Big Ron fan Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Can't say I blame him. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_4755953,00.html
devon saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 He'll probably get a lot of stick on here but the truth always hurts
Arizona Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Yep, 4 year deal. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=7240
Harry Faz Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Last summer they told me that if I didn't leave I wouldn't be playing. And then at one point they moved me from the reserves to the first team. "I have played in 17 games in a row. I don't know what kind of role is that. "Suddenly they wanted me to play, so I have been playing. Its no real suprise is it, doesnt seem that we have done much to get Rudi to buy into our 'experiment'. poor management again !
Weston Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Thought he had a 4 year deal. Oh well... Sky are wrong he signed a 4 year deal in 2006
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 why are we treated the older more experienced players with a total lack of respect..?
Big Ron fan Posted 6 January, 2009 Author Posted 6 January, 2009 Last summer they told me that if I didn't leave I wouldn't be playing. And then at one point they moved me from the reserves to the first team. "I have played in 17 games in a row. I don't know what kind of role is that. "Suddenly they wanted me to play, so I have been playing. Its no real suprise is it, doesnt seem that we have done much to get Rudi to buy into our 'experiment'. poor management again ! Indeed. Same with most of the other more experienced players it seems.
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 I've never been a fan but he was treated like absolute **** at the start of the season and I can't blame him for taking any offer put in front of him.
Mike8272 Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Don't blame him as we do need more experience than we have right now.
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Yep, 4 year deal. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?mode=movenav&page_id=7240 maybe it was one of those 3 years plus an option of another 1 sort of deal?
Give it to Ron Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 why are we treated the older more experienced players with a total lack of respect..? To get them out of the club....as told to me by one of the senior players!
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 why are we treated the older more experienced players with a total lack of respect..? Clueless management from boardroom to coaching staff.
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 To get them out of the club....as told to me by one of the senior players! what sort of message does that send out....? the more of these sort of stories the more I am coming off of the fence about lowe being here this time...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 To get them out of the club....as told to me by one of the senior players! I have been told this by 3 players now..
St Marco Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Feel sorry for players like him John and Rasiak etc.. We treated them like ****. I still fail to believe all of jans signings (how many now 8?) cost less then 1 of those players.
John B Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 why are we treated the older more experienced players with a total lack of respect..? I would have thought that as the club were in financial difficulty because of paying large wages to a number of players they would have explained the situation to the players involved. If we had been able to sell Skacel Rasiak and SAGA we would have been in a better situation. Why side with overpaid players who did not perform us after the play offs.
Arizona Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 maybe it was one of those 3 years plus an option of another 1 sort of deal? Pretty sure it would have said that if it was the case. I think Sky have just got their dates wrong. Can't blame any of our pros from wanting out I guess. Makes you wonder who will be around come September though. BWP, Davis, Euell, Killer, Perry and John all out of contract. Rasiak likely to be sold, ditto Saga and Skacel. Wotton wants out. I think that leaves Wayne Thomas then, er 24 year old Gillett? as our most senior player. If I was one of our senior players, I'd want out too. It seems the club are doing anything possible to discredit them. All the rumours and stories pre-season about players like Skacel and John not wanting to be here. I'd go whilst I still have a little dignity.
Wildgoose Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Really disheartening, it feels like the club is totally clueless. Even if it's because of lack of finances there is a right way to treat the players, like being honest with them for starters!!!
Give it to Ron Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 what sort of message does that send out....? the more of these sort of stories the more I am coming off of the fence about lowe being here this time... Its true mate although I won't say who but he wanted to play at that time but was told he wasn't wanted anymore - how is that for motivation?
Big Ron fan Posted 6 January, 2009 Author Posted 6 January, 2009 Shame, would like him to stay. Understand the club wanting or needing to sell such players, but not saying go or don't play. Have to utilise such players while they're here as every point counts. As many of us said early in the season.
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 i know he has not been the best signing and not trying to make out he is superb..but to treat a senior pro like that is terrible IMO
Big Ron fan Posted 6 January, 2009 Author Posted 6 January, 2009 i know he has not been the best signing and not trying to make out he is superb..but to treat a senior pro like that is terrible IMO Imagine how Stern must feel after his heroics last season then!
spyinthesky Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Most of us welcomed Rudi's transfer to the club from Hearts. In my view he has never justified the £1.7m or so we are reported to have paid for him. That said he has been one of our better performers this year altho he would have been of far greater value left side of midfield rather than at LB. However both he and Lloyd James have suffered by lack of support from those playing in front of him. On Sunday Rudi was, justifiably, having a go at the bench about lack of cover down his side in the 2nd half. The Manager just shrugged his shoulders!!!!!
Yate Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Can't blame him because he is 100% correct. We need to keep him though as I dont think we can afford to lose any more experience in that side, unless of course we can bring in some more.
Greenridge Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Not a great advert for the Club for other players considering coming here. I hate all the 'ITK' stuff so didn't post it at the time but Rudi played golf at Stoneham with a good friend of mine and he told him that RL had categorically told him if he didn't leave he wouldn't play. Ironically he was recalled a week or so after this so I would have looked a plonker if I had posted it but this seems to reinforce that message although of course Rudi is the source in both cases.
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Can't blame any of our pros from wanting out I guess. Makes you wonder who will be around come September though. BWP, Davis, Euell, Killer, Perry and John all out of contract. Rasiak likely to be sold, ditto Saga and Skacel. Wotton wants out. I think that leaves Wayne Thomas then, er 24 year old Gillett? as our most senior player. with all those players gone will that free up sufficient funds to get the quality young players we need? Mind you will we spend it wisely...I doubt it.
Harry Faz Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 This is what i dont get. Yes we have to rely on a number of youngsters - as financially we have no option, but why arent we bringing in /utilising properley the experience that weve already got and we need to give us a chance. Kids on their own just arent going to do it, they need some experience with them. So by paying Rudi ,and at the same time treating him as an unwanted goods, we are just shooting ourselves in the foot. Why isnt Jan looking to Rudi as an experienced pro , to help bring on the youngsters - thus getting more value out of him?
del boy Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 He played a strange game on Sunday at times - I think he's already gone
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Not a great advert for the Club for other players considering coming here. I hate all the 'ITK' stuff so didn't post it at the time but Rudi played golf at Stoneham with a good friend of mine and he told him that RL had categorically told him if he didn't leave he wouldn't play. Ironically he was recalled a week or so after this so I would have looked a plonker if I had posted it but this seems to reinforce that message although of course Rudi is the source in both cases. I am not doubting that happened - its obvious it did, I just can't get my head round why we would be such dicks. Why not say "Rudi we are fooked so we really need to sell you if we can. Its nothing personel we just can't afford you. Until we find a buyer we very much wouod like you to play."
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 He played a strange game on Sunday at times - I think he's already gone strange - please explain?
Katalinic Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 I am not doubting that happened - its obvious it did, I just can't get my head round why we would be such dicks. Why not say "Rudi we are fooked so we really need to sell you if we can. Its nothing personel we just can't afford you. Until we find a buyer we very much wouod like you to play." It' simple - Lowe has no idea how to treat people.
eurosaint Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Really disheartening, it feels like the club is totally clueless. Even if it's because of lack of finances there is a right way to treat the players, like being honest with them for starters!!! Not Rupert's policy mate, same with the fans (sorry customers), being honest is not high on his agenda I'm afraid !
del boy Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 strange - please explain? A couple of times when he wandered upfield he seemed to freeze and the game passed him by - he didnt look too bothered about whether he was involved or not. He seems to be a waste of talent of almost Fernandes proportions.
MongoNeil Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 what sort of message does that send out....? the more of these sort of stories the more I am coming off of the fence about lowe being here this time... Ditto. I was interested to see how Lowe's experiment panned out, but it's clear by now that it's just not working. Stories like this, and we know this is true as we all saw that Rudi was dropped at the start of the season, just seem inexcusable. I feel that we are continuing to pursue the experiment just for the sake of it, to the detriment of our club.
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 A couple of times when he wandered upfield he seemed to freeze and the game passed him by - he didnt look too bothered about whether he was involved or not. He seems to be a waste of talent of almost Fernandes proportions. He clearly hates playing left back, especially when there is no one playing in front of him.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Not a great advert for the Club for other players considering coming here. I hate all the 'ITK' stuff so didn't post it at the time but Rudi played golf at Stoneham with a good friend of mine and he told him that RL had categorically told him if he didn't leave he wouldn't play. Ironically he was recalled a week or so after this so I would have looked a plonker if I had posted it but this seems to reinforce that message although of course Rudi is the source in both cases. I believe this story and have heard similar which sort of negates Jan's claim that he picks the team 100%.
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 what is more sad..is when fans on here like adrians say "what else do you expect"... better than all of this to be honest.
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 It's indicative of what many of us have always suspected about Lowe and his lack of man-management skills.
derry Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Not a great advert for the Club for other players considering coming here. I hate all the 'ITK' stuff so didn't post it at the time but Rudi played golf at Stoneham with a good friend of mine and he told him that RL had categorically told him if he didn't leave he wouldn't play. Ironically he was recalled a week or so after this so I would have looked a plonker if I had posted it but this seems to reinforce that message although of course Rudi is the source in both cases. This was posted on here at the time he wasn't picked right at the start of the season. He was told if he didn't go to Ipswich, he wouldnt play for us again. This was rejected by many on here maybe they would like to comment now.
krissyboy31 Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Not Rupert's policy mate, same with the fans (sorry customers), being honest is not high on his agenda I'm afraid ! It's called respect. Rupert doesn't seem to show much of that to either his employees or his customers. No wonder we're up sh!t creek.
up and away Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Feel sorry for players like him John and Rasiak etc.. We treated them like ****. I still fail to believe all of jans signings (how many now 8?) cost less then 1 of those players. Let's all keep them and go into administration then? Of course the club should be doing everything they possibly can to get rid of them, rather than that alternative. Let's go out and find some cheap experienced pro's to go along with the youth players then. But they are as thick on the ground as hens teeth, even then we would get outbid by a League 1 side. Very easy to come up with a cure outside of reality, maybe if you had complained a bit more when we were ****ing all this against the wall, it would have made some difference.
Mowgli Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 I like rudi. He's playing well this season. Theres no doubt hes been mis managed - hes playing left back and he used to play pretty much upfront for hearts! BUT This is one side of a story. He was in the reserves while he wanted to go to ipswich but they didnt offer him the money he wanted. We were stuck with him and probably thought might as well play him if we're paying him. Fully expect him to go in Jan. He was bought by Rangers as a left back and played by Burley out of position - but it worked so he stayed there. GB tried to recreate that here but Rudi failed to deliver (just shows scottish football struggles to match even CCC football south of the obrder imho. I think he was badly treated here after GB left (and just before) so I cannot blame him for wanting out but how he has held his place these last few games is beyond me!
paris Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 After watching Sundays match i agree with him 100% ,it's a sad state of affairs from top to bottom to say the least...
trousers Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 Let's all keep them and go into administration then? Two words: False Economy
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 can't remember where I heard this, and have no idea if its true but I was under the impression that he agreed to have his contract adjusted to less wages and to expire this summer so he could play. I.e. no appearance fee
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Posted 6 January, 2009 I believe this story and have heard similar which sort of negates Jan's claim that he picks the team 100%. Bit wary of opening this particular can of worms but it does show that Rupert is totally unsuited to any sort of people management role. JP and Wotte should have been the people having the conversations with Rudi, if Lowe doesn't trust them to do it he shouldn't have recruited them in the first place. This is 100% Lowe's mess - Rudi is quite right to speak out and I urge the remaning senior players if they care about SFC's survival to do so as well and really finish off Rupert once and for all. As for Wilde - if you do happen to read this you are a disgrace for bringing this man back into our club.
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