Shance Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Not saying anyone cares. Just stating a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Two away games, contrasting results. Scoring 4 away to villa but only scoring 1 away to Everton despite having a similar number of chances is telling IMO. The Everton defence, while not top notch is a big step up from Villa, and they gave use less time on the ball, marked closer, had a better shape etc. and under those conditions our strikers don't seem to finish as well. Hopefully a fit Austin and Jay Rod can be that extra clinical edge we need. Let's be honest, if were better in front of goal we'd have beaten Villa and Newcastle by a lot more, plus won comfortably at Everton. I like Long, his movement and work rate is excellent, but his first touch is not good enough (think the poor touch that fortunately fell to Pelle against Newcastle) and his finishing is not clinical enough, for example that first shot that hit the bar, he really should have scored and kept that down more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Who the f*ck cares??! Ref and the Lino didn't call it. You play to the ref. On this occasion it went in our favour. I'm more worried about the fact that we let in two goals against the poorest side in the PL this season. I care because had the lino been awake it would have been given offside and another chance wasted, on top of the other goal he had disallowed for offside. It doesn't matter with regards to yesterday's result but he would be lucky to get away with that a second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Just seen that longs goal was offside Ooooh No it wasn't. yes it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 I like Long, his movement and work rate is excellent, but his first touch is not good enough (think the poor touch that fortunately fell to Pelle against Newcastle) and his finishing is not clinical enough, for example that first shot that hit the bar, he really should have scored and kept that down more. That's why he's playing for us and not someone 'bigger'. Nice to see that, despite him exceeding expectations amid the howls of derision when we bought him, he still gets knocked by the knockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirral saint Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Can anyone please tell me the words to the Virgil song? We've got Van Dijk, Virgil Van Dijk, I just don't think you understand........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 He's super Slav's man, he's better than Zidane Oh wait that was the original We have crowbarred in that world renown CB Japp Stam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Well, since I've moved up to Birmingham in 2000, I've yet to witness a good game of football involving Saints against any of the Midlands teams, and that didn't change yesterday. The strangest atmosphere I've ever experienced in a ground seemed to lead to a poor performance from both the team and our fans. Longs finishing is infuriatingly inconsistent, Tadic hung Soares out to dry; you can get away with no defending if you're in the No. 10 position, but when you're playing right wing, you can't. The midfield managed to not track that goal machine Westwood, leading to their two goals. I was disappointed with our performances against Newcastle and Everton, and that was more of the same, so whilst I'm hoping for much improved levels against Man City and Spurs, I can't say that I'm that hopeflul they will materialise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 I was disappointed with our performances against Newcastle and Everton, and that was more of the same, so whilst I'm hoping for much improved levels against Man City and Spurs, I can't say that I'm that hopeflul they will materialise. Then I must say you have very high and very unrealistic expectations of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Well, since I've moved up to Birmingham in 2000, I've yet to witness a good game of football involving Saints against any of the Midlands teams, and that didn't change yesterday. The strangest atmosphere I've ever experienced in a ground seemed to lead to a poor performance from both the team and our fans. Longs finishing is infuriatingly inconsistent, Tadic hung Soares out to dry; you can get away with no defending if you're in the No. 10 position, but when you're playing right wing, you can't. The midfield managed to not track that goal machine Westwood, leading to their two goals. I was disappointed with our performances against Newcastle and Everton, and that was more of the same, so whilst I'm hoping for much improved levels against Man City and Spurs, I can't say that I'm that hopeflul they will materialise. Blimey winning not enough we have to win playing like Bayern Munich..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 No it wasn't. He was ahead of the ball and the last defender, how was it not offside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Can anyone please tell me the words to the Virgil song? We've got Van Dijk, Virgil Van Dijk, I just don't think you understand........... He's Ronald Koeman's man, He's better than Jaap Stam... We've decided to repeat the first line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way down south Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 his first goals of the season too,( no assists either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Saw the match on MORE after listening to the radio. Generally we won a match we should have won any way and made a hard job of it. Long played well upto the final touch and luckily didn't cost us and luckily again lino was asleep. Westwood goals were well taken and I blame complacency. I do feel sorry for Villa they are on a downward spiral that we know so well. Finally I feel sorry for Jolean Lescott . He cost them a number of goals and received so much hate from the crowd. I hope it doesn't effect him too much. or his parents, Will Smith and Lieutenant Worf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 It's only offside if the ref gives the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 It's only offside if the ref gives the decision Its only ruled out if the officials realise it is offside. If it is offside then it is offside. Aguero vs Newcastle was offside. It wasn't given but it was 100% factually offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Blimey winning not enough we have to win playing like Bayern Munich..... Look, I'm more than happy to have an argument (just ask anyone who knows me!), but at least argue based on what I said. I expect us to attempt to play as well as *we* can, especially against teams as poor as that, but we were sloppy and complacent in those three matches. The Everton game, in particular, could be the one that puts paid to our European chances, but all three should have allowed us to improve our goal difference to better than the three teams above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Lescott is Villa's whipping boy, that much we know., but Martin Keown did an analysis on MOTD which suggested Lescott's shortcomings yesterday were more the product of a collective failure rather than him routinely performing badly. He is slow though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Saw the match on MORE after listening to the radio. Generally we won a match we should have won any way and made a hard job of it. Long played well upto the final touch and luckily didn't cost us and luckily again lino was asleep. Westwood goals were well taken and I blame complacency. I do feel sorry for Villa they are on a downward spiral that we know so well. Finally I feel sorry for Jolean Lescott . He cost them a number of goals and received so much hate from the crowd. I hope it doesn't effect him too much. or his parents, Roland Gift and Lieutenant Worf. Is fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice2Eskimos Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 (edited) Should have had that curtains by half time. Gonna put my head on the Block here and say that Forster could have done better on both goals. I mean when Ashley Westwood, who hasn't scored in an eternity puts 2 past us, I'm sorry but that worries me. Edited 24 April, 2016 by Ice2Eskimos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Should have that curtains by half time. Gonna put my head on the Block here and say that Forster could have done better on both goals. Think Forster was un-sighted for the second one with2-3 defenders in his line of view, so I'll give him the benefit with that one, but the first one was a little too easy. I mean when Ashley Westwood, who hasn't scored in an eternity puts 2 past us, I'm sorry but that worries me. That's the sacrifice we make with having Tadic in the team. He creates stuff going forward, but he just doesn't track back and pick up the runners from midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 24 April, 2016 Share Posted 24 April, 2016 Made hard work of falling off a log. Will need to improve next week, and then again the week after. If we do that, and other results go our way, we still could squeak a Europa spot. If Liverpool win the Europa League, City win the Champions League and United win the FA Cup. I think the season ended at Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 At 2-0 up I was still concerned that our tempo and general attitude to the game was allowing Villa to gain some encouragement. And so it came to pass. Fortunately, in spite of their growing confidence we were still much the better team. Hopefully this perform- ance can be put down to the unusual atmosphere at the ground as it was a fae from convincing display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Made hard work of falling off a log. Will need to improve next week, and then again the week after. If we do that, and other results go our way, we still could squeak a Europa spot. If Liverpool win the Europa League, City win the Champions League and United win the FA Cup. I think the season ended at Everton. It wasn't getting a draw at Everton that hurt our chances of Europe more that horrible period around Christmas when two of our three main goal scorers became unable to hit a barn door at 3 yards. Mane went from October (Liverpool away) to March (Liverpool at home) without scoring a goal in the league which is bloody awful really and Pelles contribution was similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 My only disappointment from the game is that after the final whistle our players didn't line up for a team photograph on their pitch like Villa did at the Dell in 98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMO Im ITK Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 I know i don't post much and could come across as trolling here but i do question how Long is so close to Tadic for MotM, I could have scored a hat-trick with his chances. Fair enough it didn't matter today, but against better opposition it could be the difference between a Win or a Loss. If Long could finish he'd be a 20+ goal per season striker all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Christ it's hard to please some people. I'm just off to check we did win and score 4 goals away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 He's super Slav's man, he's better than Zidane Oh wait that was the original We have crowbarred in that world renown CB Japp Stam Newcastle had it for Cabaye years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 I have never seen so many negative posts/tweets after an away win scoring four goals in the process; would you all rather we won one nil then we would have spent all game crapping ourselves when Villa got near the box?/ What a bunch of miserable sods, go support a posy team in League 2 and have a proper moan! Don't be too surprised, it was all negative when we (only!) beat Newcastle 3-1 the other week ! Fan websites seem to incite critical remarks as the norm these days, positive comments result in 'happy clapper' accusations ! I find it strange and depressing but that is the way it is, I'm afraid ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 That's why he's playing for us and not someone 'bigger'. Nice to see that, despite him exceeding expectations amid the howls of derision when we bought him, he still gets knocked by the knockers. Yeh sorry for wanting a striker to actually take chances and score goals consistently, how rude of me. Especially when they are playing as a lone striker. The fact that 9 goals this season is the most he's ever managed in one premier league seasons tells you all you need to know. If we want to improve, we need someone that scores more than 9 goals in a season considering all the chances we create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 It's only offside if the ref gives the decision Don't be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Yeh sorry for wanting a striker to actually take chances and score goals consistently, how rude of me. Especially when they are playing as a lone striker. The fact that 9 goals this season is the most he's ever managed in one premier league seasons tells you all you need to know. If we want to improve, we need someone that scores more than 9 goals in a season considering all the chances we create. How'd you work that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 25 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Don't be too surprised, it was all negative when we (only!) beat Newcastle 3-1 the other week ! Fan websites seem to incite critical remarks as the norm these days, positive comments result in 'happy clapper' accusations ! I find it strange and depressing but that is the way it is, I'm afraid ! I haven't seen anything unreasonable posted on here. To say, "well we won, everything's fine," is sticking your head in the sand to an extent. We let in 2 poor goals and went into stoppage time with just a 1 goal lead against the worst team in the Premier League for 10 years. The only other team they've scored twice against in the last 4 months is Norwich. We get away with playing like this against sides as poor as Newcastle and Villa but against anyone better we come unstuck, which showed at Goodison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 More of a comment on Villa, there were chances there to score 8 or 9. It's not about that so much as frustration that we've not been clinical enough throughout the season. And while 4-0 would have been a good result, we let probably the worst premier league side ever get back in a game they had no place being in, right up until injury time. That's why we're finishing 8th, so frustration is understandable, given we know the squad is capable of more. Just think how high we would be if we still had Gaston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Only just seen replays of the 2nd goal. WTF was that guy doing, trying a pass back to the keeper from near our penalty area!! And deary me what a feeble attempt by Lescott to keep up with Schlong. Comedy Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Yeh sorry for wanting a striker to actually take chances and score goals consistently, how rude of me. Especially when they are playing as a lone striker. The fact that 9 goals this season is the most he's ever managed in one premier league seasons tells you all you need to know. If we want to improve, we need someone that scores more than 9 goals in a season considering all the chances we create. 9 from 25 games, as opposed to our main striker who has the glorious amount of 10 from 27. Given Long has played many times as a winger/attacking MF rather than an out and out striker, actually getting 9 from 25 is a reasonably decent return. Mane by way of comparison has scored 7 from 34. (all data based on PL goals only). Yes if we need to improve we need a striker who can score more than 10 a season, but replacing Long is not the real answer is it? We need to upgrade #19 (and maybe we have with Austin). I think I'm right in saying that Pelle has played in more games when he hasn't scored that Long (no doubt someone will verify the accuracy of that statement). Of course its not all about their goals, there are other contributions that strikers make, but to have a go at Long really is missing the real point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Didn't see much of Saturday's match but I'm assuming Tadic is getting a lot of votes in lieu of being able to vote for him in the Everton game when he was comfortably the best player, but for which there was inexplicably no poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Didn't see much of Saturday's match but I'm assuming Tadic is getting a lot of votes in lieu of being able to vote for him in the Everton game when he was comfortably the best player, but for which there was inexplicably no poll. He made Garth Crooks team of the week ! The supreme accolade indeed, mind you he had Jeff Schlupp at LB when he actually played up front for Leicester ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 25 April, 2016 Share Posted 25 April, 2016 Didn't see much of Saturday's match but I'm assuming Tadic is getting a lot of votes in lieu of being able to vote for him in the Everton game when he was comfortably the best player, but for which there was inexplicably no poll. He was comfortably our best player against villa as well, which is probably why he's been voted as the best player. Shane long had a good game as well, but tadic was excellent, almost everything we did up front came via him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 26 April, 2016 Share Posted 26 April, 2016 Christ it's hard to please some people. I'm just off to check we did win and score 4 goals away from home. Lol, I know what you mean. The Villa game was always going to be an odd one. No-one really knew how they were going to perform after relegation was sealed. It wasn't like us to concede two goals like that, but as Koeman alluded to before the game, there wasn't really anything all that positive to gain from the match (we were expected to win whatever happened). It didn't surprise me one bit to hear about Villa's goals to be perfectly honest. All we can do now is try our best to win the last three. If we do, that will be 63 points for the season and a Premier League record once again, and possibly Europa League action next year. Two wins and a defeat from the last three and we will have gained 36 points from our last 18 fixtures, which is a very respectable effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 27 April, 2016 Share Posted 27 April, 2016 9 from 25 games...... Realistically, if he was 25 from 9 games he wouldn't cost 10M and wouldn't be playing for us. He does at least get himself into scoring positions, unlike the fat arm-chair critics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 He was ahead of the ball and the last defender, how was it not offside? Because the ref did not call it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 Lol, I know what you mean. The Villa game was always going to be an odd one. No-one really knew how they were going to perform after relegation was sealed. It wasn't like us to concede two goals like that, but as Koeman alluded to before the game, there wasn't really anything all that positive to gain from the match (we were expected to win whatever happened). It didn't surprise me one bit to hear about Villa's goals to be perfectly honest. All we can do now is try our best to win the last three. If we do, that will be 63 points for the season and a Premier League record once again, and possibly Europa League action next year. Two wins and a defeat from the last three and we will have gained 36 points from our last 18 fixtures, which is a very respectable effort. With respect I must disagree. Some of the goals we have conceded this season, and even before that, have been the result of comical defending. Which is even more frustrating given that great run of clean sheets where they kept everything together. Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 Don't be ridiculous. It was not offside becaus the linesman did not raise his flag hence the referee not awarding the free kick and not dissalowing the goal.... We dont have tv replays yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 It was not offside becaus the linesman did not raise his flag hence the referee not awarding the free kick and not dissalowing the goal.... We dont have tv replays yet? It was offside. Factually offside. It wasn't given as offside but it was offside. Just like before goalline technology some 100% proven goals were not awarded as a goal. There are two stages to an offside: 1. It being offside 2. A linesman or referee noticing and awarding it The first determines whether something is offside or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 It was offside. Factually offside. It wasn't given as offside but it was offside. Just like before goalline technology some 100% proven goals were not awarded as a goal. There are two stages to an offside: 1. It being offside 2. A linesman or referee noticing and awarding it The first determines whether something is offside or not. Just an observation. The beauty of offside is in the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 Goal line tech for an objective decision. Off side is subjective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 It was offside. Factually offside. It wasn't given as offside but it was offside. Just like before goalline technology some 100% proven goals were not awarded as a goal. There are two stages to an offside: 1. It being offside 2. A linesman or referee noticing and awarding it The first determines whether something is offside or not. So is a batsman in cricket out despite not being given out...no so unless a player is signalled and the decision indicated as offside he isnt... The fact that he should have been given offside is correct though but in the context of the game it wasnt, so irelevant and nothing more than a talking point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 its like saying Kevin Friend had gave a perfectly sound performance when officiating Saints v Liverpool last season. We were never robbed as he didnt give us any (blatant) penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 April, 2016 Share Posted 29 April, 2016 its like saying Kevin Friend had gave a perfectly sound performance when officiating Saints v Liverpool last season. We were never robbed as he didnt give us any (blatant) penalties We werent robbed he just got decisons wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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