Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Yes - because it illustrates the disunity at the club. And allows us to make reasoned judgement as a result. so you want players to tell the world how ****ed up things are so YOU can make a judgement. OK, so what is your judgement and what difference does it make that you have made one? Assumng your judgement is that the club is in a mess, are you now going to come to our rescue...say its so Robbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Rudi & Kevin are our last links with real world football and they are both class acts. I woldn't blame eithet of them for moving on now. With at least 4 ex-Saints in their line-up, Stoke have, if only temporarily reminded us all of just how far the Club but not it's ex-stars have fallen away from the premiership. 5 actually - Fuller, Delap, Pericard, Davies and Higgy. Still at least we have Pulis. BTW has Rudi signed yet LOL I suspect once Jan reads this on Sky, that Rudi will sadly be shown the door a la Wotton. Speaking out against the experience that is JP is not allowed. I would be sad to see Rudi leave, I feel his experience has been very important in even keeping us on terms in some games. We usually look better when Perry and Rudi play at the back, even with James and A N Other. I think he also always had the potential to be a "star" for us, if only we had persisted in playing him in his favoured, if not his original position of LM. His fitness has sometimes let him down though. Expect to see him elsewhere within 25 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Try slagging your boss off in the newspapers or down the pub and see how long you last with a job!! You have to get real - look at any other club, e.g. Man U or Arsenal. Any behaviour that represents the club poorly is severely dealt with. Your boss comes to you and says your not wanted anymore go find another job - your too old and all we want is YTS and Graduates. You get offered another job on half the salary but thats not what you really want. Then it turns out all the YTS and graduates can't do your job as well as you . So they ask you to do the tasks again. You do a good job for months then the same happens - are you saying you would keep quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I think when it gets so bad that PROFESSIONALS start to speak out it is telling us a whole lot of things. Skacel is the second now. I make the assumption that they are professionals and so to speak out is telling us more of what we (dont) want to hear. They are as desperate as we are by the sounds of it. So, yes I am happy to make a judgement from that Chez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Your boss comes to you and says your not wanted anymore go find another job - your too old and all we want is YTS and Graduates. You get offered another job on half the salary but thats not what you really want. Then it turns out all the YTS and graduates can't do your job as well as you . So they ask you to do the tasks again. You do a good job for months then the same happens - are you saying you would keep quiet? I am saying that if I decide to slag my boss off, I should not be surpised of the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 They just might. Besides they could hardly get any worse could they? I don't like to be pessimistic, but........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I am saying that if I decide to slag my boss off, I should not be surpised of the consequences. Yep understand that but given the circumstances he is expected to play in that he cares about consequences anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I am saying that if I decide to slag my boss off, I should not be surpised of the consequences. And if you wanted out - you wouldnt care anyway. I suppose the difference with Wotton and Rudi is that at least Wotton did it in house - just we found out anyway! Rudi has clearly had enough and hoping for a January move. Will Kelvin Davies speak out too? Correct me if I'm wrong but I gather there's been no talk of renewing his contract, which I belive may expire in the summer?? May be wrong on that.... but something tells me thats correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 (edited) I'd have a lot more respect for Skacel's words if he had come anywhere close to showing the kind of form he had with Hearts in playing for us: but he never has, not even when he first came here. A few flashes of it here and there, but let's face it, he has been an inconsistent disappointment. he'd get my respect is he actually bothered to get fit and stopped diving Edited 6 January, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Try slagging your boss off in the newspapers or down the pub and see how long you last with a job!! You have to get real - look at any other club, e.g. Man U or Arsenal. Any behaviour that represents the club poorly is severely dealt with. Yes but if my boss told me I was not wanted and he would try and force me out even though he was tied into paying me a highly paid contract - I wouldn't give a toss about slagging him off. Rudi's done the right thing in letting us know how Lowe's been acting, the more that's out in the open the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inoffthepost Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 What do you all expect to hear when Lee Molyneux has just been brought in (almost inevitably on lower money), to replace him. Skacel knows this of course and needs to generate a bit of interest in his services. Of course what could, and probably should, happen is that Skacel moves forward to midfield to increase our options. Oh wait a minute, we hit a Dyer like scenario. Bye bye Rudi. I'd like to thank you for your services but really you've been a bit of a let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 and this idea of leaving the senior players to rot and playing 9 kids has got us to 2nd from bottom. Duh. Lowe has saved a few thousand and brought us to the risk of relegation and bankruptcy. Also the missing 5,000 would have covered the senior players game day wages if they had played. It is all a monumentally stupid plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 (edited) Rudi's done the right thing in letting us know how Lowe's been acting, the more that's out in the open the better. people keep saying the more we know the better but how does this (not really) new found knowledge help improve our current situation? I'm not disputing things are fooked but the world knowing it too does not improve things one iota as far as I can see. Skacel has been badly treated IMO but I won't shed a tear if and when he leaves. Edited 6 January, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Ask yourself this do you want to rely on a player that clearly doesn't want to be here, in this crucial relegation battle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 people keep saying the more we know the better but how does this (not really) new found knowledge help improve our current situation? I'm not disputing things are fooked but the world knowing it too does not improve things one iota as far as I can see. Surely the more information the shareholders/banks have, the better descision they can make about who is best at running the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I want them to tell the truth, if the club is the shambles we all think it is then the more people that speak out the better. If you cannot figure out by now the depth of our financial problems by now, is there really any point no matter who comes out and paints everything as black as the ace of spades? Skacel is still here because he would not take a massive pay cut to go to Ipswich, which all of a sudden has given him an uber fan status amongst the players? More likely Skacels salary is nigh on the equivalent of all the youth players he plays alongside and you are holding this muppet out to be a shining example? As for the other idiots muttering that Lowe has no business in trying to force Skacel out, that is exactly what the chairman should be doing when we are in this predicament. No wonder "head up his arse, and do FA Crouch" is so popuplar with the idiots on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 he'd get my respect is he actually bothered to get fit and stopped diving You`d get respect if you didn`t post this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Ask yourself this do you want to rely on a player that clearly doesn't want to be here, in this crucial relegation battle? Yes, I want Rudi. But I want him under a new manager and our Director of F**kball to buy some more MEN to play along side him.... but then I suppose Rudi might want to stay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Yes but if my boss told me I was not wanted and he would try and force me out even though he was tied into paying me a highly paid contract - I wouldn't give a toss about slagging him off. Rudi's done the right thing in letting us know how Lowe's been acting, the more that's out in the open the better. Abso-bleedin-lutely... Lets hope more players of all ages come out and help expose the clueless management we are all having to endure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 If you cannot figure out by now the depth of our financial problems by now, is there really any point no matter who comes out and paints everything as black as the ace of spades? Skacel is still here because he would not take a massive pay cut to go to Ipswich, which all of a sudden has given him an uber fan status amongst the players? More likely Skacels salary is nigh on the equivalent of all the youth players he plays alongside and you are holding this muppet out to be a shining example? As for the other idiots muttering that Lowe has no business in trying to force Skacel out, that is exactly what the chairman should be doing when we are in this predicament. No wonder "head up his arse, and do FA Crouch" is so popuplar with the idiots on here. Because sticking Skacel in the reserves has really worked a treat hasn't it? I have no problem with them trying to sell Skacel, but as he decided to stay we should have tried to get the best out of him, not try and let him rot. Maybe if we had a decent manager and with a bit of encouragement we would have got the best out of him and someone would offer some cash for him now. You must be completely thick if you think Lowe has handled this well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 [/b] Abso-bleedin-lutely... Lets hope more players of all ages come out and help expose the clueless management we are all having to endure. Hang on a minute....! Might be a bit embarrassing if the players started to protest before the fans dont you think...!? DUH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I wonder if Rudi will be fined by the club because of theese comments ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Hang on a minute....! Might be a bit embarrassing if the players started to protest before the fans dont you think...!? DUH! We are embarrassing enough already, so makes little difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 We are embarrassing enough already, so makes little difference. LOL - I was agreeing with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 LOL - I was agreeing with you Yeah i know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I wonder if Rudi will be fined by the club because of theese comments ? Perhaps we could afford a couple of injured kids with the fine money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Isnt the clubs allowed to fine a player like 2 weeks wages if you do something really bad - like a stupid red card ? I´ll bet Rudi in that case just has lost £16k for saying the truth..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Tell you what's more worrying about this though. The unseen impact on bringing in other professional - experienced - players in this window. But I guess Rudi just told us - along with Stern John - that that wasnt going to happen anyway, we are so heading SOUTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Surely the more information the shareholders/banks have, the better descision they can make about who is best at running the club? I hope the shareholders and banks have a more reliable and educated source of information than a footballer from the Czech Republic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Paul Wotton I understand, let rip at everybody, at Burnley, I believe at half time. If so, seems to have worked. He was suspended for two weeks and was supposed to be training at Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I hope the shareholders and banks have a more reliable and educated source of information than a footballer from the Czech Republic.... What the OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 So then, no mention of the fact that he pulled the plug on a move to Ipswich because they wouldn't match his wage demands??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 If you cannot figure out by now the depth of our financial problems by now, is there really any point no matter who comes out and paints everything as black as the ace of spades? Skacel is still here because he would not take a massive pay cut to go to Ipswich, which all of a sudden has given him an uber fan status amongst the players? More likely Skacels salary is nigh on the equivalent of all the youth players he plays alongside and you are holding this muppet out to be a shining example? As for the other idiots muttering that Lowe has no business in trying to force Skacel out, that is exactly what the chairman should be doing when we are in this predicament. No wonder "head up his arse, and do FA Crouch" is so popuplar with the idiots on here. But he didn't sell him so the intelligent thing to have done would have been to play him as he's going to get paid anyway. It would appear, like your pin up Rupert, that you're not too clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 So then, no mention of the fact that he pulled the plug on a move to Ipswich because they wouldn't match his wage demands??? But why should any player move to another club for lower wages than he's getting. Would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Well, I posted on earlier Rudi threads in the summer that he has been a letdown (mind you, he didn't ask to be bought for 1.7M did he???)...but... WELL DONE RUDI - TRUE SAINT FOR ME FROM NOW ON. All public declarations showing the contempt being shown by the inept, unprofessional, illogical, pompous, irrational, egotistical dickheads in charge is only to be welcomed. Rudi, I wish you well on your future endeavours, wherever that may be. One thing though, before you go, please kindly kick Rupert in the ****** for me. Ta x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 been very busy today and only just caught up with this thread. With both Wotton and Skacel, by different means, expressing major dis-satisfaction with the club management i think it has signed our trip to Division 3. I cannot see any senior players wanting to come here on loan to a club in complete turmoil. I see of the lowe brigade are uttering comments about not wanting them here, and we are better off without them. Utter rubbish we could do with 4 more experienced players and we might then just have a chance of escaping but they could fill smug as we pass our way sideways , backwards and to relegation. 11 conference players with a british manager would put up more of a fight than lowes babies led by the dutch, never achieved anything in management, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 So then, no mention of the fact that he pulled the plug on a move to Ipswich because they wouldn't match his wage demands??? what is wrong with that , just basic common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 So then, no mention of the fact that he pulled the plug on a move to Ipswich because they wouldn't match his wage demands??? Hardly Rudi's fault Mike Wilde and Mike's Execs were offering daft money in 2006. Would you take the same level job on 25% of the money? I would take quite a bit less if the organisation was in trouble but Rudi may get a better offer for his services this month. Says a lot about Wilde's ability to run a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Why are people surprised by what he has said? It was obvious that we were desperate for Ipswich to buy him (allegedly for £1million) as he was the only senior player we seemingly received a bid for, then he refused to go because they wouldn't match his ludicrously large Southampton salary. So Rupert attempted to force his hand by trying to freeze him out, then, when it became clear he wasn't going they decided to let him play and earn his keep. I don't see where the issue is - football is a tough business. Also, I still think he is wildly overrated and most of those that rave about him on here seem to come from faraway places where (I'm generalising a little, before you all point out you travel across the world for every home game) and don't watch him every week. As a deadball specialist he makes Idiakez look missed and looks no better than all our much maligned lads in their first senior season despite his wage and experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 been very busy today and only just caught up with this thread. With both Wotton and Skacel, by different means, expressing major dis-satisfaction with the club management i think it has signed our trip to Division 3. I cannot see any senior players wanting to come here on loan to a club in complete turmoil. I see of the lowe brigade are uttering comments about not wanting them here, and we are better off without them. Utter rubbish we could do with 4 more experienced players and we might then just have a chance of escaping but they could fill smug as we pass our way sideways , backwards and to relegation. 11 conference players with a british manager would put up more of a fight than lowes babies led by the dutch, never achieved anything in management, Spot on Mike. Wotton is an awful player and didn't express his frustrations at Plymouth particularly well but fair play to him for speaking up and giving a toss and having the balls to speak up. Pity that either Wotte or Rupert felt the need to pay him more than Plymouth had been. More wasted money, nice job lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 looks no better than all our much maligned lads in their first senior season despite his wage and experience Absolute tosh! He's head and shoulders better than most of the players around him and along with Perry and Davis was one of the main reasons we weren't facing a cricket score against us Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Why are people surprised by what he has said? It was obvious that we were desperate for Ipswich to buy him (allegedly for £1million) as he was the only senior player we seemingly received a bid for, then he refused to go because they wouldn't match his ludicrously large Southampton salary. So Rupert attempted to force his hand by trying to freeze him out, then, when it became clear he wasn't going they decided to let him play and earn his keep. I don't see where the issue is - football is a tough business. Also, I still think he is wildly overrated and most of those that rave about him on here seem to come from faraway places where (I'm generalising a little, before you all point out you travel across the world for every home game) and don't watch him every week. As a deadball specialist he makes Idiakez look missed and looks no better than all our much maligned lads in their first senior season despite his wage and experience I think the issue is that Lowe has forced our manager to use our best midfielder (Surman) and a kid who's not ready, at left back while Skacel's been sat there doing naff all. It may have excaped your notice but while this has been happening the team has been playing ****e and look like getting relegated. Lowe hasn't saved the club a penny, he has made the managers job harder, reduced the quality of the team and demotivated a player who could potentially be very usefull, and possibly with the right man management could have hit his Hearts form and been sold this Jan for a half decent amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I have never figured out why Wotton was signed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I think the issue is that Lowe has forced our manager to use our best midfielder (Surman) and a kid who's not ready, at left back while Skacel's been sat there doing naff all. It may have excaped your notice but while this has been happening the team has been playing ****e and look like getting relegated. Lowe hasn't saved the club a penny, he has made the managers job harder, reduced the quality of the team and demotivated a player who could potentially be very usefull, and possibly with the right man management could have hit his Hearts form and been sold this Jan for a half decent amount. A better post than Calamari one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I have never figured out why Wotton was signed! Rupert probably looked on Football Manager or whatever it is now and thought Wotton had good stats. Just like Sturrock had good LMA stats or Delgado had good stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 the top says burley first saw him play LB....could have been that he saw him play twice there...the lad has even said he has only played it a couple of times... not a LB..probably does not like playing LB and no wonder he is ****ed off Happy to be corrected on this. Of course it does not matter since JP does not play traditional full backs in his 'total football' formation. Funnily enough I still hope that it comes good for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 shame. Rudi is just starting to find a bit of form i think. Not spectacualr but hes doing a good enough job and may be able to chip in with the old goal or two, but perhaps need to be played higher up the pitch. If we are to survive we cannot afford to lose any more experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I still don't believe Skacel looks any better than anyone else in our team, but that wasn't the issue. We had to, and still need to, get one of our biggest earners off the books. It wasn't a footballing decision but a financial one because of our desperate need for cash. It really is as simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I think the issue is that Lowe has forced our manager to use our best midfielder (Surman) and a kid who's not ready, at left back while Skacel's been sat there doing naff all. It may have excaped your notice but while this has been happening the team has been playing ****e and look like getting relegated. Lowe hasn't saved the club a penny, he has made the managers job harder, reduced the quality of the team and demotivated a player who could potentially be very usefull, and possibly with the right man management could have hit his Hearts form and been sold this Jan for a half decent amount. That sums it up nicely. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 But why should any player move to another club for lower wages than he's getting. Would you? Doesn't exactly fit with his claim that he is up for a new challenge though does it? And the article says that he has found himself at left back this season??? Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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