This doesnt sound good...

[Horley CTFC Saint]

Excuse me, is this the full meltdown thread or just the half hour one only I don't wish to participate for more than 30 minutes?

[Redslo]

If we don't lose VVD to someone like Spurs for big money I will be very surprised (but v happy)

 

He signed a five year contract and was undoubtedly told that he was staying for more than a year. I would be surprised if he left this summer.

[angelman]

Damn - I've renewed my ST already. How am I going to survive this meltdown and inevitable relegation next season????

[Redslo]

Is this the annual ''we're run like a b&b'' thread?

 

Good stuff. A bit early this year though.

 

I disagree. If you look at the contract lengths of our players the real worry should be summer 2017.

[Mr Biscuits]

Excuse me, is this the full meltdown thread or just the half hour one only I don't wish to participate for more than 30 minutes?

 

Yes you do

[Redslo]

To take the subject of this thread a bit seriously, it is worth pointing out that this year we will not be along. Leicester, West Ham, Stoke, Bournemouth, Everton, and, possibly, Spurs should face similar pressures to sell important players to richer clubs. Certainly, their fans will be worried about the possibility.

[Supersubpuckett]

To take the subject of this thread a bit seriously, it is worth pointing out that this year we will not be along. Leicester, West Ham, Stoke, Bournemouth, Everton, and, possibly, Spurs should face similar pressures to sell important players to richer clubs. Certainly, their fans will be worried about the possibility.

 

Agree. Spurs fans must be melting down the same way some of our lot are.....kane, ali, poch, toby....players get sold every year by most clubs so for rk to say what he did isn't exactly earth shattering.

[david in sweden]

well putting that statement in perspective..

....most people on this site seem to think we'll lose Mane and maybe A.N.OTHER in the summer in which case they'll need to be replaced...

....but one thing is certain in that we need a permanent no.2 goalie. Kelvin is OOC and not likely to get an extension at 40.

Stekelenburg is only on loan ....and (sorry all you Gazzaniga fans) but I'm still not convinced he's going to become Prem. standard.

 

The balance of the midfield isn't right yet. Looking back to the time when we had Alderweireld and Schneiderlin there was a bit of height and muscle there, but if Victor has another of his episodes then we could be without him for a lot longer next time.

That leaves Romeu and Gardos as somewhat " unknown quantities " for a permanent place in the side, if we were to be without VvD, or Fonte for a longer period.

 

I'm not totally disatisfied with the Cedric / Martina choices at RB, but Jason McCarthy maybe in the mix by next season?

 

Having four fit strikers sounds enough, but we are always on the lookout for new talent, but it does seem pointless to hold onto Juanmi based on his showing this season.

[adrian lord]

Not too fussed about Mane

 

 

Forster and VVD would be grievous losses.

[John B]

Not too fussed about Mane

 

 

Forster and VVD would be grievous losses.

 

VVD would be but Forster is overated

[Faz]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/14/southampton-ronald-koeman-barcelona

 

The language is everybody wants to play here. And when a player doesn’t want to play here, we’re not the place to be. If a player doesn’t want to play here, maybe it’s not a cultural fit or an emotional fit or maybe this Southampton way is b0llocks to him. See, I'm leaning English

 

Arf arf

Edited 15 April, 2016 by Faz

[CB Fry]

I can come up of a list of 5 first team members who may go (Mane, Vic, Forster, VVD, Pelle whose replacement now has a big question mark about his fitness).

 

I reckon this could be the worst summer yet...

But Mane was definitely sold in January, wasn't he?

 

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F**ked without Mane

[sadoldgit]

Not too fussed about Mane

 

 

Forster and VVD would be grievous losses.

 

Both are in the early stages of their contracts. Cant see either leaving next season.

[Saint Charlie]

Both are in the early stages of their contracts. Cant see either leaving next season.

Forster only has 2 more years so his contract should be high priority this summer otherwise we are in a Clyne/Wanyama situation next summer.

 

VVD has 4 years to go and he seems happy anyway. We should get one more year from him.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

VVD would be but Forster is overated

 

 

Are you actually serious?

[DuncanRG]

People are starting to cotton on to the fact that Wanyama is distinctly average. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lack of bids for him and if he did leave, I think he'd disappoint a lot of his potential suitors. At Arsenal for one he'd do nothing but slow them down going forward and he'd almost certainly be the subject of many an Arsenal Fan TV episode with the likes of Angry Claude calling for the re-inclusion of Coquelin (or something like that).

 

Do you really not notice when he's gone? If not, you will.

 

This is an interesting message for Krueger to send:

"That whole ‘you have to stay’ thing, that’s eventually not going to be in the language. We want it to be a crazy decision to leave here but we have to earn that."

 

It's rarely going to be a crazy decision to leave Southampton for Manchester United or Arsenal. But perhaps Krueger is looking for whatever it is that helps Everton keep so many good players?

Edited 16 April, 2016 by DuncanRG

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Do you really not notice when he's gone? If not, you will.

 

This totally..unreal how some cannot see how much better we are with him in the side.

[sadoldgit]

This totally..unreal how some cannot see how much better we are with him in the side.

 

I didn't have a problem with Stek but when Forster returned things improved big time.

[Batman]

This totally..unreal how some cannot see how much better we are with him in the side.

 

vic would be a massive loss to us. and would need to get a top notch replacement IMO

[sadoldgit]

vic would be a massive loss to us. and would need to get a top notch replacement IMO

 

Would he? He seems inconsistent, a bit like Pelle.

[doddisalegend]

This totally..unreal how some cannot see how much better we are with him in the side.

 

 

You mean when he turns up? for me when he us in the mood he is outstanding sadly he has had far to many days when he is not in the mood for me.

 

You have to wonder how much Victor's little hissy fit at the start of the season when he wanted to go to spurs plus his indiscipline during games has cost us in terms of points and Europe.

[igsey]

I don't think Mane will be going anywhere. If he'd been anywhere close to his form last season then he'd be out the door on day one of the window for £50m. As it is, he won't get a big enough offer for the club to accept - hopefully.

 

Not sure about Victor. He's an immense player when on form but a liability when he's not, and I can't imagine three red cards in a season will have helped his price tag much. I'd say he's 50/50 to leave, though I can still see Spurs coming in for him.

 

I think Juanmi and Martina will be off.

[adrian lord]

 

Are you actually serious?

 

Forster has been magnificent and we are much poorer defensively without him. A top class keeper makes all the difference. Where would Man U be without De Gea?

[DuncanRG]

I don't think Mane will be going anywhere. If he'd been anywhere close to his form last season then he'd be out the door on day one of the window for £50m. As it is, he won't get a big enough offer for the club to accept - hopefully.

 

Not sure about Victor. He's an immense player when on form but a liability when he's not, and I can't imagine three red cards in a season will have helped his price tag much. I'd say he's 50/50 to leave, though I can still see Spurs coming in for him.

 

I think Juanmi and Martina will be off.

 

Why would Martina leave? He's grown into the team over the season and ultimately done pretty well.

[Saint_clark]

Why would Martina leave? He's grown into the team over the season and ultimately done pretty well.

 

No no, he's Coco the Clown, worst buy ever. No amount of upturn in form will change that now.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

You mean when he turns up? for me when he us in the mood he is outstanding sadly he has had far to many days when he is not in the mood for me.

 

You have to wonder how much Victor's little hissy fit at the start of the season when he wanted to go to spurs plus his indiscipline during games has cost us in terms of points and Europe.

 

Same can be said for others too TBF.

Similar hissy fit to ms really

 

For me far better in the team than not, could we find a replacement as good...we didnt with MS

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Schneiderlin had a very good and consistent season before leaving. Wanyama hasn't.

 

Wanyama has not been as bad as some say IMO.

 

But i was saying we are better with VW in the side than not and the fact MS a hissy fit too, so unsure of the direction of

your response to my post.

[doddisalegend]

Same can be said for others too TBF.

Similar hissy fit to ms really

 

For me far better in the team than not, could we find a replacement as good...we didnt with MS

 

 

Morgan's hissy fit wasn't right in the middle of our attempts to get proper European football though. He managed to rule himself out of most important games in many a year with his sulking.

 

As for replacing Morgan a player of his quality, and lets not kid ourselves he is twice the player Victor is, was a tall order for club like ours.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Morgan's hissy fit wasn't right in the middle of our attempts to get proper European football though. He managed to rule himself out of most important games in many a year with his sulking.

 

As for replacing Morgan a player of his quality, and lets not kid ourselves he is twice the player Victor is, was a tall order for club like ours.

 

Still a hissy fit, so it`s ok to do it, just date dependent....?

 

Twice the player is a bit of a stretch but better when he was here but not so much better now that LVG has him

[Tom & Gerry]

I think our squad is big enough, so if we want to improve we have to sell and buy better. I wouldn't be too bothered about losing almost anyone we've got at the moment.

[Maggie May]

I'm going to get slated for this but Paul Lambert deserves a decent job.

 

His career hasn't been helped by the fact his last two clubs have been utter shambles.

[Saint Charlie]

I'm going to get slated for this but Paul Lambert deserves a decent job.

 

His career hasn't been helped by the fact his last two clubs have been utter shambles.

He is Burley Mk II IMO.

[CB Fry]

He is Burley Mk II IMO.

Just one of a billion managers who have a little flourish and a bit of success and that's it, back to mediocrity. Owen Coyle. Malkay Mackay. Ian Dowie. Tony Mowbray. Phil Briwn. Aidy Boothroyd. Paul Jewell. Our Nigel.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Because his hissy fit had no impact on his form. It has with wanyama. He's had a few good games but overall he's been half the player of last season and his refusal to play in Europe means I honestly don't care if he leaves. Decent defensive midfielder no doubt but I don't particular like him.

 

Thanks for your opinion but i not sure i agree, didn`nt MS not play at start to sort his head out and i dont remember VW

refusing to play

[SaintBitterne]

I'm going to get slated for this but Paul Lambert deserves a decent job.

 

His career hasn't been helped by the fact his last two clubs have been utter shambles.

 

I don't think that he would be a good replacement for Wanyama but just my opinion

[The9]

Thanks for your opinion but i not sure i agree, didn`nt MS not play at start to sort his head out and i dont remember VW

refusing to play

 

Scheiderlin played in our first competitive game of the season at Anfield, I saw the team news when outside the stadium and for once the cliche was true - it genuinely felt like a new signing after all the players who'd gone, and with the statement Ralph had made about he and Rodriguez staying. He was a bit off the pace in that match due to not having played in a couple of pre-season games, but his commitment wasn't questioned.

 

Wanyama played in Arnhem but his entirely avoidable absence was a big factor in us going out in Denmark, and his actual performances and proliferation of red cards in the first half of the season were entirely unprofessional.

[The9]

I don't think that he would be a good replacement for Wanyama but just my opinion

 

He'd have been awesome 20 years ago.

[shurlock]

Scheiderlin played in our first competitive game of the season at Anfield, I saw the team news when outside the stadium and for once the cliche was true - it genuinely felt like a new signing after all the players who'd gone, and with the statement Ralph had made about he and Rodriguez staying. He was a bit off the pace in that match due to not having played in a couple of pre-season games, but his commitment wasn't questioned.

 

Wanyama played in Arnhem but his entirely avoidable absence was a big factor in us going out in Denmark, and his actual performances and proliferation of red cards in the first half of the season were entirely unprofessional.

 

Why was it a big factor in us going out? Apart from the last 10-15mins, they scarcely threatened us and we had plenty of the ball. What we missed that night was some composure and creativity on the ball (just like the previous Watford game where Wanyama did feature). Mané, if anything, was the bigger miss in Denmark. Wanyama was a nob but the usual platitudes and herd-like revisionism don't change the fact that his absence was largely a sideshow.

Edited 19 April, 2016 by shurlock

[david in sweden]

Just one of a billion managers who have a little flourish and a bit of success and that's it, back to mediocrity. Owen Coyle. Malkay Mackay. Ian Dowie. Tony Mowbray. Phil Briwn. Aidy Boothroyd. Paul Jewell. Our Nigel.

 

whilst I don't disagree with most of your examples, I think it's a bit unfair to put Nigel in the same category.

 

What he achieved at Sc-unthorpe was near miraculous, and two successive promotions with Saints does speak for some quality. Reading were poor before he went.

 

There are some teams that would be poor, no matter who managed them.....Can't see that (even) Mourinho would succeed in L1 unless he had £100 million to play with.

[eelpie]

Great we lose Wanyama who most people on here says has been ineffective. Tadic most people on on here says has been ineffective, Mane who most people on here says has bee ineffective. But at least theres a groundswell of opinion to get Ramirez back, who most people on here seem to think shows a lot of potential.

 

Lol

[SNSUN]

So what is our worst case scenario next season? Building a defence around an ageing Fonte and Yoshida, a midfield of JWP and an ageing Davis, an attack of a crocked JRod and a crocked Austin? Or are things a bit rosier than that? I'm interested in what people think as in previous summers we can nail down the positions we needed to strengthen. Harder to do that this summer coming.

 

As long as recruitment is decent I personally don't think we have much to worry about but I suppose it depends on how many outs we have.

[david in sweden]

So what is our worst case scenario next season? Building a defence around an ageing Fonte and Yoshida, a midfield of JWP and an ageing Davis, an attack of a crocked JRod and a crocked Austin? Or are things a bit rosier than that? I'm interested in what people think as in previous summers we can nail down the positions we needed to strengthen. Harder to do that this summer coming.

 

As long as recruitment is decent I personally don't think we have much to worry about but I suppose it depends on how many outs we have.

 

 

you make it sound bad, but there's more than a grain in truth in that statement anyway.

 

Fonte is going on 33 and Davis is 31 (?).. and careers can go downhill fast after 30. In the long term, we'll need permanent replacements for both of them, and they should be brought into the team steadily and not having us go out and last minute panic buys (type Caulker).... if there are sudden injuries or loss of form.

 

I feel sorry for Yoshida, who is a good squad player but who invariably gets played out of position, but I certainly don't see him as " Fonte Mark II", and Gardos is still an unknown quantity. On the few showings he had, he was never better than Alderweireld, but he never had a good run of games to show his talent either.

 

Next season could see JWP and Clasie really come into their own ..or ....spend half the season on the bench, thereby hangs a problem.

 

We really would be unlucky if ...we were to (say) lose Pelle and then have JayRod and Austin spending months in the treatment room again.

 

This makes it sound dull and depressing, so let's hope we get some more consistancy and better luck next season.

[Roo1976]

Hopefully its the black box from summer 2014 rather than the virus-ridden 2015 version (Van Dijk aside).

 

I think Van Dijk is one that is on everyones radar he just makes the game look so effortless class player.

[jasonb]

I think Van Dijk is one that is on everyones radar he just makes the game look so effortless class player.

 

My old grandad used to refer to these types of players as Rolls Royce players. Different gravy.

[Saint Charlie]

Next season could see JWP and Clasie really come into their own ..or ....spend half the season on the bench, thereby hangs a problem.

[/b]

 

Same conundrum for JWP as the previous 3 summers.

 

Hard to see him being a regular starter next season though.

 

He isnt an attacking midfielder/no 10 and can't do the defensive stuff needed to play deeper.

[The9]

So what is our worst case scenario next season? Building a defence around an ageing Fonte and Yoshida, a midfield of JWP and an ageing Davis, an attack of a crocked JRod and a crocked Austin? Or are things a bit rosier than that? I'm interested in what people think as in previous summers we can nail down the positions we needed to strengthen. Harder to do that this summer coming.

 

As long as recruitment is decent I personally don't think we have much to worry about but I suppose it depends on how many outs we have.

 

Our worst case scenario is that despite having more money than the club has ever had before, and more money than 959% of football clubs in the world (albeit not more than 10 or so of our immediate rivals), we somehow contrive to not be able to attract any of the best 500 footballers in the world to the club to replace the ones who have Prem experience and move elsewhere.

 

My main concern this summer is that we don't lose at least some of the players who've been linked with moves and underperformed this season and stagnate instead of continuing to strengthen. I'd quite like Wanyama to go if his heart's not in it, I want us to sign someone from a top European side who can't compete with us on wages who can do his job and pass. I'd like us to sign a new CB as a future replacement for Fonte who is better than Gardos and Yoshida, and a number 10 with some defensive ability to replace Davis, and Stekelenburg permanently as he still seems the best fit for his current role.

 

Afaic, we can sell or let Gardos (too slow in possession), Isgrove and Ramirez go, will also be interesting to see if the likes of Gallagher, Stephens and McCarthy have a future now they've had a run out. Not sure who's out of contract tbh. I'd keep Yoshida, he's still ok as backup and usually against bottom half sides. Juanmi is a tricky one, not sure what's happening there but it'll take an impressive change in him for him to have a future after this season's lack of impact - no reason why he shouldn't be afforded some more time to make an impact though.