Friction between Koeman and some of the players according to The MoS

[Bewildered]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3520912/Dusan-Tadic-pondering-away-Southampton-Ronald-Koeman-s-abrasive-management-style.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

Story primarily focuses on Tadic considering his future with the club because he feels like Koeman does not treat him fairly. However, it goes on to say that JWP and Mané, among others that Joe Bernstein doesn't name, are also unhappy with Koeman because they feel he has undermined their confidence.

[brett24]

Got a feeling that is a load of rubbish.

[Deano6]

I'll admit that I've probably undermined JWP's confidence too, by repeatedly saying he's not very good and doesn't contribute much to a game. Sorry James, no offence, I'm sure you're playing to the best of your limited ability.

[Pamplemousse]

No source mentioned at all.

[angelman]

Starting a bit early aren't they? Usually wait until a bit later in April if not May, don't they?

[BlakeySFC]

Ahh the Daily Fail starting early this year.

[Chalkboy]

Those prone to conspiracy theories could say it's perfectly timed to generate some disruption in the dressing room just ahead of the Leicester game.

[GarrettIvo]

Yeah you could really see the hate they hold for each other after that win against Liverpool the other week. That huge group embrace was full of tension.

[Leslie Charteris]

"Ronald Koeman has a demanding style which is said to have rubbed some players up the wrong way"

 

Good and tough titty (if true, of course).

[CB Fry]

Those prone to conspiracy theories could say it's perfectly timed to generate some disruption in the dressing room just ahead of the Leicester game.

 

 

Surely the Mail doesn't want Leicester to win the league, they'll be doing all they can to stop that so a big team wins right? That was last year's conspiracy when we were challenging the top four anyway.

[Miltonaggro]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3520912/Dusan-Tadic-pondering-away-Southampton-Ronald-Koeman-s-abrasive-management-style.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

Story primarily focuses on Tadic considering his future with the club because he feels like Koeman does not treat him fairly. However, it goes on to say that JWP and Mané, among others that Joe Bernstein doesn't name, are also unhappy with Koeman because they feel he has undermined their confidence.

 

You couldn't make it up! Oh I see, they have... C*nts

[doddisalegend]

"Ronald Koeman has a demanding style which is said to have rubbed some players up the wrong way"

 

Good and tough titty (if true, of course).

 

yes god forbid these highly paid wallflowers should be asked to give everything for the cause. I'd much rather have a manager who lets the players get away with what ever they want to keep them happy.

Edited 3 April, 2016 by doddisalegend

[Shroppie]

It really is apathetic attempt to rock a very steady and happy boat.

 

Rather than favouring Leicester, more likely we're too close to challenging for a Euro place, at the expense of The Scousers or even Manure.

 

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[Dig Dig]

It really is apathetic attempt to rock a very steady and happy boat.

 

Rather than favouring Leicester, more likely we're too close to challenging for a Euro place, at the expense of The Scousers or even Manure.

 

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An attempt from who?

[Batman]

It really is apathetic attempt to rock a very steady and happy boat.

 

Rather than favouring Leicester, more likely we're too close to challenging for a Euro place, at the expense of The Scousers or even Manure.

 

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just paper talk. we get it very little these days, after the start of last season.

 

Tadic has been terrible for large parts of this season and is no way an 'upgrade' on lallana, as stated by many last year

mane is a spoilt brat. if he thinks he is a Man United level player, he needs help....maybe in the future but not right now

Edited 3 April, 2016 by Batman

[Shroppie]

An attempt from who?

The Mail. No idea why, but they clearly enjoy stirring it with Saints, either of their own accord or on behalf of friends at "big" clubs.

 

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[Batman]

The Mail. No idea why, but they clearly enjoy stirring it with Saints, either of their own accord or on behalf of friends at "big" clubs.

 

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it is called 'the media'

no stirring it, just our turn on a huge fixture in the league. we get 'it' very little from those hacks. Summer 2014 an exception

[Dalek2003]

"Ronald Koeman has a demanding style which is said to have rubbed some players up the wrong way"

 

Good and tough titty (if true, of course).

 

Agreed. If they can't stand the heat, they need to get out of the kitchen.

[simo]

Those prone to conspiracy theories could say it's perfectly timed to generate some disruption in the dressing room just ahead of the Leicester game.

 

Its the same before every big game lately , mane and wanyama before Liverpool and united games and the Koeman stories before the arsenal game!

[sammysaint]

Two back up players who are not performing and probably not good enough to start for us now we are trying to push into the top 6 and with the return of Jay Rod Austin and what looks like a revised Mane, they problay will not be starting anytime soon.

 

However I assume it is not true.

[david in sweden]

This story may be a load of misinformation aimed to unsettle, and I can believe there are one ot two who are a bit disappointed, but you can only field 11 at a time.

 

At the end of the season, it's the manager who is judged by the results - not the players. Those who do well intraing have to be even better on match days, and of course it's equally obvious that you pick a side to play those opponents you have on the day....next week you may need a different strategy.

 

Yes - a lot of players are pretty consistant and it's difficult to dislodge them....but if a particular player is doing well, you don't drop him just to please someone else.

 

True - a few are a bit " in-and-out " (and not always through suspension) but if there is no " on-form replacement " - you don't change things for the sake of it.

[david in sweden]

"Ronald Koeman has a demanding style which is said to have rubbed some players up the wrong way"

 

Good and tough titty (if true, of course).

 

AGREED - but primarily it's up to them to improve themselves, and not by crocking someone else in training.

[fez]

Why should happiness and solidarity among the players be affected by a newspaper story? Would an otherwise contented player read the MoS and say 'Oh dear, I see there's discontent in the squad, I'm going to join the unrest'?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

A news rag article full of speculation and making 2 + 2 = 5

Why bother reading this stuff?

[Chez]

Players not in the side are going to be unhappy, but I doubt they are unhappy due to the manager being demanding.

 

Personally I think Mane was lucky not to have been dropped earlier. RK gave him plenty of time to find his form, but eventually he had to drop him. I can imagine being dropped for being late will have caused some friction. With regards to Tadic and JWP, Koeman is a little erratic in his selection policy, which would effect confidence.

 

In short, this article seems very plausible, but also pretty normal. When we start reading about friction between manager and board, then we might need to worry.

[Sheaf Saint]

Why should happiness and solidarity among the players be affected by a newspaper story? Would an otherwise contented player read the MoS and say 'Oh dear, I see there's discontent in the squad, I'm going to join the unrest'?

 

Exactly. Its clearly just drivel.

 

And regarding Tadic, I think Ron does treat him fairly in the sense that he is not good enough to be starting every game for a PL club chasing a potential Champions League place. He occasionally shows quality but tends to go missing for huge chunks of games and doesn't contribute enough defensively.

[Batman]

if we had a fully fit squad, tadic would do well to make the bench

[ALWAYS_SFC]

if we had a fully fit squad, tadic would do well to make the bench

 

Possibly, but who would you have on bench instead

Don't say jay rod as he is a alternative to the strikers Pelle,long Austin

[david in sweden]

Exactly. Its clearly just drivel.

 

And regarding Tadic, I think Ron does treat him fairly in the sense that he is not good enough to be starting every game for a PL club chasing a potential Champions League place. He occasionally shows quality but tends to go missing for huge chunks of games and doesn't contribute enough defensively.

 

Take heed....a good guide to form.....is coming off the bench and ending up being Man of the Match....

[Batman]

Possibly, but who would you have on bench instead

Don't say jay rod as he is a alternative to the strikers Pelle,long Austin

 

if everyone is fit. this would be my team

Tadic has been way off the boil and when put in the side of late, been way off the boil again.

Ron is right to leave him out. Like he did with Mane. Like he finally did with Pelle and look how he has come back.

If many thinks he should be starting every week, then he needs to be far more consistent than he has been

 

 

 

Forster

 

Martina (why cedric has been frozen out, I have no idea but martina has the shirt)

Fonte

VvD

Bertrand

 

Vic

Rom

Davis

 

Mane

Long

Pelle

 

 

Stek, Targett, Yoshida, JwP, Clasie, Austin, Rodriguez

[Saint Charlie]

Probably the source is Tadic's/JWP agent to see what inerest there is in the player because they don't play much.

 

Daily Mail won't just be sat making this stuff up. Its probably not true but someone with an interest in doing so will have informed them it is.

 

Could even be club PR trying to put other teams off Koeman or because they know he will leave and are softening the blow.

 

All agenda driven in some form, and the agenda isn't from the newspaper.

[david in sweden]

if everyone is fit. this would be my team

Tadic has been way off the boil and when put in the side of late, been way off the boil again.

Ron is right to leave him out. Like he did with Mane. Like he finally did with Pelle and look how he has come back.

If many thinks he should be starting every week, then he needs to be far more consistent than he has been

 

 

 

Forster

 

Martina (why cedric has been frozen out, I have no idea but martina has the shirt)

Fonte

VvD

Bertrand

 

Vic

Rom

Davis

 

Mane

Long

Pelle

 

Stek, Targett, Yoshida, JwP, Clasie, Austin, Rodriguez

 

that might look good (today)

but it puts a lot of pressure on Steven Davis as the only creative midfielder (you also have to pick either Clasie or JWP)...and althouh Pelle and Mane have hit form again, ......a fit Austin and Jay Rod will put a lot of pressure on Mane and Pelle......(that's what Koeman calls " competition for places" ) - and that's the way it should be..

 

but in all this debate ..there is still no place for Tadic....in your selection, or mine either.

[Roger]

that might look good (today)

but it puts a lot of pressure on Steven Davis as the only creative midfielder (you also have to pick either Clasie or JWP)...and althouh Pelle and Mane have hit form again, ......a fit Austin and Jay Rod will put a lot of pressure on Mane and Pelle......(that's what Koeman calls " competition for places" ) - and that's the way it should be..

 

but in all this debate ..there is still no place for Tadic....in your selection, or mine either.

 

Remind me other than free kicks how jwp has qualified to be creative?

[Graffito]

To the extent that there's a grain of truth in the article (probably Tadic sounding off as he did about being excluded from the national team), I'm encouraged. Demanding manager, almost fully fit squad, possibility of European football next season, some players not happy about being more involved. All positive isn't it? Contrast with Villa where players don't want to play and nobody gives a stuff.

[beatlesaint]

So if this is to be believed Tadic isnt happy with treatment from the National team or his club then ?

Umm, ok

[simo]

The sun has also came out with stories that Chelsea and Barca are looking at Forster and the Fa want Dave watson full time (City also interested in him too) !

[OldNick]

I would think the bigger problem is the friction between RK and Les, that I have been told about.

[RobM]

To the extent that there's a grain of truth in the article (probably Tadic sounding off as he did about being excluded from the national team), I'm encouraged. Demanding manager, almost fully fit squad, possibility of European football next season, some players not happy about being more involved. All positive isn't it? Contrast with Villa where players don't want to play and nobody gives a stuff.

 

3 players in and out the team potentially not that happy about it? GOOD!

 

Sums up my opinion. No surprise that three players who haven't been on-form throughout the entire season, who haven't demanded a first team place and haven't performed well enough when they were picked, are slightly annoyed at the guy picking the team.

 

Funny that nobody who plays week-in, week-out and performs well has a problem. And no surprise at the timing of this, just before the end of the season when transfer activity steps up a notch.

 

IMO, this is all entirely normal. It's not news.

[BognorSaint76]

Those prone to conspiracy theories could say it's perfectly timed to generate some disruption in the dressing room just ahead of the Leicester game.

 

Conspiracy theory about the Saints from the Daily Fail who at one time had a "love in" with Cortese et al? Surely not

Edited 3 April, 2016 by BognorSaint76

[austsaint]

just paper talk. we get it very little these days, after the start of last season.

 

Tadic has been terrible for large parts of this season and is no way an 'upgrade' on lallana, as stated by many last year

mane is a spoilt brat. if he thinks he is a Man United level player, he needs help....maybe in the future but not right now

 

I think you're right about Tadic - he really has failed to sustain the promising start to his Saints career and comes across as a whinger. I don't see how Sadio's a spoilt brat; there seems to be a few different stories circulating about the late note stuff and Ron's continued reluctance to play Mane in the past 6-7 weeks has hurt the side's attacking qualities. The guy is top shelf and is easily up to Man U, Chelsea etc. As for JWP; his confidence levels seem greater than his abilities and if anything he should be thanking Ron for his continued opportunities not criticising him .

[VectisSaint]

Not surprised at all, think its fairly obvious that not everything has been sweetness and light in the camp this season. Does it cause me any concern, no not really. Surprised that the article didn't mention Cedric, Vic, Juanmi and even Gaston for that matter. Ron comes across as an abrasive character sometimes (witness his press conferences) but the players mentioned need to look at themselves first, Tadic, serial moaner, and upset at the slightest thing, gets more game time than he really deserves.

[Batman]

if tadic starts/comes on today. lets see him change the game. lets see his make a difference

[david in sweden]

Remind me other than free kicks how jwp has qualified to be creative?

 

you're obviously someone expecting far more from JWP than he has shown so far...but it's enlightening to see that even Beckham (aged 21) took 3 years to get a regular spot at Man U after his debut, and his goal scoring exploits didn't make the Guiness Book of Records, at the time, either.

 

The fact that JWP has played almost 20 England U21 games, and is team captain surely shows than more people have confidence in him than some on here.

 

Since Schneiderlin's departure, we haven't found a good balance in midfield, but I don't put the blame on JWP for that.

[Batman]

you're obviously someone expecting far more from JWP than he has shown so far...but it's enlightening to see that even Beckham (aged 21) took 3 years to get a regular spot at Man U after his debut, and his goal scoring exploits didn't make the Guiness Book of Records, at the time, either.

 

The fact that JWP has played a couple of dozen England U21 games and is team captain surely shows than more people have confidence in him than some on here.

 

Since Schneiderlin's departure, we haven't found a good balance in midfield, but I don't put the blame on JWP for that.

 

getting a regular spot at united back then in that position was a standard way beyond anything we have

and quite frankly an utterly stupid comparison. Beckham was a permanent fixture for a title winning united by the age of 20

 

david prutton had oodles of U21 caps...how did he turn out?

Edited 3 April, 2016 by Batman

[Roger]

you're obviously someone expecting far more from JWP than he has shown so far...but it's enlightening to see that even Beckham (aged 21) took 3 years to get a regular spot at Man U after his debut, and his goal scoring exploits didn't make the Guiness Book of Records, at the time, either.

 

The fact that JWP has played almost 20 England U21 games, and is team captain surely shows than more people have confidence in him than some on here.

 

Since Schneiderlin's departure, we haven't found a good balance in midfield, but I don't put the blame on JWP for that.

 

Madness to compare with beckham. Easy to get in the u21s these days. How many goals has he scored or made in his last 120 games for us? If guess under 10 combined. If that's creative then God help us.

[Saint_clark]

just paper talk. we get it very little these days, after the start of last season.

 

Tadic has been terrible for large parts of this season and is no way an 'upgrade' on lallana, as stated by many last year

mane is a spoilt brat. if he thinks he is a Man United level player, he needs help....maybe in the future but not right now

 

What's a Man United level player nowadays? Mane is definitely good enough to get in their team right now.

[hypochondriac]

A news rag article full of speculation and making 2 + 2 = 5

Why bother reading this stuff?

 

Agreed. We should assess each story based on the headline and if we don't like what we see then we should go no further.

[hypochondriac]

Not surprised at all, think its fairly obvious that not everything has been sweetness and light in the camp this season. Does it cause me any concern, no not really. Surprised that the article didn't mention Cedric, Vic, Juanmi and even Gaston for that matter. Ron comes across as an abrasive character sometimes (witness his press conferences) but the players mentioned need to look at themselves first, Tadic, serial moaner, and upset at the slightest thing, gets more game time than he really deserves.

 

Agreed with all that. I would say particularly during the big slump earlier in the season which was getting to crisis point before we hauled ourselves out of it with some excellent form. There is probably some truth in this article but I agree the players are responsible first a d we have had some good results so you can't complain about koeman.

[david in sweden]

getting a regular spot at united back then in that position was a standard way beyond anything we have

and quite frankly an utterly stupid comparison. Beckham was a permanent fixture for a title winning united by the age of 20

 

david prutton had oodles of U21 caps...how did he turn out?

 

....Like all emerging players being in a team playing alongside lots of top international players ....of course he looked good.

 

..(and I'm certainly not going to attempt to defend David Prutton... that's no comparison).

[DuncanRG]

In which a player who's not in the team gets his people to rock the boat a little in an attempt to spook the manager.

 

No conspiracy from outside the club - it's Tadic and/or his representatives playing politics, by the looks of things. Remember his comments about the Serbia manager.