettino inherited a good squad that Adkins had assembled and got more out of most of the players. This. Poch' attention to detail and precision when it comes to closing down, pressing and organisation is second to none in the EPL IMO. We also looked fitter under Poch. Pressing seems a thing of the past for us now although it is better now than it was at the start of the season strangely. Only downside with Poch is that he didn't really have a plan B when he was at saints, now he does. Lots of our players improved need him and although he was more demanding than Koeman the players seemed to love playing for him. I didn't notice any of the days off for the players that Ron hands out happening under him (although it seems Koeman himself likes a day off too). In response to the OP I would take Pellegrini or a young progressive thinking manager as others have eluded to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 27 April, 2016 Share Posted 27 April, 2016 Nigel Pearson did well for us when we were battling relegation in the Championship. We have moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 27 April, 2016 Share Posted 27 April, 2016 There are worrying opinions here on what coach/manager would work for us. We need to either keep Ronald or get a coach with dynamic ideas who wants to coach and develop players like Poch. One thing is for sure and that is if Ronald does leave, we should be able to get some of the best managers in the business outside the 'big' names attracted to work here, especially with the increase in revenue compared to other leagues and clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 27 April, 2016 Share Posted 27 April, 2016 Saints management will already have looked at options for if/when RK goes. Based on the last two appointments it will be done quickly and out of the media spotlight. Agree that we should be able to attract another good manager. Normally clubs sack a manager when they are in a mess. We just get ours poached by the big boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Pellegrini will go to Spurs when Poch moves to United. #fact* *very obviously not a fact and clearly made up in my mind. I guess it could happen though, like a lot of other things could happen. If Pellegrini wants to stay in the PL you could see a team like Everton flicking Martinez easily enough. Especially if they're getting some serious new backing from their major shareholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 I'd take Pearson back, as the fitness coach. He seems to have set up something special at Leicester in that regard, which has played no small part in their spectacular success this season. Pellegrini is out of our league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Koeman to tha Arse in today's papers along with Pelle to Lazio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Koeman to tha Arse in today's papers along with Pelle to Lazio. The Arsenal link has been mooted before but I wonder if RK has a succesful enough track record for their Board to be that keen. No doubt RK's dignified manner would be attraction to them (as opposed to the North London yobbo's track record with barrow boys and spivs) but is that enough ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice2Eskimos Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Koeman to tha Arse in today's papers along with Pelle to Lazio. Koeman is just not that stupid. Look at utd when Moyes tried to takeover from Ferguson after an eternity in charge. There were major ruptures and the fans expectations were through the roof and still are through the roof. Koeman is not going to leave us, where he's fully accepted, appreciated (by most fans) and go to Arse where it's entirely possible he could find himself out the door in under a year and his reputation in tatters, by fans revolt and media BS. If Ron is gonna leave, by the way, he's never once said he is, but if he's gonna leave, he's gonna leave but it won't be to arse. Absolute b*llocks that is. Pelle not too massively bothered about tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Koeman is just not that stupid. Look at utd when Moyes tried to takeover from Ferguson after an eternity in charge. There were major ruptures and the fans expectations were through the roof and still are through the roof. Koeman is not going to leave us, where he's fully accepted, appreciated (by most fans) and go to Arse where it's entirely possible he could find himself out the door in under a year and his reputation in tatters, by fans revolt and media BS. If Ron is gonna leave, by the way, he's never once said he is, but if he's gonna leave, he's gonna leave but it won't be to arse. Absolute b*llocks that is. Pelle not too massively bothered about tbh. Koeman would leave tomorrow if he was offered the Arsenal job and if he didn't would be mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Koeman to tha Arse in today's papers along with Pelle to Lazio. I think Ron is being honest when he says he'll honour his contract, but if he knows the board don't want him to go into his final year without some kind of contract extension, he also knows that he has a way out, one year early. He could refuse an extension, it will be the board who ask him to leave, his honour is intact. I have a feeling though that the board will go into his final year and spend that time looking for a replacement or trying to get an extension. Personally I'd prefer if they get it sorted this Summer - one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Wenger going no where for now .... he will see his final year of contract out. Still think that RK will be gone in summer though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Yep, and it was Adkins who was responsible for the fitness and pressing which was worked well for us in the prem before Poch turned up. Got rid too soon if you ask me. Looks like he might be available again soon. There is a huge, massive demonstration going on outside Bramall Lane right now... I'm not sure how he can survive this TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuma Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Before he joined Dortmund maybe. Now? Slim chance surely. New on the forum, what about Julen Loptegui formerly of Porto and Spanish U-21s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 I honestly would not mind Jorge Sampaoli- I think he would be more than an adequate replacement. But then again, am I just aspiring too high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuma Posted 28 April, 2016 Share Posted 28 April, 2016 Hi, new poster. With the squad available I'd say Pellegrini, Loptegui, Blanc (might be out of a job soon), Lucien Favre, Roger Schmidt,De Boer, Karanka and Howe. In that order. Pellegrini, Favre, Scmidt and Howe play 442, which is now back as a stable tactic, while the others favour 433 morphing to 4231. Schmidt in particular would be a BOLD choice, but one worth taking if you watch his Leverkusen side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 If Koeman left, a key question is whether his brother would go too. My friends in the Netherlands always insisted Erwin was the wiser, better manager, and may well be a big part of way things of gone well the last couple years. Just his brother's name recognition and playing record. I dunno how much he's loved being the invisible one here. Could we imagine a scenario where Ronald goes and Erwin stays?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 Nigel Pearson? Bloody hell, doesn't our ambition stretch a bit further than that joyless thug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 Alan Pardew to come back and finish what he started A season in the Championship? Nobody at the club would be stupid enough to bring Pardew back even though he'll be available in the next few months after Palace sack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 A season in the Championship? Nobody at the club would be stupid enough to bring Pardew back even though he'll be available in the next few months after Palace sack him. Surely not if he wins the FA cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 2 May, 2016 Share Posted 2 May, 2016 Jorge Sampaoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 Obviously I hope and expect that Koeman will stay but if he did go then personally I'd go for someone like Michel Preud'homme. He has an absolutely immense managerial record and has been hugely successful at just about every club he has managed. Other possibilities would be Murat Yakin or Senol Gunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 I would go for Van gaal or Pellgrini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portugalsaint Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 I thought they were talking to Murat Yakim just before they signed RK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 I thought they were talking to Murat Yakim just before they signed RK? He always seemed to be the second choice at the time. Such lovely hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 I would go for Van gaal or Pellgrini Pellegrini maybe. Wouldn't touch Van Gaal with a bargepole. Outdated tactics, zero charisma, zero connection with players and fans. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 I would go for Van gaal or Pellgrini Van gaal are you mental, he'd be one hell of a downgrade on Koeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-worry-ronald-koeman-doesnt-7890005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-worry-ronald-koeman-doesnt-7890005 tiresome repetitive crap form an ex daily echo sports journo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-worry-ronald-koeman-doesnt-7890005 Yawn - I could have put that together - no quotes etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 3 May, 2016 Share Posted 3 May, 2016 (edited) http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-worry-ronald-koeman-doesnt-7890005 Was listening to Talksport today (for my sins) and Piers Morgan was on talking about Arsenal and in particular Wenger. He reckons that he knows "for a fact" that there is a new 3 year contract awaiting Wenger. Okay, it's Piers Morgan, so take it all with a huge pinch of salt but it did make me think that if there is any truth in it and Wenger signs a new contract, that's a possible destination for RK gone in a year's time. As for Everton, if Martinez is for the chop it's a year too early for Ron if he intends to honour his contract. Edited 4 May, 2016 by Chalkboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I don't believe he'd consider Everton anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I honestly believe that if RK intended to stay beyond his 3 years then as with Pochetino positive contract talks would be near conclusion. Were Cortese still here I think RK would be given an ultimatum this summer. I hope the Board are already putting Plan B into operation and for me having Howe on our doorstep is a real opportunity that I hope is not lost due to Koeman's prevarication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I honestly believe that if RK intended to stay beyond his 3 years then as with Pochetino positive contract talks would be near conclusion. Were Cortese still here I think RK would be given an ultimatum this summer. I hope the Board are already putting Plan B into operation and for me having Howe on our doorstep is a real opportunity that I hope is not lost due to Koeman's prevarication. Nor sure what Cortese has to do with anything. As a club we've refused to let any player enter the last year of their contract and there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't do something similar with Koeman. Said it a few times now, but I am sure he will sign something this summer to knock out the speculation, but I still think he will complete 3 years and then leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I honestly believe that if RK intended to stay beyond his 3 years then as with Pochetino positive contract talks would be near conclusion. Were Cortese still here I think RK would be given an ultimatum this summer. I hope the Board are already putting Plan B into operation and for me having Howe on our doorstep is a real opportunity that I hope is not lost due to Koeman's prevarication. Don't think Howe would come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 whys that? money talks and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Nor sure what Cortese has to do with anything. As a club we've refused to let any player enter the last year of their contract and there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't do something similar with Koeman. Said it a few times now, but I am sure he will sign something this summer to knock out the speculation, but I still think he will complete 3 years and then leave. I was referring to Cortese's ruthlessness ie I think he might have swung the axe if indeed RK was just intending to see out his contract and not renewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I was referring to Cortese's ruthlessness ie I think he might have swung the axe if indeed RK was just intending to see out his contract and not renewing. I think that is an option available to the board but it won't get to that. We will not let him visibly enter his final year. A simple extension of a one-year rolling will be a compromise to suit everyone. He'll do three seasons and then gone. Personally I think that's fine - I don't think our structure is designed to fit a dynastic long-term managerial reign. Three years and then progress to the next one sounds sensible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 I honestly believe that if RK intended to stay beyond his 3 years then as with Pochetino positive contract talks would be near conclusion. Were Cortese still here I think RK would be given an ultimatum this summer. I hope the Board are already putting Plan B into operation and for me having Howe on our doorstep is a real opportunity that I hope is not lost due to Koeman's prevarication. What's the obsession with Howe? He was pretty meh with Burnley. He works well enough at Bournemouth but there he has a special relationship with the club. I think saints would be to big a job for him personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickierambert Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 What's the obsession with Howe? He was pretty meh with Burnley. He works well enough at Bournemouth but there he has a special relationship with the club. I think saints would be to big a job for him personally. This. I like him as a guy and a manager but I think he's in his comfort zone at Bournemouth. It's quite a mentality shift from aiming to stay up to aiming for top 6. Many managers (Allardyce a great example) just don't make that move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 This. I like him as a guy and a manager but I think he's in his comfort zone at Bournemouth. It's quite a mentality shift from aiming to stay up to aiming for top 6. Many managers (Allardyce a great example) just don't make that move Are we aiming for the top 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 What's the obsession with Howe? He was pretty meh with Burnley. He works well enough at Bournemouth but there he has a special relationship with the club. I think saints would be to big a job for him personally. What you say is true; but the scope for a smart, young manager (Howe) to take the next step in management is there. Look at Poch coming to the EPL with some moderate credentials from his time at Espanyol. I think we could/should look elsewhere if we have to but Howe looks to have something about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 The reason Howe was meh! at Burnley was domestic. His wife hated t'north, and didn't move up there. Howe is a big family man and perhaps his heart wasn't totally in it (which maybe doesn't speak volumes for his professionalism). There would be no such issues if he came here. For all his love of Bournemouth, my understanding is that he would jump at the chance to come here, and the myth that he previously turned us down can be discounted. At the time the myth 'he turned us down' was being created, he was actually being touted and offered to us by Eddie Mitchell who was desperate for the cash. We, in fact, spurned Mitchell's advances and said ' no thanks' and the myth that Howe turned us down was created as a bit of face-saving on Mitchell's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Eddie Howe will be ready for a new challenge after one more season at Bournemouth just in time for Koeman to finish here and to go to Arsenal, United or Barcelona. You heard it here first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Hi, new poster. With the squad available I'd say Pellegrini, Loptegui, Blanc (might be out of a job soon), Lucien Favre, Roger Schmidt,De Boer, Karanka and Howe. In that order. Pellegrini, Favre, Scmidt and Howe play 442, which is now back as a stable tactic, while the others favour 433 morphing to 4231. Schmidt in particular would be a BOLD choice, but one worth taking if you watch his Leverkusen side. Some great, if ambitious names there....Personally I think getting a name like Pellegrini would be a massive coup...a couple of years ago he was Madrid manager... I hope RK stays tho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Suggestions that Everton could be after Ronald. Is there any way that would be progress for him? Another club living in a dreamland based on the past. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Suggestions that Everton could be after Ronald. Is there any way that would be progress for him? Another club living in a dreamland based on the past. First time I've heard Liverpool be described as a "dreamland". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Do other clubs' fans constantly speculate about their managers and players leaving? I don't read other clubs' forums but I guess some of them must do. It seems a bit of a negative thing to do though. Admittedly our turnover of players and managers in recent years has been quite high. It would be nice to have a settled team and manager for a few years. Just when I get to like a manager or player, like Pochettino, Koeman, Lallana, Mane or Wanyama, and I can't be the only Saints fan who liked them, I get told it's time to start hating them because other clubs want them. I really hope that we can keep Koeman and our players. Why shouldn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Do other clubs' fans constantly speculate about their managers and players leaving? I don't read other clubs' forums but I guess some of them must do. It seems a bit of a negative thing to do though. Admittedly our turnover of players and managers in recent years has been quite high. It would be nice to have a settled team and manager for a few years. Just when I get to like a manager or player, like Pochettino, Koeman, Lallana, Mane or Wanyama, and I can't be the only Saints fan who liked them, I get told it's time to start hating them because other clubs want them. I really hope that we can keep Koeman and our players. Why shouldn't we? Might have something to with the players not wanting to stay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 4 May, 2016 Share Posted 4 May, 2016 Do other clubs' fans constantly speculate about their managers and players leaving? I don't read other clubs' forums but I guess some of them must do. It seems a bit of a negative thing to do though. Admittedly our turnover of players and managers in recent years has been quite high. It would be nice to have a settled team and manager for a few years. Just when I get to like a manager or player, like Pochettino, Koeman, Lallana, Mane or Wanyama, and I can't be the only Saints fan who liked them, I get told it's time to start hating them because other clubs want them. I really hope that we can keep Koeman and our players. Why shouldn't we? 1) don't pay enough for them to stay- either we aren't willing or capable 2) they are likely to achieve cl/win trophies elsewhere Simple, unless they have an affection for us, they will leave- let's be honest. If we want them to stay, we need to do something like WHU, offer a new contract within a few months, but it works both ways- they could lose motivation. Let us not pretend we are the only club to lose players, Bony went for £30m, Benteke £32m etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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