Toadhall Saint Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 France banned all alcohol advertising (at one stage, not sure about now) so when Liverpool were playing there (vs Marseille Sept 2008 Champions League), they couldn't have Carlsberg emblazoned across their chests. I know that adverts for alcohol cannot have anyone in that appears to be under 25, so no doubt there is something about it on kids shirts. Guess you could look at Everton and see what their junior shirts look like. EDIT - Here it is: http://evertondirect.evertonfc.com/stores/everton/en/products/kitselector/everton-home-kit-2015-16/261 Junior is blank, as is WBA's kids one http://www.wbashop.co.uk/WBA-HOME-SHIRT-CHILD-1516 The same should be applied to betting firms then as I'm sure the legal age is 16 - but I could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Seems to be a lot of thoughts about a betting company being the next sponsor for some reason. Are many betting companies left who don't sponsor already? Guess there could be some in countries we just don't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyOldBoy Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Beer companies, betting companies etc. Absolutely true. Anything that U18s can't participate in, basically. which is totally pointless because 14-17 year olds wear adult size small to medium usually.... Gambling should not appear on football shirts that are marketed to U18s and since adult shirts are , then it should not be allowed... in my most humble of opinions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 France banned all alcohol advertising (at one stage, not sure about now) so when Liverpool were playing there (vs Marseille Sept 2008 Champions League), they couldn't have Carlsberg emblazoned across their chests. I know that adverts for alcohol cannot have anyone in that appears to be under 25, so no doubt there is something about it on kids shirts. Guess you could look at Everton and see what their junior shirts look like. EDIT - Here it is: http://evertondirect.evertonfc.com/stores/everton/en/products/kitselector/everton-home-kit-2015-16/261 Junior is blank, as is WBA's kids one http://www.wbashop.co.uk/WBA-HOME-SHIRT-CHILD-1516 Newcastle also couldn't have the Newcastle Brown logo on their shirts when they played Metz (Ginola scored a screamer). Everton's kids' shirts have been blank since Chang took over. I recall Newport's kids' shirts didn't have Bet365 on them a couple of years ago, they had a local kids' charity on them instead. More a matter of avoiding faux parental outrage than anything, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 The money from shirt sponsorship is so small compared to the TV deal it would be great if we had a charity on our shirts. If we go corporate no gambling and no Wonga types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 The same should be applied to betting firms then as I'm sure the legal age is 16 - but I could be wrong There are laws about directly advertising alcohol to kids, not sure the same regulations apply to gambling as it's different legislation - the clubs don't want the bad publicity anyway and self-regulate on the matter. While we're on the subject, Saints haven't had a sponsor on the Academy kit since Cortese was rumoured to have swiftly renegotiated the one-year deal with aap3 for a second year, which suddenly didn't include shirt sponsorship of the academy kit on the adidas plain red kit, even though it had with the Umbro aap3 shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 The money from shirt sponsorship is so small compared to the TV deal it would be great if we had a charity on our shirts. If we go corporate no gambling and no Wonga types. Why no gambling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Didn't Garmin used to shirt sponsor Boro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Weird obsession with no gambling on the shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Weird obsession with no gambling on the shirt Not weird at all- gambling, alcohol, cigarettes, Wonga type etc.. All social norms that ruin/kills lives and I wouldn't want us to be associated with it. In addition, seeing as our shirt sponsor will barely be part of our overall revenue I would more than be happy to have a charity, local company representing us, heck, I wouldn't complain if Veho continued sponsoring us. However- maybe a shirt sponsor is important for us to reach other parts of the world- read the other day that Leicester's shirts all sold out in Thaliand- ofc having Thai owners and Thai sponsors on shirt helps- but would also be potentially good if we had for example, a US sponsor, and that in turn leads to increased revenue from America- for me a growing fan base more important than the revenue from it anyway- but I guess both go hand in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Why no gambling? Because I find the constant bombardment of encouragement to gamble distasteful. Purely personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Not weird at all- gambling, alcohol, cigarettes, Wonga type etc.. All social norms that ruin/kills lives and I wouldn't want us to be associated with it. In addition, seeing as our shirt sponsor will barely be part of our overall revenue I would more than be happy to have a charity, local company representing us, heck, I wouldn't complain if Veho continued sponsoring us. However- maybe a shirt sponsor is important for us to reach other parts of the world- read the other day that Leicester's shirts all sold out in Thaliand- ofc having Thai owners and Thai sponsors on shirt helps- but would also be potentially good if we had for example, a US sponsor, and that in turn leads to increased revenue from America- for me a growing fan base more important than the revenue from it anyway- but I guess both go hand in hand. Loads of things can kill and ruin people's lives, on that basis you wouldn't have cars or food sponsoring us either. Gambling ads are non-stop on every single live game coverage on tv, not going to make any difference if they're on our shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Best hope we don't get a deal with Coca Cola either then http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3414263/Mum-addicted-Coke-drinks-SIX-LITRES.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Because I find the constant bombardment of encouragement to gamble distasteful. Purely personal. Totally agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Because I find the constant bombardment of encouragement to gamble distasteful. Purely personal. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 30 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 30 March, 2016 I can't understand the argument that some are bringing out about it being so small compared to TV money. If that is your argument, why then charge for tickets (although I personally would have advocated a reduction on all already over priced tickets). Seems that some have little idea how business works!! But say that it is inconsequential, rather than not having a fee paying shirt sponsor, why not have a paying shirt sponsor and subsidise tickets with that. 19 x 32,000 = 608000. Say you get £5m, that's the equivalent of £8.22 off every ticket or £156 off a season ticket. Or about 8.5% of the wage bill (2014/15 excluding the cost of cancelling contracts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 Didn't Garmin used to shirt sponsor Boro? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 I can't understand the argument that some are bringing out about it being so small compared to TV money. If that is your argument, why then charge for tickets (although I personally would have advocated a reduction on all already over priced tickets). Seems that some have little idea how business works!! But say that it is inconsequential, rather than not having a fee paying shirt sponsor, why not have a paying shirt sponsor and subsidise tickets with that. 19 x 32,000 = 608000. Say you get £5m, that's the equivalent of £8.22 off every ticket or £156 off a season ticket. Or about 8.5% of the wage bill (2014/15 excluding the cost of cancelling contracts) The long and short of it is that the tv money levels the playing field a fair bit because it gives £100m to pretty much everyone and previously the only way to get that kind of money was to win the Champions League, but there's still some benefit in trying to get a financial edge on all the teams with similar income, and frankly as long as it's not exploitative I'm all in favour of the club trying to maximise their revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 I'd be surprised if it wasn't a US company. The whole push for the club with the academy and Under Armour deal has been around the US market. Also I suspect (actually hope) the value of the Veho deal included a tie up for revenue and growth share. Why not Under Armour as shirt sponsors as well as kit suppliers? Is that allowed? If we are getting cira £50M for the kit deal, sure we could get £5M for sponsorship on top? I have recently made a modest share investment in UA and the bumf I got as a result seems to suggest they what to up their image in European "soccer" big time and particularly PL. Right now they only have Spurs I believe but they hope to announce 10 to 15 more deals in Europe for next season - us being one of them (for the kit deal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 1 April, 2016 Share Posted 1 April, 2016 Why not Under Armour as shirt sponsors as well as kit suppliers? Is that allowed? If we are getting cira £50M for the kit deal, sure we could get £5M for sponsorship on top? I have recently made a modest share investment in UA and the bumf I got as a result seems to suggest they what to up their image in European "soccer" big time and particularly PL. Right now they only have Spurs I believe but they hope to announce 10 to 15 more deals in Europe for next season - us being one of them (for the kit deal). Not likely to happen as a shirt sponsor is additional money. As for the size of the new kit deal, we were making our own shirts a season ago so a £50m shirt deal for us might be a little bit ambitious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 1 April, 2016 Share Posted 1 April, 2016 Best hope we don't get a deal with Coca Cola either then http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3414263/Mum-addicted-Coke-drinks-SIX-LITRES.html And to think she was 'Miss Portsmouth' last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 1 April, 2016 Share Posted 1 April, 2016 I did hear Verizon were looking at a few options , would work well I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 April, 2016 Share Posted 1 April, 2016 Why not Under Armour as shirt sponsors as well as kit suppliers? Is that allowed? Bolton had Reebok on their Reebok shirts in the Reebok Stadium for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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