SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 So, without wanting to completely write-off our chances of European qualification, it is looking increasingly unlikely. I would suggest if we are to qualify it would require either a win for Man City in the CL or a win for Liverpool in the EL - or both. Currently we can assume that Man City will qualify for Europe by virtue of league position and so their League Cup place will pass to the team finishing sixth. If City win the CL then five teams will qualify for the CL and EL places will go to the teams in sixth and seventh. If Liverpool also win the EL then it is possible that European qulaification will extend to the team in eighth (though some, such as Danny Kelly on Radio Five suggest this is unlikely). However, without spending too long analysing our chances of European qualification (especially as there are others threads which do that), if we don't qualify for Europe, what impact will that have on what happens in the transfer market this summer? Will Wanyama and Mane leave? Are there others that might want to leave if there is no prospect of European football? And what about players we might buy? Could failure to qualify for Europe affect our ability to attract new players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 I think it will make little difference. CL isthe draw, not El. But, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we keep either of Mané or Wanyama. Bertrand and Forster will be the subject of speculation too, at least. We may struggle to keep Ronald. Let's hope the black box is working well. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Not overly bothered about keeping Wanyama and Mane if we get good offers. It's Forster, Bertrand, Long and Koeman I want us to keep at all costs. EL won't make a difference to any of them. Even CL won't matter much. When Chelsea don't qualify for the CL or EL do you think Mane would turn them down? No, he wants to play for the biggest club he can for as much money as he can. Same with most players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Pretty certain that 8th doesn't get Europe whatever happens. I have full trust in Ronald. If we keep everyone, then we probably need a RB and maybe another attacking player. Possibly a backup keeper assuming Stekelenburg will go back to Fulham or go elsewhere. Baring in mind that Wanyama and Mane are 90% gone, I'd like to see us go and buy a top young wide player, and another CM (unless Romeu is the replacement and Reed steps up). At the end of the day, if we offer the money, then players will come. Would love to get Chamberlain back and we can help him rebuild his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 A player having to choose between Leicester and Southampton: what would your choice be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Pretty certain that 8th doesn't get Europe whatever happens. I have full trust in Ronald. If we keep everyone, then we probably need a RB and maybe another attacking player. Possibly a backup keeper assuming Stekelenburg will go back to Fulham or go elsewhere. Baring in mind that Wanyama and Mane are 90% gone, I'd like to see us go and buy a top young wide player, and another CM (unless Romeu is the replacement and Reed steps up). At the end of the day, if we offer the money, then players will come. Would love to get Chamberlain back and we can help him rebuild his career. Steckelenburg is a free agent at the end of the season. I expect talks have been held already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 A player having to choose between Leicester and Southampton: what would your choice be? Leicester...but what's your point? There are enough players in the world that we aren't all going for the same ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Koeman will be our biggest loss, he is off to Barcelona for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Pretty certain that 8th doesn't get Europe whatever happens. I have full trust in Ronald. If we keep everyone, then we probably need a RB and maybe another attacking player. Pretty poor show if after signing two RBs in the previous summer window we need another one this time. Recruitment is the key. We had a massive chance this season to get a top 4 place, certainly top 6. But ultimately last summer was average at best. Only VVD has been a total success and which when you sign 7 or 8 players is a poor ratio. Hopefully Wilson does a better job this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Koeman will be our biggest loss, he is off to Barcelona for sure. why for sure? how long will he last playing the style of football we have at a club like Barcelona? how many weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Pretty poor show if after signing two RBs in the previous summer window we need another one this time. Recruitment is the key. We had a massive chance this season to get a top 4 place, certainly top 6. But ultimately last summer was average at best. Only VVD has been a total success and which when you sign 7 or 8 players is a poor ratio. Hopefully Wilson does a better job this time around. We lost two in the previous two windows, no guarantee both of the replacements would work out. If anything it's a response to Yoshida no longer being considered as an option there. Overall I don't think the Europa situation is a big deal - the massive wages all Prem teams will be able to offer players from Europe will be a greater factor than European football once you get past the top 7 - and I doubt anyone who wants big money or Prem football will stay at a European club which is in the Europa League just because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 why for sure? how long will he last playing the style of football we have at a club like Barcelona? how many weeks? What makes you think he wouldn't change his coaching to suit the players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 What makes you think he wouldn't change his coaching to suit the players? do you think he will? always played with a 'big lad' up top. at the mo we are a fair bit like a pulis stoke. Loads of balls in the box, a big lump up top, busy wide and very dirty what on his CV with that is good enough for a team like Barcelona. Unless they just hire this name and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Pretty poor show if after signing two RBs in the previous summer window we need another one this time. Recruitment is the key. We had a massive chance this season to get a top 4 place, certainly top 6. But ultimately last summer was average at best. Only VVD has been a total success and which when you sign 7 or 8 players is a poor ratio. Hopefully Wilson does a better job this time around. We lost Paul 'black box' Mitchell to Tottenham. Luckily for us, he identified Van Dijk as a key target before he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 do you think he will? always played with a 'big lad' up top. at the mo we are a fair bit like a pulis stoke. Loads of balls in the box, a big lump up top, busy wide and very dirty what on his CV with that is good enough for a team like Barcelona. Unless they just hire this name and all that Hilariously wrong:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 (edited) Hilariously wrong:lol: how is that wrong? do we not put lots of balls in the box? do we not play with a slow lump up top? are we not top the table with red cards? do we not have busy players out wide? do we not play with two ball winners in the middle of the park? are we not dangerous from set pieces? is that all a lie? the only thing we dont do is give a delap long throw into the box. Although, Martina is trying I am abolutely not bothered by that as it works for us very well. But lets not pretend the style of football we have is anything that would be acceptable to barcelona. not even close Edited 18 April, 2016 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 how is that wrong? do we not put lots of balls in the box? do we not play with a slow lump up top? are we not top the table with red cards? do we not have busy players out wide? do we not play with two ball winners in the middle of the park? are we not dangerous from set pieces? is that all a lie? the only thing we dont do is give a delap long throw into the box. Although, Martina is trying We put some balls in to the box not all the time Recentlly we have been playing with Pelle and Long up top with Tadic and mane wide Some of the reds are very dubious as has been discussed and we are far from dirty Busy players what ever that means???? Wanyama and Clasie/Romeu so yes we do play 2 ball winners Is being dangerous at set pieces wrong then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 do you think he will? always played with a 'big lad' up top. at the mo we are a fair bit like a pulis stoke. Loads of balls in the box, a big lump up top, busy wide and very dirty what on his CV with that is good enough for a team like Barcelona. Unless they just hire this name and all that I'd disagree that was even Pulis' style, never mind that it's what we do. We cross a lot, but we also counterattack a lot and run at players from deep with the ball. We don't actively play for set-pieces, for instance. We're also not "dirty", Other than Wanyama's need to make himself unavailable for selection but available for wages we're probably one of the cleaner sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 We put some balls in to the box not all the time Recentlly we have been playing with Pelle and Long up top with Tadic and mane wide Some of the reds are very dubious as has been discussed and we are far from dirty Busy players what ever that means???? Wanyama and Clasie/Romeu so yes we do play 2 ball winners Is being dangerous at set pieces wrong then so, a fair bit like a Pulis Stoke side then and a fair bit off the chart to what barcelona demand at least from their side. Glad you agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 how is that wrong? do we not put lots of balls in the box? YES do we not play with a slow lump up top? NO are we not top the table with red cards? YES but only due to one player do we not have busy players out wide? WHO DOESN'T? do we not play with two ball winners in the middle of the park? WHO DOESN'T? are we not dangerous from set pieces? NO MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE is that all a lie? NO, JUST WRONG And also, Barcelona have a style, Koeman would manage to that style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 And also, Barcelona have a style, Koeman would manage to that style. Oh ok. is that how it works? how come we have left the style we 'had' before he came here then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 so, a fair bit like a Pulis Stoke side then and a fair bit off the chart to what barcelona demand at least from their side. Glad you agree We put crosses in to the box, no other team does, not one never We get red cards..no one else does, none of them We score from set pieces...no other club does....none..West ham, liverpool,man city,spurs, Leicester...you geting the point? All that makes us like a Pulis side....really Agree with you!! are you reading it wrong...think so Perhaps we should have poll then Are we like a Pulis side yes or no Could also ask a few pundits by e mail too...i`m sure they could do with a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Oh ok. is that how it works? how come we have left the style we 'had' before he came here then? Because certain managers have a style they impose and others adapt to what they have. Pochettino is a Bielsa advocate, he's never going to do anything other than high press and swarming breaks, and thanks to bringing Mitchell with him he's also brought in players that play in that way to perpetuate it. That was Pochettino enforcing his Plan A going away, rather than Koeman enforcing anything in particular. We play football like everyone else who doesn't have a defined style, and in fact we're very flexible in formation and approach this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 We put crosses in to the box, no other team does, not one never We get red cards..no one else does, none of them We score from set pieces...no other club does....none..West ham, liverpool,man city,spurs, Leicester...you geting the point? All that makes us like a Pulis side....really Agree with you!! are you reading it wrong...think so Perhaps we should have poll then Are we like a Pulis side yes or no Could also ask a few pundits by e mail too...i`m sure they could do with a laugh Because certain managers have a style they impose and others adapt to what they have. Pochettino is a Bielsa advocate, he's never going to do anything other than high press and swarming breaks, and thanks to bringing Mitchell with him he's also brought in players that play in that way to perpetuate it. That was Pochettino enforcing his Plan A going away, rather than Koeman enforcing anything in particular. We play football like everyone else who doesn't have a defined style, and in fact we're very flexible in formation and approach this season. Batman?? Any thing to add/imagine/make up;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 I'm still laughing at the mere idea that Southampton play even remotely like a Pulis Stoke team. I don't think anyone else in the world shares that view, even in jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 I'm still laughing at the mere idea that Southampton play even remotely like a Pulis Stoke team. I don't think anyone else in the world shares that view, even in jest. We place a much greater emphasis on possession than Pulis' teams do/did, but our main means of attack is similar. Get it wide and get the balls in the box. We are top of the league this season for crosses into the box so clearly we are placing a greater emphasis on that than the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 The idea that Koeman doesn't have a defined style is feeble drivel. Two seasons in and its pretty clear what Koeman's priorities are: the emphasis on defensive compactness, including from midfield; the importance of conventional wingplay as our main source of creativity and the relative indifference to possession - both of which have implications for the type of forward we use. The formations may change, though the style doesn't. The comparisons with Pulis are obvious hyperbole; but I'd argue Koeman has more in common with Pards (at least when he was at the club) than Poch or even Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADutchSaint Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 We lost Paul 'black box' Mitchell to Tottenham. Luckily for us, he identified Van Dijk as a key target before he left. I dont know how much Mitchell played a role in that but without him Van Dijk would have been playing for Southampton as well. Koeman wanted to bring in Van Dijk even before Toby, he has been knowing van Dijk for years. Ronald's father (Martin Koeman) was the head scout at Groningen in Holland when they brought Van Dijk in from Willem 2. And its not a secret that Ronald always liked Tadic and Van Dijk and through his father, he knew everything about them. Van Dijk and Tadic spanked Feyenoord in one match, in Koeman's first year as the manager, when they both played at Groningen and won 6-0 with both scoring goals and assists. So i dont know how high Van Dijk was on the scouting reports before Koeman joined the club (probably pretty high) but Koeman knew everything about Van Dijk before Mitchell even joined Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 There seems to be a lot of emphasis by players and management for us finishing in a Europa league place. Every interview has this content at the moment and to me they are over doing it unless there is another reason. Today it's all about Europa this and we need to finish here but why, maybe Koemans future depends on it as didn't he say he will stay if we keep improving so finishing 8th could see him walk. Europa league is not going to be the make or break for keeping or signing players money is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Possibly a backup keeper assuming Stekelenburg will go back to Fulham or go elsewhere. Steckelenburg is a free agent at the end of the season. I expect talks have been held already. His Fulham contract expires 30th June 2017. http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2013/june/05/stekelenburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 (edited) I'm still laughing at the mere idea that Southampton play even remotely like a Pulis Stoke team. I don't think anyone else in the world shares that view, even in jest. Most crosses most red cards least amount of 'dribbles' by our players lower half in terms of possession fairly high up in the number of fouls committed Most aerial duals won big lump as a central striker The Pulis/Stoke comparison may have been a tad OTT but of any team, we are the nearest there is IMO Edited 18 April, 2016 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Most crosses most red cards least amount of 'dribbles' by our players lower half in terms of possession fairly high up in the number of fouls committed Most aerial duals won big lump as a central striker The Pulis/Stoke comparison may have been a tad OTT but of any team, we are the nearest there is IMO You have just described West Ham!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Europa League qualification will be a factor, but probably not a big or decisive one. We're one of the more attractive propositions in England, but with the TV money we'll inevitably have inflated prices and rivals willing to spend more than us. We'll quickly have to assess the lie of the land to make sure we can secure our targets. What we don't want is to sell Wanyama and find our replacement has already signed for someone else, as appears to have happened with Clyne last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 18 April, 2016 Share Posted 18 April, 2016 Most crosses most red cards least amount of 'dribbles' by our players lower half in terms of possession fairly high up in the number of fouls committed Most aerial duals won big lump as a central striker The Pulis/Stoke comparison may have been a tad OTT but of any team, we are the nearest there is IMO TBF if Saints signed Messi, Suarez and Neymar you'd still have it that RK would play Pelle every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Pretty certain that 8th doesn't get Europe whatever happens. Could this happen? 1st Tottenham CL Through League 2nd Leicester CL Through League 3rd Man City CL Through League 4th Arsenal CL Through League 5th Liverpool CL Through Winning Europa League 6th Man Utd EL Through Winning FA Cup 7th West Ham EL in Place of Liverpool 8th Southampton EL in Place of Man Utd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Most crosses most red cards least amount of 'dribbles' by our players lower half in terms of possession fairly high up in the number of fouls committed Most aerial duals won big lump as a central striker The Pulis/Stoke comparison may have been a tad OTT but of any team, we are the nearest there is IMO Personally I'd think West Brom were comfortably the nearest to a Pulis team currently playing in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Europa League qualification will be a factor, but probably not a big or decisive one. We're one of the more attractive propositions in England, but with the TV money we'll inevitably have inflated prices and rivals willing to spend more than us. We'll quickly have to assess the lie of the land to make sure we can secure our targets. What we don't want is to sell Wanyama and find our replacement has already signed for someone else, as appears to have happened with Clyne last year. Who was our preferred right back replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 (edited) Could this happen? 1st Tottenham CL Through League 2nd Leicester CL Through League 3rd Man City CL Through League 4th Arsenal CL Through League 5th Liverpool CL Through Winning Europa League 6th Man Utd EL Through Winning FA Cup 7th West Ham EL in Place of Liverpool 8th Southampton EL in Place of Man Utd I've seen talk that the Liverpool CL place from winning the EL removes the third EL place and instead there's a "one team moved up" effect through the rest of Europe's coefficients for competition qualification, but can't be bothered to check if this is accurate. In which case in your scenario Man U get EL from FA Cup win, West Ham would get Man City's League Cup winning place, and that's it. I am not suggestion that is accurate, just that it's what's been said. EDIT: I've seen the BBC reporting that it isn't the 3rd EL place going if the EL and CL winners are English, it's that there are only 3 Prem League places for the CL, so that 4th place would be the first EL position rather than a CL one. There's then a League Cup winner place and an FA Cup winner place for Europa League, both of which go to the Prem if teams which have already made the CL finish top 4. (City's is already an extra one for the League if they come top 4, or if they come lower but win the CL). Edited 19 April, 2016 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Who was our preferred right back replacement? Kieran Trippier but Paul Mitchell took him to Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Kieran Trippier but Paul Mitchell took him to Spurs. Cheers, had forgotten him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Kieran Trippier but Paul Mitchell took him to Spurs. Was there any real evidence of interest though, other than being touted on here ? I recall one newspaper report where his name was mentioned as a potential Saints target but apart from that, nothing. Shame as I suspect he'd have been a better option than the two we brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Was there any real evidence of interest though, other than being touted on here ? I recall one newspaper report where his name was mentioned as a potential Saints target but apart from that, nothing. Shame as I suspect he'd have been a better option than the two we brought in. I think people are looking for problems where there aren't any. It's the technique of following players that works, not one persons approach. That is why we were not worried when Mitchell left. There are plenty of good replacements. Similarly, as someone else said, there are enough good players around in all positions for us to compete against the top teams. Do people honestly think Trippier was saying to himself 'I want to go wherever Mitchell goes...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 19 April, 2016 Share Posted 19 April, 2016 Who was our preferred right back replacement? I don't know - the fact there was a first choice which fell through was mentioned by Les Reed in those behind the scenes videos from a few months ago but he wasn't named. Trippier is a good guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 April, 2016 Share Posted 21 April, 2016 (edited) http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/21/victor-wanyama-stalling-on-southampton-contract-to-force-tottenham-transfer-5830842/ No great surprise Edited 21 April, 2016 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 April, 2016 Share Posted 21 April, 2016 I think people are looking for problems where there aren't any. It's the technique of following players that works, not one persons approach. That is why we were not worried when Mitchell left. There are plenty of good replacements. Similarly, as someone else said, there are enough good players around in all positions for us to compete against the top teams. Do people honestly think Trippier was saying to himself 'I want to go wherever Mitchell goes...' No, I think he was probably thinking "ooh, Spurs will pay me more than Saints, and now I have someone there who's been trying to sign me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicBoom Posted 21 April, 2016 Share Posted 21 April, 2016 Let's be honest Koeman has done a good job but despite losing players he also go plenty to reinvest so he hasn't done it on a shoestring. He is a very good manager but I'm not sure he's done enough at Saints to go from us to what is possibly the world's top managerial post. Perhaps Barca will look beyond that and want him due to his playing career and association with the club, I'm sure he would be a popular appointment. I just wonder if he has the managerial record they would require. I don't think you go from Saints to Barca. You might go from a top 5 club to Barca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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