Average % attendance to stadium capacity

[saintquin]

Sorry couldn't do all 92 clubs on one link.

 

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Don't know if 93% full is good or bad for were we are or, what % from full is down to the away team not selling their full allocation.

 

To think not so long ago Wigan, Coventry and Barnsley were in the Prem now only average mid to low 30%.

 

I know % full is respective to size of ground but surely poopsmuff must be higher than that!

[angelman]

I thought Man City had a capacity of 60,000

[The9]

The figures are cobblers anyway, some of them are just wrong. Newport's capacity for football is 7850, not 11676 which moves them up about 7 places and puts them at about 33%.

[sandwichsaint]

The figures are cobblers anyway, some of them are just wrong. Newport's capacity for football is 7850, not 11676 which moves them up about 7 places and puts them at about 33%.

 

Fine margins.

[suewhistle]

Presumably Portsmouth's figures will improve?

 

Bits of the ground will start to be closed for safety reasons, and then they'll move to Barton's Road...

[hutch]

So many ways to sneak another stadium expansion thread in under the radar

[southbourne saint]

I asked if there were any plans for a stadium expansion at the recent forum. Ralph gave a very definite no and stated that it was not financially viable at the moment as we are not significantly over subscribed.

[brmbrm]

I'd say 93% is pretty good

 

I'd also say the OP needs to learn how to post proper links etc

 

I'd also also say that i haven't a clue how to do that and am not the person to advise.

[mrfahaji]

I'd say 93% was pretty poor actually. The only Premier League teams below us are WBA, Sunderland and Aston Villa, the three clubs probably known for playing the worst football in the league. I suppose you could make a case as to why we are in this spot - the only close comparable is Leicester and it's not exactly a normal season for them (assuming this is data for this year?), but I can certainly see why these figures don't support an expansion.

 

As much as it pains me to say it, 16k and 80% is a pretty good showing in League Two to be honest...

[Saint Charlie]

93% is very poor especially when there are so many season ticket holders and we have a competitive team.

[saint si]

93% just means we have got our pricing structure just about right for our current capacity. i.e. on average it is almost a sell out, and we have to balance what we charge for the most attractive fixtures versus the least attractive.

 

Plus there is no way we would be able to get 32689 for every match with segregation and unsold away allocations.

[tajjuk]

Seems about right and to be honest with the TV money, income from attendance seems less and less important these days.

[The9]

93% is very poor especially when there are so many season ticket holders and we have a competitive team.

 

It isn't poor at all, it merely reflects segregation and often the away section not being filled.

 

Saints sometimes only have a week or two to shift Block 43 or 44 when teams decide not to take full away allocations, and sometimes this is after the home capacity is already a sell out - Newcastle being a recent example. It's much more difficult to sell tickets when casual purchasers have already been told there aren't any left once.

 

Also, as I said, the figures aren't accurate. That's not even the capacity any more (it was 32505 in the Prem handbook last season) so the percentage should be higher.

 

The record attendance is also lower than the theoretical capacity, being 32363 for the last match of the Championship promotion season.

Edited 24 March, 2016 by The9

[eelpie]

Sorry couldn't do all 92 clubs on one link.

 

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http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/daib0/media/General%20Football/next-20_zpsihicwmrp.jpg.html

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Don't know if 93% full is good or bad for were we are or, what % from full is down to the away team not selling their full allocation.

 

To think not so long ago Wigan, Coventry and Barnsley were in the Prem now only average mid to low 30%

 

I know % full is respective to size of ground but surely poopsmuff must be higher than that!

 

Was that similar to us when were in League 1, and before relegation in the Championship?

[Nordic Saint]

The9 is right. Those stats are not very accurate as the officially stated capacity of many stadiums they are using, like St Mary's, is far bigger than the number of seats actually available.

 

The most telling stat is that Saints have averaged in excess of 30,000 every top flight season at St Mary's, and over 90% of capacity every top flight season since the 1980s. In contrast, until 2002, Pompey had never averaged in excess of 75% of their capacity in their entire history.

[The9]

Was that similar to us when were in League 1, and before relegation in the Championship?

 

We were getting over 20,000 in League One and the lowest was about 18,000 in the Championship relegation/admin/"Lowe Boycott " season, still well over 50%.

[The9]

I thought Man City had a capacity of 60,000

 

That's been increased since the start of the season, which makes it even more difficult to work out for the lazy-ass who actually put this together because it splits the figures across (at least) two capacities. They couldn't even be sodded to check if some of the figures were actually the capacity (as I mentioned, Rodney Parade holds 4,000 fewer for football than rugby due to the safety certificate), so no point expecting miracles...

[eelpie]

We were getting over 20,000 in League One and the lowest was about 18,000 in the Championship relegation/admin/"Lowe Boycott " season, still well over 50%.

 

All things considered that wasn't too bad. I thought the atmosphere in the stadium during our League 1 spell was pretty good, especially heading towards promotion.

[Window Cleaner]

We were getting over 20,000 in League One and the lowest was about 18,000 in the Championship relegation/admin/"Lowe Boycott " season, still well over 50%.

 

Ah no, I think you'll find upon checking that we had a fair few gates under 15000 in the relegation season and maybe one or two under 14000. I went to a game when the place was over half empty and the atmosphere was like a morgue. Sheffield Utd maybe. Could ba an average of about 18000 for that season I suppose.

[Monkou]

Think Nigeria might be winning....

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/25/diaster-avoided-nigeria-egypt

[Charlie Wayman]

A better way of looking at these statistics is to regard them as indicators of demand. Clubs at the top end of the list are clearly under-catering for demand whereas those at the bottom will never ever fill their grounds.

 

At 93% even in one of our best seasons ever, there is evidently a pretty good match between the present capacity of St Mary's and the likely turn out and will fuel comments by Kreugar and others that there are no foreseeable plans to increase the capacity of St Mary's; simply because their is no reason to increase it's capacity. It caters adequately for the present fan-base, diehards and arrivistes alike.

[VectisSaint]

A better way of looking at these statistics is to regard them as indicators of demand. Clubs at the top end of the list are clearly under-catering for demand whereas those at the bottom will never ever fill their grounds.

 

At 93% even in one of our best seasons ever, there is evidently a pretty good match between the present capacity of St Mary's and the likely turn out and will fuel comments by Kreugar and others that there are no foreseeable plans to increase the capacity of St Mary's; simply because their is no reason to increase it's capacity. It caters adequately for the present fan-base, diehards and arrivistes alike.

You should never rely on "averages" to determine whether your demand is greater than the current capacity. We have sold out several matches this season. Our average has been affected in a major way by two factors (1) 3 home games against unattractive opposition in 7 days in January and (2) the oddity of the West Ham game (why only 29k, did we think Fat Sam was still in charge?) in February. Otherwise we have been close to actual capacity (as opposed to the advertised capacity) in almost every other game since September. Average attendance is an odd stat, because of course you can never have a bigger than capacity attendance to boost the average, whereas one or two low attendances can have a significant affect over 14 or 15 games. Suggests to me that we could in fact sell more tickets for a substantial %age of our matches (including a higher away supporter allocation), but probably not enough to warrant a new tier on one of the 3 extendable sides, hence the club's understandable reluctance to expand.

[nta786]

You should never rely on "averages" to determine whether your demand is greater than the current capacity. We have sold out several matches this season. Our average has been affected in a major way by two factors (1) 3 home games against unattractive opposition in 7 days in January and (2) the oddity of the West Ham game (why only 29k, did we think Fat Sam was still in charge?) in February. Otherwise we have been close to actual capacity (as opposed to the advertised capacity) in almost every other game since September. Average attendance is an odd stat, because of course you can never have a bigger than capacity attendance to boost the average, whereas one or two low attendances can have a significant affect over 14 or 15 games. Suggests to me that we could in fact sell more tickets for a substantial %age of our matches (including a higher away supporter allocation), but probably not enough to warrant a new tier on one of the 3 extendable sides, hence the club's understandable reluctance to expand.

 

Is there any proof of this? Is this definitely true, that our stadium is expandable?

Which 3 sides are we talking btw? My guess would be Northam, Kingsland and Chapel.

[CB Fry]

Is there any proof of this? Is this definitely true, that our stadium is expandable?

Which 3 sides are we talking btw? My guess would be Northam, Kingsland and Chapel.

 

Our stadium is expandable. Not sure what proof you want but it was said at the time we opened it/built it 15 odd years ago.

[VectisSaint]

Is there any proof of this? Is this definitely true, that our stadium is expandable?

Which 3 sides are we talking btw? My guess would be Northam, Kingsland and Chapel.

Correct, confirmed when the stadium was built (and many times since). Only the Itchen is not designed for expansion.

[The9]

Ah no, I think you'll find upon checking that we had a fair few gates under 15000 in the relegation season and maybe one or two under 14000. I went to a game when the place was over half empty and the atmosphere was like a morgue. Sheffield Utd maybe. Could ba an average of about 18000 for that season I suppose.

 

It was indeed average crowds based on the end of season figures.

 

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/soto.htm

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Southampton_F.C._season for the lowest attendances of 2008/9.

Edited 26 March, 2016 by The9

[mattyd]

You should never rely on "averages" to determine whether your demand is greater than the current capacity. We have sold out several matches this season. Our average has been affected in a major way by two factors (1) 3 home games against unattractive opposition in 7 days in January and (2) the oddity of the West Ham game (why only 29k, did we think Fat Sam was still in charge?) in February. Otherwise we have been close to actual capacity (as opposed to the advertised capacity) in almost every other game since September. Average attendance is an odd stat, because of course you can never have a bigger than capacity attendance to boost the average, whereas one or two low attendances can have a significant affect over 14 or 15 games. Suggests to me that we could in fact sell more tickets for a substantial %age of our matches (including a higher away supporter allocation), but probably not enough to warrant a new tier on one of the 3 extendable sides, hence the club's understandable reluctance to expand.

 

Mr Lowe wanted to build a 25k stadium when we only could get 15k at the Dell. Casual supporters are put off having to buy in advance and extra seats would soon sell out for many games. Nobody really knows what our maximum gate would be if facilities allowed.

[The9]

Mr Lowe wanted to build a 25k stadium when we only could get 15k at the Dell. Casual supporters are put off having to buy in advance and extra seats would soon sell out for many games. Nobody really knows what our maximum gate would be if facilities allowed.

 

We could only get 15k SEATED in the Dell in the 90s, but Saints had averaged more than 20k in every top division season from 1967 to 1983 and crowds in football overall were well up from '83 to the early 90s when the ground size was restricted, so it wasn't like there was no demand. Saints also had an ST waiting list for years.