Arizona Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Fair play to the bloke too for getting his head down and playing pretty well. If Rupert said basically you can either f**k off or not play, it would be very easy just to stick two fingers up and say fine, I'll sit in the reserves and take my wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 sack him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 He was bought by Rangers as a left back and played by Burley out of position - but it worked so he stayed there. GB tried to recreate that here but Rudi failed to deliver (just shows scottish football struggles to match even CCC football south of the obrder imho. I think he was badly treated here after GB left (and just before) so I cannot blame him for wanting out but how he has held his place these last few games is beyond me! oh god..here we go again he was not a LB was never a LB..have provided the link so many times it is untrue where he said he has only played LB once or twice in his career before burley put him there at saints when bale left/// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Fair play to the bloke too for getting his head down and playing pretty well. If Rupert said basically you can either f**k off or not play, it would be very easy just to stick two fingers up and say fine, I'll sit in the reserves and take my wages. Agreed, Rudi is 10 times more professional than Rupert or any of our boards since 2004 will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Rudi & Kevin are our last links with real world football and they are both class acts. I woldn't blame eithet of them for moving on now. With at least 4 ex-Saints in their line-up, Stoke have, if only temporarily reminded us all of just how far the Club but not it's ex-stars have fallen away from the premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 This article has confirmed a lot of things. If Rudi leaves, I wont blame him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9020 about half way down..he states that LB (at the time) was a new position for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Rudi & Kevin are our last links with real world football and they are both class acts. I woldn't blame eithet of them for moving on now. With at least 4 ex-Saints in their line-up, Stoke have, if only temporarily reminded us all of just how far the Club but not it's ex-stars have fallen away from the premiership. The form Kelvin has been in, he's probably the most attractive player for other clubs. Not sure he'll be here by end of Jan. Watch the 6,7 and 8 goal hammerings regularly arrive away from home. Actually, we'd have lost 6 or 7-0 at home to Blackpool but for some wonder saves from Kelvin and him and Perry saved at least 3 certain goals V Man U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 He'll probably get a lot of stick on here but the truth always hurts think he has shown better character recently than I expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I am not doubting that happened - its obvious it did, I just can't get my head round why we would be such dicks. Why not say "Rudi we are fooked so we really need to sell you if we can. Its nothing personel we just can't afford you. Until we find a buyer we very much wouod like you to play." Which of course is almost certainly exactly what did happen and not in any way contradicted by this partial, translated article. Indeed I assume that Rudi can read and it is certainly what the club said on umpteen occasions on the website and in press releases! Please do slag Saints off at every conceivable opportunity. It is after all why most of the people in this thread are on the forum but al least base it on something real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Can't say I blame him. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_4755953,00.html Gonna stick for this but as I've always maintained rudi is a very overated player, looks unfit and and un-motivated, If its clear he doesn't want to be here fighting for the cause then he shouldn't be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Gonna stick for this but as I've always maintained rudi is a very overated player, looks unfit and and un-motivated, If its clear he doesn't want to be here fighting for the cause then he shouldn't be here It was not his fault he was hyped up to be the Messiah - yes at times he looks unfit but un-motivated then you havn't been anywhere St Marys in the last 17 games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 oh god..here we go again he was not a LB was never a LB..have provided the link so many times it is untrue where he said he has only played LB once or twice in his career before burley put him there at saints when bale left/// http://sport.scotsman.com/spl/Hearts-agree-Skacel-price-with.2660071.jp http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?p=1889171 seem to remember interviews /articles saying both. Actually think he is best with a similar player e.g. Bale / Surman who can defend and attack so they become interchangeable. At the moment he has no-one he can overlap with as no cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 He has had some good games don't get me wrong, but if you balance it out across the season he is average at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Bit wary of opening this particular can of worms but it does show that Rupert is totally unsuited to any sort of people management role. JP and Wotte should have been the people having the conversations with Rudi, if Lowe doesn't trust them to do it he shouldn't have recruited them in the first place. This is 100% Lowe's mess - Rudi is quite right to speak out and I urge the remaning senior players if they care about SFC's survival to do so as well and really finish off Rupert once and for all. As for Wilde - if you do happen to read this you are a disgrace for bringing this man back into our club. Paul Wooton has spoken up against the club and has now been bombed out. I spoke to him after man u game He said no one is allowed to speak against the club or they are out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 OS says LB was new position for him so that must be wrong! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9020 The Czech was loaned out to Greek club Panathinaikos last season and spent most of the time at left-back. Hearts boss George Burley, named manager of the month, said: "I was aware Rudi is versatile, can play anywhere on the left and play in the centre of midfield. "Rudi played at left-back a lot last season for Panathinaikos and his strength is his energy, he loves joining in and has a role in the team where he is allowed to do that. "It is about trying to get the best out of everybody and Rudi has enjoyed having that little bit of freedom on the left-hand side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 http://sport.scotsman.com/spl/Hearts-agree-Skacel-price-with.2660071.jp http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?p=1889171 seem to remember interviews /articles saying both. Actually think he is best with a similar player e.g. Bale / Surman who can defend and attack so they become interchangeable. At the moment he has no-one he can overlap with as no cover the top says burley first saw him play LB....could have been that he saw him play twice there...the lad has even said he has only played it a couple of times... not a LB..probably does not like playing LB and no wonder he is ****ed off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 He played a strange game on Sunday at times - I think he's already gone I thought he played well - but when he came over to applaud the Northam/ Kingsland it looked to me as though he was saying goodbye - pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Paul Wooton has spoken up against the club and has now been bombed out. I spoke to him after man u game He said no one is allowed to speak against the club or they are out I wish he'd go public with the real reason he left quicker than you can say revolutionary dutch football. Do ya reckon he's allready signed a NDA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Paul Wooton has spoken up against the club and has now been bombed out. I spoke to him after man u game He said no one is allowed to speak against the club or they are out This goes for other staff as well just ask Graham Hiley, Woggy, Liz coley!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 He has had some good games don't get me wrong, but if you balance it out across the season he is average at best Actually, accross the first half of this season, I'd say he has been one of our best players. He's been consistent if nothing else. You could say the same last season, and the season before he was probably our best midfielder, even if he hasn't lived up to the hype. If we lose Skacel, Perry and Davis from this team, we lose all grip on reality IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 This goes for other staff as well just ask Graham Hiley, Woggy, Liz coley!! Time for us to give Lowe some s h i t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 This goes for other staff as well just ask Graham Hiley, Woggy, Liz coley!! Malcolm Webster also disappeared without any mention on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 This player had the opportunity to leave last summer when the writing was very much on the wall for his future here and he turned the chance down because no one was prepared to match the wages he's on at SFC - now he wants out after his transfer value has shrunk to next-to-nothing and we've been paying him £8k a week for very little return . An object lesson in the perils of financially fragile football clubs giving players long 'big money' contracts which they can't really afford . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I like rudi. He's playing well this season. Theres no doubt hes been mis managed - hes playing left back and he used to play pretty much upfront for hearts! BUT This is one side of a story. He was in the reserves while he wanted to go to ipswich but they didnt offer him the money he wanted. We were stuck with him and probably thought might as well play him if we're paying him. Fully expect him to go in Jan. Clearly the guy is on big money. RL wanted shot for obvious reasons and exerted pressure for him to go. JP made it clear (to the best of my recollection) that he was not picking Rudi at the start of the season because he wanted to focus on the players he expected to be here, but that if Rudi was here when the window closed he would be considered/selected. There is nothing sinister here, and probably nothing different to what happens in clubs up and down the country to varying degrees. Our cicumstances are perhaps more extreme, leading to additional pressure. We probably want him to go now for the very same reasons, and have signed a replacement on a fraction of what he gets paid. Thats the economics of the situation we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Which of course is almost certainly exactly what did happen and not in any way contradicted by this partial, translated article. Indeed I assume that Rudi can read and it is certainly what the club said on umpteen occasions on the website and in press releases! Please do slag Saints off at every conceivable opportunity. It is after all why most of the people in this thread are on the forum but al least base it on something real! I think you mistake me for someone else. I spend most of my days trying to put some positivity, balance and realism on this forum against a constant barrage of anti everything. I think you've attacked the wrong guy, try again there are quite literally 100s of other posters to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Oh god. One of our best players on Sunday. Oh god. When will it ever get better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 oh, and his role is left back. HTH Rudi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Paul Wooton has spoken up against the club and has now been bombed out. I spoke to him after man u game He said no one is allowed to speak against the club or they are out Too ****ing right, do you actually want highly paid employees/players speaking out against the club that pays them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Too ****ing right, do you actually want highly paid employees/players speaking out against the club that pays them? so..wotton has been sent away for speaking out...what did he say as I missed it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Too ****ing right, do you actually want highly paid employees/players speaking out against the club that pays them? Or perhaps giving an experienced players opinion on the disaster happening at sfc at the moment... Yes i do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 why are we treated the older more experienced players with a total lack of respect..? its nothing to do with age its to do with wages. old and cheap is good,old and expensive not good according to lowe anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 so..wotton has been sent away for speaking out...what did he say as I missed it..? He told me he spoke out on the goings on at the club and was bombed out, i thought it was to Brighton but he said it isn`t but he does not know where yet. Another case of "pay a player but don`t play him"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Too ****ing right, do you actually want highly paid employees/players speaking out against the club that pays them? I agree with you there Chez, in that at any Club the manager has to be the top man and no player should be talking out of line. The board should always back the manager over a player (as Lawrie was backed a number of times during his tenure). BUT what it does show is that there is some disunity and unrest in the dressing room which is very worrying and often ends up eating up any club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 He told me he spoke out on the goings on at the club and was bombed out, i thought it was to Brighton but he said it isn`t but he does not know where yet. Another case of "pay a player but don`t play him"... speak out to....if he was bombed out for having an opinion on team affairs without it going public then ****S ME.... im sure that happens up and down the land at all levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I agree with you there Chez, in that at any Club the manager has to be the top man and no player should be talking out of line. The board should always back the manager over a player (as Lawrie was backed a number of times during his tenure). BUT what it does show is that there is some disunity and unrest in the dressing room which is very worrying and often ends up eating up any club. He clearly isn`t top man though is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I agree with you there Chez, in that at any Club the manager has to be the top man and no player should be talking out of line. The board should always back the manager over a player (as Lawrie was backed a number of times during his tenure). BUT what it does show is that there is some disunity and unrest in the dressing room which is very worrying and often ends up eating up any club. My thoughts exactly. For Rudi to attack the Club's policy of playing 9 nippas so blatantly is pretty worrying. JP hasnt just lost the fans - he's losing his experience. It just gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 speak out to....if he was bombed out for having an opinion on team affairs without it going public then ****S ME.... im sure that happens up and down the land at all levels He said no one is allowed to speak out against the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Skacel AND Wotton... who's next to speak out? Davies or Perry? Afterall - they're our only men left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Just show's what a complete ****ing shambles SFC is at the moment. "Last summer they told me that if I didn't leave I wouldn't be playing. And then at one point they moved me from the reserves to the first team." So basically, just as many of us thought, Lowe froze Skacel out of the team to try and force him to leave. Jan was forced to play Surman and that 12 year old Mills at left back when we had Skacel sat there doing naff all. Another great piece of interference from Lowe - making the manager's job even harder. Jan doesn't stand chance with ****** like this stopping him doing his job properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Skacel AND Wotton... who's next to speak out? Davies or Perry? Afterall - they're our only men left. Stern John Told me that Lowe wanted all the senior players gone. Thomas told me Lowe was trying to sell him... With GR,SJ,PW,and now soon to be RS it seems he is begining to get his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Too ****ing right, do you actually want highly paid employees/players speaking out against the club that pays them? Yes - because it illustrates the disunity at the club. And allows us to make reasoned judgement as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Stern John Told me that Lowe wanted all the senior players gone. Thomas told me Lowe was trying to sell him... With GR,SJ,PW,and now soon to be RS it seems he is begining to get his way. I'm sure that is true. Absolutely true. We're going down. I promise you - we're going down to League 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Too ****ing right, do you actually want highly paid employees/players speaking out against the club that pays them? I want them to tell the truth, if the club is the shambles we all think it is then the more people that speak out the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Clearly the guy is on big money. RL wanted shot for obvious reasons and exerted pressure for him to go. JP made it clear (to the best of my recollection) that he was not picking Rudi at the start of the season because he wanted to focus on the players he expected to be here, but that if Rudi was here when the window closed he would be considered/selected. There is nothing sinister here, and probably nothing different to what happens in clubs up and down the country to varying degrees. Our cicumstances are perhaps more extreme, leading to additional pressure. We probably want him to go now for the very same reasons, and have signed a replacement on a fraction of what he gets paid. Thats the economics of the situation we are in. A sensible post at last! thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I want them to tell the truth, if the club is the shambles we all think it is then the more people that speak out the better. why, will things improve as a result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Paul Wooton has spoken up against the club and has now been bombed out. I spoke to him after man u game He said no one is allowed to speak against the club or they are out Now why doesn't that surprise me at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 why, will things improve as a result? They just might. Besides they could hardly get any worse could they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I'd have a lot more respect for Skacel's words if he had come anywhere close to showing the kind of form he had with Hearts in playing for us: but he never has, not even when he first came here. A few flashes of it here and there, but let's face it, he has been an inconsistent disappointment. And what do big name players who fail to live up to exp[ectations do? They ***** and moan about the club, the manager, the system, anything to suggest hat it isn't their fault. And they push for a move away. No surprise to see Skacel saying what hwe is saying. Nor does it give any useful insight into the team's problems. Why not cite Surmans positive outlook instead? Which is right, Surman wanting to stay or Skacel wanting to go? Why not cite Alex Ferguson's characterisation of us as a good team going through hard times, but doing the right thing in playing our youngsters and playing them the right way? Franky, Skacel is a disloyal jerk for shooting his mouth off the way he has ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I want them to tell the truth, if the club is the shambles we all think it is then the more people that speak out the better. Try slagging your boss off in the newspapers or down the pub and see how long you last with a job!! You have to get real - look at any other club, e.g. Man U or Arsenal. Any behaviour that represents the club poorly is severely dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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