JxgrSaint Posted 23 March, 2016 Share Posted 23 March, 2016 Insider buzz: #Saints are showing Ronald Koeman their intent to keep him away from superclubs' grasps | @DeanJonesBR Per Bleacher Report, we have outlined a new 5 year plan to become a major club to Koeman in an effort to get him to extend his contract, with a decision apparently expected before the end of the season - would be great if we could keep hold of him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2016 Share Posted 23 March, 2016 Dean Jones on the pulse as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 (edited) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/28/southampton-open-dialogue-to-extend-manager-ronald-koemans-contr/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3512944/Southampton-draw-five-year-blueprint-progression-bid-Ronald-Koeman.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-reveal-how-plan-keep-7644797 Edited 28 March, 2016 by goneawol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/28/southampton-open-dialogue-to-extend-manager-ronald-koemans-contr/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-reveal-how-plan-keep-7644797 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3512944/Southampton-draw-five-year-blueprint-progression-bid-Ronald-Koeman.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Intriguing, a new five year plan with some long term stuff that will surely start to reveal itself this summer in the transfer window, and youth signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 I hate all this newspaper stuff. The same thing happened when we sold Clyne and lost Toby etc. Part of me thinks we do it to try and show that we tried when they leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Hope RK remains,even if an extension to the existing contract for an additional rolling year so that we don't go into a season with the continual speculation of he's only staying for a season. Although he might covet a top job, with "an elite club2 (as described in one article), it begs the question whether in truth he has done enough for one of the CL elite to take a risk on him. Barcelona is probably his dream job, but they seem to be doing very well thanks so unlikely to change, where else ? Would he go elsewhere in Spain, possibly jeoparding his 'Barcelona dream' ? In England most of the bigger clubs - Arsenal, Chelsea for example, will want a proven CL experience. Perhaps the biggest risk to us might be the Dutch FA deciding for a clear out and putting in a new man, if they're unconvinced by Danny Blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 True, but we probably do try. Sadly if CL clubs come for players and managers it's going to be tough to keep them. Same way I've no doubt we've offered Wanyama a decent new deal but he will leave. Oh I have no problem with us trying, I just wish we would keep it out of the papers unless we are very confident of a positive outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 (edited) I hate all this newspaper stuff. The same thing happened when we sold Clyne and lost Toby etc. Part of me thinks we do it to try and show that we tried when they leave. I think that is part of it. And that's not necessarily bad - If we said nothing to the press then plenty on here would interpret that as the club not trying/dithering/doing nothing etc etc. Clearly we will treat Koeman like we did Clyne and the rest (and Victor this summer). No one is going into the final year if their contract. Sign, or go. Koeman could go either way - if he gets us to sixth then he may get a big offer but in all honesty I don't really know who he would get a job offer from that is "elite". The top six here are settled or won't go for him, and the other big European giants? Can't see it. Obviously Barcelona is the exception but that doesn't look likely this summer. Dutch national job is the other realistic opportunity but unlikely to be on the cards this summer. He might just want a change and to pootle off to a second tier CL/Europa club, and if he does good luck. I still think as I said before that he will sign an extension but he will only do the three seasons and then go. Likely a nice rolling contract. Edited 28 March, 2016 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Oh I have no problem with us trying, I just wish we would keep it out of the papers unless we are very confident of a positive outcome. Who says we don't try and keep it out of the papers, maybe we do. None of the above articles have any quotes, all pure speculation. However I will admit that the Clyne (when Les Reed said he was confident of new deal) and the Toby (where I think we resorted to media to save it) was a bit of a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Who says we don't try and keep it out of the papers, maybe we do. None of the above articles have any quotes, all pure speculation. However I will admit that the Clyne (when Les Reed said he was confident of new deal) and the Toby (where I think we resorted to media to save it) was a bit of a shambles. We clearly don't. The Clyne and Toby articles especially were plants to the journalists we usually leak stuff to. It's more likely than not that we have released this information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Wasn't there talk about us offering Poch a 5 year deal as well before he left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 I hate all this newspaper stuff. The same thing happened when we sold Clyne and lost Toby etc. Part of me thinks we do it to try and show that we tried when they leave. Surely if the club has tried you can't complain they can't force people to sign a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Surely if the club has tried you can't complain they can't force people to sign a new contract. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not complaining about the club trying, I'm complaining about when we release stuff to the media before anything has actually happened - and often before we get the outcome that we don't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Hopefully it works. If not its a nice club PR way of telling everyone they tried. Hope Koeman stays next season but if he decides (as he is perfectly entitled to) to run his contract down then that will be a delicate situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Hopefully it works. If not its a nice club PR way of telling everyone they tried. Hope Koeman stays next season but if he decides (as he is perfectly entitled to) to run his contract down then that will be a delicate situation. it will be a nightmare next season (media wise) if he stays and does not sign a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 it will be a nightmare next season (media wise) if he stays and does not sign a new deal. Yeah. Can you imagine the Sky reporter asking him about it for 10 minutes at the start of every press conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkou Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 As has already been said, would he really leave us for a job that was not Holland or Barca? Neither of those roles are likely to be open until the start of 18/19 season in my opinion. If Wenger leaves at the end of the season (not sure he will) then I suppose he might go to them but I would be surprised if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 As has already been said, would he really leave us for a job that was not Holland or Barca? Neither of those roles are likely to be open until the start of 18/19 season in my opinion. If Wenger leaves at the end of the season (not sure he will) then I suppose he might go to them but I would be surprised if he did. To be fair. Unless a mega job comes up like that. This is the best place for him. Putting himself up against Jose (probably), Pep, Klopp, Conte and the like. Arsenal is probably the only job on the horizon. Year after next maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 5 million a year should keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 As has already been said, would he really leave us for a job that was not Holland or Barca? Neither of those roles are likely to be open until the start of 18/19 season in my opinion. If Wenger leaves at the end of the season (not sure he will) then I suppose he might go to them but I would be surprised if he did. I'd offer him a 5 year deal NOW with a get out clause that if either of 2 jobs of his choosing to be named now (I'd also assume the Holland or Barcelona jobs but maybe he has other ideas) become available in that time he can apply with our blessing. Anything else he's ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 I'd offer him a 5 year deal NOW with a get out clause that if either of 2 jobs of his choosing to be named now (I'd also assume the Holland or Barcelona jobs but maybe he has other ideas) become available in that time he can apply with our blessing. Anything else he's ours. Which he wouldn't sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 How about offering a 2 or 3 year extension with a Barca/Holland release clause? I think that he may go for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 I think he will have one eye on what Arsenal are doing too, next summer if not this. I think he likes being in England and would be interested in any title/CL qualifying side here if/when they come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 How about offering a 2 or 3 year extension with a Barca/Holland release clause? I think that he may go for that. why would he? Arsenal, united or god knows what may come up in the next year or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Hopefully it works. If not its a nice club PR way of telling everyone they tried. Hope Koeman stays next season but if he decides (as he is perfectly entitled to) to run his contract down then that will be a delicate situation. The club will not let that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 (edited) The club will not let that happen. Reckon if Ron wants to see out his contract we will fire him? I don't see how they could without being perceived to be mad or lacking ambition i.e can't keep a Manager for more than 2 seasons. He has always been pretty up front about the fact he will honour his deal so would be quite dishonourable of us to give him grief for it. Edited 29 March, 2016 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 I think he will have one eye on what Arsenal are doing too, next summer if not this. I think he likes being in England and would be interested in any title/CL qualifying side here if/when they come up. Do you think he would be considered by Arsenal or a club in the title/CL qualifying range then ? Whilst RK has been good for us, I suspect any club in the Aresenal/CL bracket will be looking for more success from a candidate and possiblty CL managerial experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 I suspect any club in the Aresenal/CL bracket will be looking for more success from a candidate and possiblty CL managerial experience. Koeman managed Ajax (1/4 finals), Benfica (1/4 finals), PSV (1/4 finals), Valencia and Feyenoord in the CL though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Reckon if Ron wants to see out his contract we will fire him? I don't see how they could without being perceived to be mad or lacking ambition i.e can't keep a Manager for more than 2 seasons. He has always been pretty up front about the fact he will honour his deal so would be quite dishonourable of us to give him grief for it. We won't let his contract run down is what I am saying. One of the options in the negotiation would be to let him go if we can't resolve his contract. It wouldn't be "dishonourable" or be "giving him grief" if he says he doesn't want to commit to the club beyond next season and we pay up his contract, ie honouring it in full. Much the same with players, we don't want anyone with an eye on the exit for an entire season, and nothing suggests we won't treat Koeman in exactly the same way. If he doesn't want to give the players and the club the security that he is intending to stay longer, then it is in the clubs better interests to replace him with someone that does. Handshake, no hard feelings. We've had an astonishing run of brilliant managerial appointments since Pardew and one day we will employ a dud, but lets think we are capable of getting someone else in who can be as good. Koeman isn't going to be our manager forever, so you might as well start getting used to it. However, I have said several times that I think he will stay, but he will sign a rolling contract and more than likely go at the end of next summer anyway. But we will not drift into next season and week after week after week of contract questions at press conferences. Won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 why would he? Arsenal, united or god knows what may come up in the next year or two By that logic the club would be wasting their time trying to extend his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 By that logic the club would be wasting their time trying to extend his contract. he could just sign a contract with a huge salary. like most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 Who says we don't try and keep it out of the papers, maybe we do. None of the above articles have any quotes, all pure speculation If it is Jeremy Wilson at The Telegraph it's as reliable as reading it on the OS from recent experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 At least the result last night will keep the KNVB from having to knock on his door with their tails between their legs for a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 At least the result last night will keep the KNVB from having to knock on his door with their tails between their legs for a bit longer. Good job we paid the ref off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 30 March, 2016 Share Posted 30 March, 2016 At least the result last night will keep the KNVB from having to knock on his door with their tails between their legs for a bit longer. Can't imagine Koeman willing to sign a contract with the KNVB as long as Bert van Oostveen is in charge there. Koeman was ****ed off when van Oostveen chose Hiddink and he is not one who forgives or forgets. But as England failed to finish off the Dutch yesterday, we'll be stuck with Danny Blind for another year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 I'm not sure if anyone was listening to TalkSport last night but Stewart Robson and Darren Lewis were on with Mark Saggers, and they were talking about Neville. Then Robson said he was aware of at least one manager that he knows is putting himself forward to do more punditry in the hope that it would improve their chances of snaring a top job. I was in the other room so didn't hear the full extent of the conversation but from the snippet I heard I thought it could relate to Koeman. I know that it could be complete rubbish but the way it cropped up made it sound more ITK rather than speculating. Did anyone hear it in a more bit depth/detail than me?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 I'm not sure if anyone was listening to TalkSport last night but Stewart Robson and Darren Lewis were on with Mark Saggers, and they were talking about Neville. Then Robson said he was aware of at least one manager that he knows is putting himself forward to do more punditry in the hope that it would improve their chances of snaring a top job. I was in the other room so didn't hear the full extent of the conversation but from the snippet I heard I thought it could relate to Koeman. I know that it could be complete rubbish but the way it cropped up made it sound more ITK rather than speculating. Did anyone hear it in a more bit depth/detail than me?! No but I've heard a journalist say recently that it's well known Koeman is after a bigger job, and not necessarily Barcelona/Holland but simply a top 6 PL club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 (edited) Top 6 - can't see it being the Manchester clubs. Nor Spurs or Liverpool. So that would leave Chelsea and Arsenal, unless a vacancy comes at Spurs. Chelsea like to go for people who have won something major and Conte seems to be being lined up for that, although nothing is confirmed. So that leaves Arsenal. Not sure Arsenal are going to get rid of Wenger - I guess they might. They seem to have been very patient so far. I guess I get a little bored of all these players and managers just wanting to use us as a stepping stone, rather than have the ambition to take us as a club forward (as opposed to go to an established one). But then, I presume that is why they come to us in the first place. Edited 31 March, 2016 by angelman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 Arsenal next summer (at the end of his Saints contract) would appear logical unless they have someone else specifically lined up. Koeman's character and calmness would be well suited to taking over from a long term Manager. Would back him to not make the same mistakes Moyes and Van Gaal have in life since Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 I guess I get a little bored of all these players and managers just wanting to use us as a stepping stone, rather than have the ambition to take us as a club forward (as opposed to go to an established one). But then, I presume that is why they come to us in the first place. then, we shouldn't just sell our top players en-mass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 Arsenal next summer (at the end of his Saints contract) would appear logical unless they have someone else specifically lined up. Koeman's character and calmness would be well suited to taking over from a long term Manager. Would back him to not make the same mistakes Moyes and Van Gaal have in life since Ferguson. I think he'd be a good fit for Arsenal, would certainly work on their defensive organisation! As much as I like Koeman, I am hopeful that we could replace him with another capable manager. Sometimes changing the manager can help if they build on and tweak what has gone before rather than dismantling everything. After all, that's what Koeman did with us in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 Sometimes changing the manager can help if they build on and tweak what has gone before rather than dismantling everything. After all, that's what Koeman did with us in the first place. Strachan too to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Posted 31 March, 2016 Share Posted 31 March, 2016 I'm not sure if anyone was listening to TalkSport last night but Stewart Robson and Darren Lewis were on with Mark Saggers, and they were talking about Neville. Then Robson said he was aware of at least one manager that he knows is putting himself forward to do more punditry in the hope that it would improve their chances of snaring a top job. I was in the other room so didn't hear the full extent of the conversation but from the snippet I heard I thought it could relate to Koeman. I know that it could be complete rubbish but the way it cropped up made it sound more ITK rather than speculating. Did anyone hear it in a more bit depth/detail than me?! I heard that. I think he was referring to a lower league manager wanting a prem job. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 April, 2016 Share Posted 2 April, 2016 Koeman hasn't decided yet if he is staying or not. http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/southampton-boss-believes-his-team-has-a-crucial-role-to-play-in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 April, 2016 Share Posted 2 April, 2016 Koeman hasn't decided yet if he is staying or not. http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/southampton-boss-believes-his-team-has-a-crucial-role-to-play-in And in other news bears have been found ****ting in the woods. He's not going to sign a new contract until after the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 April, 2016 Share Posted 2 April, 2016 And in other news bears have been found ****ting in the woods. He's not going to sign a new contract until after the end of the season. If we get a Euro place this season, he may well start thinking longer term (if we do well) ......BUT If we don't, and haven't broken into the top four by this time next year .... then he'll be thinking seriously if he wants to be Klopp's replacement, or Wenger's ...or ...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 2 April, 2016 Share Posted 2 April, 2016 I would have thought much would depend on how we grow this close season for Koeman to commit for longer. Money is up from the TV deal, commercial income will be up and hopefully that means there will be the investment needed to keep the talent on the pitch and grow the first team squad and academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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