johnnyboy Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 On the bbc website right now they are running a Notts forest v derby bestXI imaginary match with text ! I thought it might be interesting to see how our two clubs would fare in the same scenario , I reckon our best 11 would smash theirs , thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 With my red and white tinted glasses on any Saints eleven would be better than a Pompey eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Pointless exercise. The only times at which they had a squad better than ours was before 1960 and for the short period during our brief sojourn in the lower leagues. Besides apart from laughing at them I have absolutely no interest in their horrible little community club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Who gets Nigel Quashie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboy Posted 17 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Would have Robert prosinecki in a heartbeat can't think of too many others from them in place of ours ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 What would be your Saints best XI from a squad of all Saints players ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboy Posted 17 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Goalkeeper has to be Shilton ,a back 4 of Gareth bale , Michael sevenson mark wright and Ivan golac , midfield of Steve williams , terry Paine , mlt , Kevin Keegan and front two of Mike channon and Rickie lambert , Subs Wayne bridge , Dave Watson , Jimmy case , Dave Armstrong , Phil Boyer , anti niemi , and finally Alan shearer with Lawrie Mac as manager But I'm ready to change when I think harder about it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Pompey XI: Dave Beasant, Ivan Golac, Martin Cranie, Malcolm Waldron, Gregory Vignal, Alan McLaughlin, Barry Horne, Eyal Berkovic, Mick Channon, Bobby Stokes, Ron Davies Subs: Peter Crouch, Nigel Quashie, David Connolly, Jhon Viafara, Trevor Hebbard, Paul Gilchrist, Arthur Brown (GK) Manager: Alan Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Saints have had more than twice as many international players as Pompey have. This is a complete list of the players who were capped for England while playing for the 2 clubs: Southampton David Armstrong James Beattie Ryan Bertrand Wayne Bridge Arthur Chadwick Mick Channon Nathaniel Clyne Peter Crouch Bill Ellerington Tim Fowers Fraser Forster Charlie Fry Kelly Houlker Kevin Keegan Adam Lallana Rickie Lambert Bert Lee Matt Le Tissier George Molyneux Terry Paine Tom Parker Alf Ramsey Bill Rawlings Jack Robinson Jay Rodriguez Luke Shaw Alan Shearer Peter Shilton Fred Titmuss Arthur Turner Danny Wallace Dave Watson Steve Williams Mark Wright 34 Portsmouth Jim Allen Sol Campbell Peter Crouch Dan Cunliffe Jermain Defoe Jimmy Dickinson Jack Froggatt Peter Harris Mark Hateley Kelly Houlker David James Glen Johnson Arthur Knight Len Phillips Jack Smith Fred Worrall 16 But, you have to base it on the best playersto play for the clubs, not just the ones who were with us for a long time or who had their best seasons when they were with us. So, obviously, Bale and Shearer would be in. Ivan Golac FFS??? He wasn't even good enough to play for Yugoslavia. Mostly, you should be looking at players who won a lot of international caps, like Alan Ball, even if most of them were won at other clubs. Although when magazines do our best XI they usually do stupid things like include Benali. So: Peter Shilton 125 caps Alf Ramsey 32 Dave Watson 65 Toby Alderweireld 52 Gareth Bale 54 Terry Paine 19 Alan Ball 72 Matt Le Tissier 8 Kevin Keegan 63 Mick Channon 46 Alan Shearer 63 Others to consider: Lallana 19 caps already and will probably go on to get 60, which is a hell of a lot more than Le Tissier; Mark Wright 45 caps but not as many as Dave Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Goalkeeper has to be Shilton ,a back 4 of Gareth bale , Michael sevenson mark wright and Ivan golac , midfield of Steve williams , terry Paine , mlt , Kevin Keegan and front two of Mike channon and Rickie lambert , Subs Wayne bridge , Dave Watson , Jimmy case , Dave Armstrong , Phil Boyer , anti niemi , and finally Alan shearer with Lawrie Mac as manager But I'm ready to change when I think harder about it ! How on earth can you have lambert in over Shearer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 How on earth can you have lambert in over Shearer? you can if you base it on how good they were when they played for us and the impact they had for us. But on pure ability...no contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 How on earth can you have lambert in over Shearer? Or Big Ron Davies top scorer in the top division two seasons running while we languished in the bottom half including a four at old Trafford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Lambert would be nowhere near our greatest 11. I think the only player who comes close since we returned to the Premier league is Toby and possibly Virgil. I'm not old enough to have seen anyone pre-Prem era but those two have been absolute class. I'd have Beattie or Pahars ahead of Lambert, let alone Shearer, Keegan, Big Ron, et. al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 you can if you base it on how good they were when they played for us and the impact they had for us. But on pure ability...no contest Quite, there's the grey area. if you're going to base it on what they did for saints then Shearer doesn't get in, neither does Bale and arguably Keegan. Shaw, Bridge, Dennis to name but 3 were all better left backs for saints than Bale, who wouldn't be playing st left back if it was based on his career anyway. If it's what they did in their careers then they walk into the side as does Alan Ball and you could make a case for the likes of Mark Hughes and plenty of others such as Andre Kanchelskis and Jamie Redknapp to be included who whist being poor for saints were excellent players in his day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 If you want to win, you pick the best players. I'm sure Pompey would include Prosinecki, even though he was wrecked from years of chain-smoking and could barely run when he played from them for a few months in the second division. I wonder if Osgood would get in the Chelsea XI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Based on what they were like for Saints I'd have: Antti Niemi Mark Dennis Toby Alderwiereld Killer Svensson Ivan Golac Rod Wallace Alan Ball Dave Armstrong Terry Paine MLT Big Ron Subs Jimmy Case Steve Williams Shilts Mark Wright Ricky Lambert Dave Watson That would be a team I'd be happy to pay good money to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Sorry, but if you want to win, you field your best XI. I'm sure Pompey would. Sentiment simply doesn't come into it. So, you simply can't replace world class players like Bale, Shearer and Keegan with journeymen like Dennis and Golac, who only ever got 1 international cap between the pair of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Quite, there's the grey area. if you're going to base it on what they did for saints then Shearer doesn't get in, neither does Bale and arguably Keegan. Shaw, Bridge, Dennis to name but 3 were all better left backs for saints than Bale, who wouldn't be playing st left back if it was based on his career anyway. If it's what they did in their careers then they walk into the side as does Alan Ball and you could make a case for the likes of Mark Hughes and plenty of others such as Andre Kanchelskis and Jamie Redknapp to be included who whist being poor for saints were excellent players in his day. I'd agree with Bale and Keegan but I have Shearer in my all time Saints XI. It was early in his career but he was brilliant; called up for England when with us and scored on his debut. His first season after signing for Blackburn saw him score 16 goals in a 21 game injury blighted season, and there was a reason he went for a then record fee, he was fecking superb. My all time XI is not necessarily the best XI on paper, but who I most enjoyed watching in my time at the Dell / St Mary's. Antti Niemi Nathaniel Clyne - Michael Svensson - Mark Wright - Mark Dennis Jimmy Case - Steve Williams Rodney Wallace - Matt Le Tissier - Danny Wallace Alan Shearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Based on what they were like for Saints I'd have: Antti Niemi Mark Dennis Toby Alderwiereld Killer Svensson Ivan Golac Rod Wallace Alan Ball Dave Armstrong Terry Paine MLT Big Ron Subs Jimmy Case Steve Williams Shilts Mark Wright Ricky Lambert Dave Watson That would be a team I'd be happy to pay good money to see. An all time best Saints XI without Channon. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Saints have had more than twice as many international players as Pompey have. This is a complete list of the players who were capped for England while playing for the 2 clubs: For England, yes. But that sort of overlooks that by far the Skates' best side in the past 60 years was in 2008/9, so you may as well just name that or the years either side, because we're not going to be able to name any other Skates in living memory good enough to get in their team (other than maybe Merson and Sheringham). I'm in absolutely no position to judge a best-ever Saints XI as I've only been watching since the early 90s (and for the first 9 years of that they were mostly gash, Le Tiss aside), whilst aside from some war-time anachronisms the Skate side is going to be pretty accurate. Not that we need an edge, but how's about we only include players fully paid for, and fully paid, by the clubs. That should make some room for the players from the military who were stuck in Portsmouth in the late 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Sorry, but if you want to win, you field your best XI. I'm sure Pompey would. Sentiment simply doesn't come into it. So, you simply can't replace world class players like Bale, Shearer and Keegan with journeymen like Dennis and Golac, who only ever got 1 international cap between the pair of them. The only remotely similar concept I have to relate to it was the fans' matches in 2003/4, when shockingly Saints Forever fielded the best side they could for as long as they could based on a few trials and a heap of training sessions, and Pompey Online put out a rolling line-up of 30-odd people which looked like basically anyone who turned up on the day. Obvs we won both games by 4, but still not the Skate cynicism you might have expected. Either that or they still had that inferiority complex and were beaten before they got out there. Anyway... I'd pick Bale, and at left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 17 March, 2016 Share Posted 17 March, 2016 Pompey XI: Dave Beasant, Ivan Golac, Martin Cranie, Malcolm Waldron, Gregory Vignal, Alan McLaughlin, Barry Horne, Eyal Berkovic, Mick Channon, Bobby Stokes, Ron Davies Subs: Peter Crouch, Nigel Quashie, David Connolly, Jhon Viafara, Trevor Hebbard, Paul Gilchrist, Arthur Brown (GK) Manager: Alan Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 An all time best Saints XI without Channon. Unbelievable. And all time best XI with Alderweireld? Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 Pompey XI: Dave Beasant, Ivan Golac, Martin Cranie, Malcolm Waldron, Gregory Vignal, Alan McLaughlin, Barry Horne, Eyal Berkovic, Mick Channon, Bobby Stokes, Ron Davies Subs: Peter Crouch, Nigel Quashie, David Connolly, Jhon Viafara, Trevor Hebbard, Paul Gilchrist, Arthur Brown (GK) Manager: Alan Ball With some friends I went to see Paul Gilchrist's debut for Pompey (was it the season after the CF?). Best player on the pitch! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 Shilton Clyne Wright Watson Dennis Williams ball Channon le tissier Paine Davies. Subs:niemi, keegan, shearer, m svennson, alderweird, r Wallace, Armstrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 I'd agree with Bale and Keegan but I have Shearer in my all time Saints XI. It was early in his career but he was brilliant; called up for England when with us and scored on his debut. His first season after signing for Blackburn saw him score 16 goals in a 21 game injury blighted season, and there was a reason he went for a then record fee, he was fecking superb. My all time XI is not necessarily the best XI on paper, but who I most enjoyed watching in my time at the Dell / St Mary's. Antti Niemi Nathaniel Clyne - Michael Svensson - Mark Wright - Mark Dennis Jimmy Case - Steve Williams Rodney Wallace - Matt Le Tissier - Danny Wallace Alan Shearer No way case was better than balk or the wallaces better than Paine and channon and shearer wasn't here long enough imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 No way case was better than balk or the wallaces better than Paine and channon and shearer wasn't here long enough imo Are you a bit simple, Roger? Have a read of the part that makes it clear why I made those selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 . Ivan Golac FFS??? get the F&*K out my pub!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 Shilton Clyne Wright Watson Dennis Williams ball Channon le tissier Paine Davies. Subs:niemi, keegan, shearer, m svennson, alderweird, r Wallace, Armstrong. That's close...not sure I wouldn't have put Mick Mills in front of Clyne and possibly Boyer over Wallace and, with some regret maybe Schneiderlin in front of Armstrong. We have had some brilliant players over the years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 Are you a bit simple, Roger? Have a read of the part that makes it clear why I made those selections. Thanks for that. Some people don't have time to read everything. You should get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 Bale, Dennis, Shaw, Bridge... come on guys, surely the obvious choice is... BENALI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globetrotter Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 Bale, Dennis, Shaw, Bridge... come on guys, surely the obvious choice is... BENALI! Toss up between Patrick Colleter and Lee Molyneux for me. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 You simply can't leave Kevin Keegan on the bench ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 Bale, Dennis, Shaw, Bridge... come on guys, surely the obvious choice is... BENALI! Yes, I'd definitely have Benali at left back. Left back in the changing room (boom! boom!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintquin Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 For sheer entertainment John Burridge Steve Mills Dave Watson Mark Wright Mark Dennis MLT Alan Ball Steve Williams Peter Osgood Ron Davies Danny Wallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 I'd be tempted to play a Zona Mista and have Le Tiss as the second striker and Keegan as the AM. That way Le Tiss pretty much gets a free role whilst Keegan does some of his work and supplies the front two. Would be ****ing epic to watch live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 And all time best XI with Alderweireld? Unbelievable. I'd pick him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 18 March, 2016 Share Posted 18 March, 2016 An all time best Saints XI without Channon. Unbelievable. Good point, how could I forget Micky Channon. Sorry Rickie - you'll have to make way on the subs bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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