Saints Transfers Thread - Deadline Day

[Batman]

Would Tomkins & Mandanda (townsend, maybe) be happy with a place on the bench at saints as they would not walk into our starting 11?

 

4-6 month ago, Redmond would have done well to make our bench. now he is our star striker. so who knows how it would have panned out with those at saints

[CB Fry]

I most certainly don't have blind faith that we are being run by idiots. I think our board have done an absolutely wonderful job but I do think they've missed an opportunity to capitalise on a strong position following the end of last season.

 

Please do explain how it's "obvious" we will make a big signing in the next week.

 

Just because someone doesn't agree with your view (which I might add, lacks any evidence to back it up) doesn't mean you can put words in their mouth.

 

What words have I put in your mouth?

 

Obviously, we'll sign someone.

[James]

That's another good point: the keeper situation.

 

Almost everyone one here bar none have said that Gazza wasn't good enough to be relied upon should Forster get injured. The club go out and buy a very good reserve keeper, and are criticised.

 

My Palace supporting mate talks about him in the same way we talk about Gazza so I'll reserve judgement on how good he is until I've seen him play! He's made some howlers for them in the same way Gazza has for us (see Palace v Liverpool last year as an example).

[James]

What words have I put in your mouth?

 

We'll sign someone.

 

That I believe the club our run by idiots, which I don't.

 

If you're final statement isn't example of blind faith then I don't know what is.

[CB Fry]

That I believe the club our run by idiots, which I don't.

 

If you're final statement isn't example of blind faith then I don't know what is.

You do realise you started the blind faith thing, right? You're allowed to accuse other people of having it but start blubbering when it's the other way round? Odd.

 

Obviously we will sign someone. Not blind faith.

[Heisenberg]

Begs the question as to why, given where we finished last season, we haven't seen fit to show a bit of ambition in the market. A signing like this would, IMO, show ambition. As it is, we haven't done anything to dispel our reputation in the market.

 

Can see so many parallels with Newcastle in 2013. After finishing 5th they sold Ba and tried to be a bit clever in the transfer market. Finished the next season in 16th and never really recovered.

 

It's horrible to watch us having so little ambition, I genuinely don't think we will get a chance again like we've just had.

[James]

You do realise you started the blind faith thing, right? You're allowed to accuse other people of having it but start blubbering when it's the other way round? Odd.

 

Obviously we will sign someone. Not blind faith.

 

I'll ask again, please do explain how it's "obvious" that we will sign someone.

[woodsaint]

Remember the meltdown after all the great business Stoke and Waste Ham did last summer compared to us and how that finished at the end of the season....

[James]

Can see so many parallels with Newcastle in 2013. After finishing 5th they sold Ba and tried to be a bit clever in the transfer market. Finished the next season in 16th and never really recovered.

 

It's horrible to watch us having so little ambition, I genuinely don't think we will get a chance again like we've just had.

 

Completely agree.

[SO16_Saint]

The saying 'if you're standing still you're moving backwards' is absolutely correct.

 

I have absolute faith, based on previous experience, that the Board will come good by the close of the window.

 

Judge them on the 1st, not now

[CB Fry]

I'll ask again, please do explain how it's "obvious" that we will sign someone.

Because we're a Premier League club competing in Europa and we need at least one more player. And we will sign at least that one player, just like we signed players in summer 2015. And summer 2014. And summer 2013. 2012. 2011. 2010.

 

Obviously we will. Effing obviously.

[James]

Because we're a Premier League club competing in Europa and we need at least one more player. And we will sign at least that one player, just like we signed players in summer 2015. And summer 2014. And summer 2013. 2012. 2011. 2010.

 

Obviously we will. Effing obviously.

 

So, to summarise, you have no actual evidence. Got it.

[CB Fry]

So, to summarise, you have no actual evidence. Got it.

Why would I have evidence? Nutcase.

[James]

Why would I have evidence? Nutcase.

 

Never said you should. Merely questioning how something can be so "obvious" if you have no evidence to back it up.

 

In any case, let's wait and see where we are on the first. I do hope that you're right.

[S-Clarke]

This thread is just an identical replica of the threads from last summer, the summer before etc etc.

 

Then it all went quiet after September as we did actually do the business people were panicking we wouldn't.

 

Stop panicking, there's a world out there and plenty more to worry about.

[CB Fry]

Never said you should. Merely questioning how something can be so "obvious" if you have no evidence to back it up.

 

In any case, let's wait and see where we are on the first. I do hope that you're right.

It's obvious because it is obvious.

 

Why don't you take your evidence hunting sword of truth to the people saying we aren't going to sign anyone? Off you go.

[Heisenberg]

Never said you should. Merely questioning how something can be so "obvious" if you have no evidence to back it up.

 

In any case, let's wait and see where we are on the first. I do hope that you're right.

 

I think we will sign one more minimum, my worry now is who and genuinely how far down our wanted list we now are.

 

We have clearly missed some of our top targets and my worry now is we panic buy or pay over the top for someone way down our original list.

 

Our club are very very quick at selling players, seemingly we still think it's 2011 when trying to bid and sign players.

[Give it to Ron]

Because we're a Premier League club competing in Europa and we need at least one more player. And we will sign at least that one player, just like we signed players in summer 2015. And summer 2014. And summer 2013. 2012. 2011. 2010.

 

Obviously we will. Effing obviously.

 

We all hope so just wish they would get on with it. I like what we have done so far Pied maybe a bit underwhelmed but he is Telfer2.

I am just concerned a couple of injuries away from being in deep trouble defensively and up front for all games extra we have.

If our u23 were stronger then wouldn't be so concerned.

 

 

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[madruss]

This thread is just an identical replica of the threads from last summer, the summer before etc etc.

 

Then it all went quiet after September as we did actually do the business people were panicking we wouldn't.

 

Stop panicking, there's a world out there and plenty more to worry about.

So true, they're a regular summer routine now! My favourite was the summer where everyone was bigging up Norwich with their amazing signings. Cue relegation!

 

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[James]

It's obvious because it is obvious.

 

Why don't you take your evidence hunting sword of truth to the people saying we aren't going to sign anyone? Off you go.

 

"It's obvious because it's obvious" now there's a statement to win a debate if ever I saw one. Might as well have said "it's obvious because I say it is".

 

This forum is becoming ridiculous, anyone that takes a contrary view to the party line gets ridiculed. The mods really ought to do something about it. It is a forum after all, a place for debate but posts like the one above just show what it's come to, essentially, "I'm right because I say so and you're wrong because I say so".

[Verbal Kint]

"It's obvious because it's obvious" now there's a statement to win a debate if ever I saw one. Might as well have said "it's obvious because I say it is".

 

This forum is becoming ridiculous, anyone that takes a contrary view to the party line gets ridiculed. The mods really ought to do something about it. It is a forum after all, a place for debate but posts like the one above just show what it's come to, essentially, "I'm right because I say so and you're wrong because I say so".

 

Most teams aim to have 2 players for every position. We currently have 5 senior players for the 3 attacking positions in Puel's system. That's why most people think it's obvious we will bring in one more

[CB Fry]

"It's obvious because it's obvious" now there's a statement to win a debate if ever I saw one. Might as well have said "it's obvious because I say it is".

 

This forum is becoming ridiculous, anyone that takes a contrary view to the party line gets ridiculed. The mods really ought to do something about it. It is a forum after all, a place for debate but posts like the one above just show what it's come to, essentially, "I'm right because I say so and you're wrong because I say so".

 

Let's just remember this started with you saying people who think we might just sign one fu cking player before 1st September of having "blind faith".

 

We will sign a fu cking player before the end of the window. Get used to it. You can say it's because I said so if you like. I do say so. We will sign a player before September 1st is out.

 

You get to accuse people of having blind faith, I get to type that.

 

It's a forum, that's how it works.

[Beckenham Saint]

This thread is just an identical replica of the threads from last summer, the summer before etc etc.

 

Then it all went quiet after September as we did actually do the business people were panicking we wouldn't.

 

Stop panicking, there's a world out there and plenty more to worry about.

 

[James]

Let's just remember this started with you saying people who think we might just sign one fu cking player before 1st September of having "blind faith".

 

We will sign a fu cking player before the end of the window. Get used to it. You can say it's because I said so if you like. I do say so. We will sign a player before September 1st is out.

 

You get to accuse people of having blind faith, I get to type that.

 

It's a forum, that's how it works.

 

So you get to resort to swearing? Good one mate. I'll say it again, the mods really ought to do something about this kind of thing.

 

If this forum is a place for over the top reactions and insults then it's not a great place to be a part of quite frankly.

[Heisenberg]

 

priceless. Thought exactly the same thing

[verlaine1979]

Someone thinking a striker liverpool want rid of is worth 30m for crystal palace sums up the problem.

 

Where will it end exactly? At what point will fans just find the whole thing a bit sickening. Since I started watching there's been a marked decline in flair players, entertainers and emphasis on fitness and pace as the business side of it makes it all more important than ever. It was bad enough when players got fan's annual salary every week, then 10 times that. We'll have the first 100m player soon, and no doubt the first 200m player within a few years of that. Then the average fan will be saying 'take a punt on him, he's only £50m and he scored 1 in 5 for hull'.

 

Liverpool have him under a long contract and know they don't need to sell him unless it makes sense for them to do so. I doubt they want rid of him so badly that they wouldn't be happy to wait until January when Inter Milan or whoever else looks like missing out on the CL this season will be happy to cough up for a known quantity striker.

[corky morris]

I think Benteke would have been great for Saints personally.

I reckon we are waiting for value. Prices are silly everywhere so we wait until other teams need the cash & we trade then. Not saying it's not risky, but wouldn't be surprised if no one else joins in this window.

Hojberg looks excellent, Redmond has great potential, Pied is a bit of a no brainier & McCarthy improves our squad.

Wanyama, Mane & Pelle are all very good footballers, but all of them went through periods of poor performance. In fact Wanyama was a liability on occasion. Mane went missing & sometimes looked like a park footballer. Pelle had the touch of a tree too in games.

I worry teams are moving in front of us with some of their transfers, but TBH there is absolutely nothing we can do about it....

[CB Fry]

So you get to resort to swearing? Good one mate. I'll say it again, the mods really ought to do something about this kind of thing.

 

If this forum is a place for over the top reactions and insults then it's not a great place to be a part of quite frankly.

 

Awfully sorry if I've upset you but I do get slightly wound up when people start demanding "evidence" for predictions, especially for very easy prediction of something that will obviously happen.

 

But your over the top reaction that something so obvious requires blind faith to believe will happen probably does need addressing by the moderators of this forum.

[pangy]

We need at least 2 decent players per position

 

 

FF & McCarthy

Pied & Cedric

Bertrand & Targett

Fonte & Yoshida

VVD & Gardos

Romeu & Clasie

Davis & Reed

Hojbjerg & JWP

Tadic & ??

Austin & J-Rod

Long & Redmond

 

With a long season ahead and with all the talk of a CAM does anyone not think we are thin at CB ? Yosh is ok but always has a massive error in him, Gardos is perma-crocked.one injury to Fonte or VVD and we are screwed

 

I would say 2 players minimum are needed

[James]

Awfully sorry if I've upset you but I do get slightly wound up when people start demanding "evidence" for predictions, especially for very easy prediction of something that will obviously happen.

 

But your over the top reaction that something so obvious requires blind faith to believe will happen probably does need addressing by the moderators of this forum.

 

So anyone who disagrees with a prediction should be spoken to by the mods? Got it. This forum is utterly ridiculous.

[Smirking_Saint]

Can see the problem, not just for us. You want to improve a position but the prices are getting mental. Same for Arsenal, do they throw 60m at a striker they value at 30m?

 

I'd take Benteke for 12-15m, but throwing 30m at him seems ridiculous. Yet Palace just received a massive fee for Bolasie who rarely scored, have been desperate for a striker and now have one. Townsend, Benteke, Zaha will be a pretty decent front 3 you'd imagine. If it keeps them up and doing well then it's worth the money. But as more and more clubs do it, they can't all succeed. We're going to see bigger fortunes than ever wasted.

 

And people are commenting about how stuck in the past Arsene is. The prices arent going to suddenly drop, or fluctuate, they have been growing year on year, and this year unfortunately, due to the amoung of money available has exploded.

 

You either keep up or you get left behind. It is however difficult, you need to find the right purchase, as we have found previous the incorrect will set you back, a la Osvaldo and Ramirez.

 

But it's no good to sit on your laurels and hope, as falling down the table will cost more than the depreciation of a failed transfer IMO. Much is held of the herralded black box, so if there are targets pay the asking price, I struggle to see how we are in any debt considering our outlay/income ratio over the past few years.

 

Of course Palace etc are behind us right now, but with the right investment they will be at our level if we fail to act.

 

And right now we need a DM and a Striker atleast.

 

So puel was Arsenes understudy ?....... Figures

[CB Fry]

We need at least 2 decent players per position

 

 

FF & McCarthy

Pied & Cedric

Bertrand & Targett

Fonte & Yoshida

VVD & Gardos

Romeu & Clasie

Davis & Reed

Hojbjerg & JWP

Tadic & ??

Austin & J-Rod

Long & Redmond

 

With a long season ahead and with all the talk of a CAM does anyone not think we are thin at CB ? Yosh is ok but always has a massive error in him, Gardos is perma-crocked.one injury to Fonte or VVD and we are screwed

 

I would say 2 players minimum are needed

 

I think we might end up with a nice surprise CB signing this window, for the reasons you say - not convinced Gardos is ever going to make it and poor old Yoshi needs to be relegated to League Cup bit-partness. Toby was a bit of a rabbit out of the hat two years ago so maybe we might have another one to go with our mystery attacker.

[goneawol]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1636150/hull-plan-raid-on-southampton-for-striker-jay-rodriguez-as-they-seek-season-long-loan-deal/

[angelman]

Hull might well be planning a raid.

[Saint-Fred]

So anyone who disagrees with a prediction should be spoken to by the mods? Got it. This forum is utterly ridiculous.

TBF it's not this forum..it's a select few.

[Bewildered]

If we let Rodriguez go out on loan then surely we would have to bring in a striker.

[SuperSAINT]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1636150/hull-plan-raid-on-southampton-for-striker-jay-rodriguez-as-they-seek-season-long-loan-deal/

 

Getting frustrated over his lack of chances.

 

After one game?!

[CB Fry]

So anyone who disagrees with a prediction should be spoken to by the mods? Got it. This forum is utterly ridiculous.

 

Hang on, I'm taking the michael out of you whinging about "the mods" need to "do something" about "this sort of thing". I've never reported anything to the moderators and never ever will.

 

You seem to be making a habit of getting upset when someone else does something that you have just done yourself. My tip would be to try and remember what you have just typed.

[Baird of the land]

We need at least 2 decent players per position

 

 

FF & McCarthy

Pied & Cedric

Bertrand & Targett

Fonte & Yoshida

VVD & Gardos

Romeu & Clasie

Davis & Reed

Hojbjerg & JWP

Tadic & ??

Austin & J-Rod

Long & Redmond

 

With a long season ahead and with all the talk of a CAM does anyone not think we are thin at CB ? Yosh is ok but always has a massive error in him, Gardos is perma-crocked.one injury to Fonte or VVD and we are screwed

 

I would say 2 players minimum are needed

 

No I don't think we are thin at centre back. Both yoshi and gardos are capable backups and we've also got England u21 Stephens. We definitely one quality attacking addition and I'd be pretty content if that turned out to be all we get.

[Ed Rooney]

We will sign at least two players, so chill out,relax and try and enjoy game tomorrow and then wait and see what happens by Wednesday next week

[pangy]

I think we might end up with a nice surprise CB signing this window, for the reasons you say - not convinced Gardos is ever going to make it and poor old Yoshi needs to be relegated to League Cup bit-partness. Toby was a bit of a rabbit out of the hat two years ago so maybe we might have another one to go with our mystery attacker.

 

Would be nice,but they will be coming here on the understanding we won't guarantee a starting place,that means it won't be a Toby quality player,but a more unknown like Gardos,so if they think he will go un-injured they will stick with him, I still do not have confidence in Yosh or Gardos though to come good

 

I am always the optimist but even I think this is the season everything catches up with us,unless we make 2-3 signings in the next 13 days, which I just can't see happening

[SuperSAINT]

We will sign at least two players, so chill out,relax and try and enjoy game tomorrow and then wait and see what happens by Wednesday next week

 

#ITK_Watch

[Saint-Fred]

And people are commenting about how stuck in the past Arsene is. The prices arent going to suddenly drop, or fluctuate, they have been growing year on year, and this year unfortunately, due to the amoung of money available has exploded.

 

You either keep up or you get left behind. It is however difficult, you need to find the right purchase, as we have found previous the incorrect will set you back, a la Osvaldo and Ramirez.

 

But it's no good to sit on your laurels and hope, as falling down the table will cost more than the depreciation of a failed transfer IMO. Much is held of the herralded black box, so if there are targets pay the asking price, I struggle to see how we are in any debt considering our outlay/income ratio over the past few years.

 

Of course Palace etc are behind us right now, but with the right investment they will be at our level if we fail to act.

 

And right now we need a DM and a Striker atleast.

 

So puel was Arsenes understudy ?....... Figures

 

It's a strange argument Wenger has..even the Pogba signing is less of a percentage of the Man Utds turnover than many of their top signings in the past such as Ferdinand or Rooney...there is so much money in the game it's inevitable that prices will sky rocket. Palace aren't mortgaging the club to get Benteke and in fact many who run the clubs recognise the link between investment in the team and increasing their share of all that cash. Man city may have spent 1 billion but look at their turnover rocket as a result!

Not many sides make massive losses it in the premier league now and Arsenal sit on probably 100 million so are very cash rich. Their fans must be really frustrated!

[pangy]

No I don't think we are thin at centre back. Both yoshi and gardos are capable backups and we've also got England u21 Stephens. We definitely one quality attacking addition and I'd be pretty content if that turned out to be all we get.

 

When was the last time Gardos played and has Stephens even played prem minutes? JWP is also u21 and he looks out of his depth most weeks.

 

You would be comfortable with a Yosh/ Gardos partnership in a Group stage game for example

[qwertyell]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1636150/hull-plan-raid-on-southampton-for-striker-jay-rodriguez-as-they-seek-season-long-loan-deal/

Might not be the worst idea in the world (if - big if - Saints are recruiting more attacking talent).

 

Rodriguez needs to play games and prove that he can still cut it at this level. The signs so far haven't been promising - his pace and mobility seem seriously compromised.

 

At the moment he's at the back of the queue of our forward options.

[Latheal]

Is anyone else feeling a bit underwhelmed at the present?

To think it was 50 years ago when we signed the greatest centre-forward the world has ever seen.

 

Strangely, no. I had my meltdown three years ago. Wasn't bothered last summer about the ones that left, not bothered this year either. Club has earned my trust for now.

 

There is a lot of people asking where the money has gone, but its blatantly obvious. Its kinda ironic, really, that the club signs a load of 1st team players on increased wages to the club, then fans moan that we can't keep any players. Its arguable, that without the sales, we couldn't have made the offers - not just financially, but actually within FFP. Its worth reading Redslo's blogs on FFP and the only ways you can increase the wage ceiling. It may open a few eyes.

 

The club are doing the right thing in my mind. I actually don't expect anybody else in and I'd still be ok with that. We're not like other clubs, we're trying to be different, we've been pretty successful at it. It may not be as good this year as previous, but you know what, we're in Europe, we're no where near as bad as what's been written, we look half decent and we'll get better. We actually have players that seem to want to be here (excepting Fonte) and I wouldn't want to spunk £20mil on Ayew, £28mil on Bolasie, or £32mil on Benteke, (although I do think the latter is a good player for Palace).

 

I've enjoyed the ride back up. The only thing that really worries me is the formation, but Puel deserves respect and time. Be interesting to see if he goes to Utd with the same formation or changes it. There seems to be a core of Saints fans not excited by Puel - and that's fine, opinions are opinions. But the guy is yet to lose a game (god knows the meltdown when he does) and its was only a few months ago we were all jumping up and down at the Austin signing.

 

I'm quite excited to be honest. But I may also be deluded.

[Heisenberg]

So anyone who disagrees with a prediction should be spoken to by the mods? Got it. This forum is utterly ridiculous.

 

It's a tough time for posters like CB cry just now, the forum and Saints fans generally are fairly united by frustration and disappointed.

 

We were all just hoping that we can get through tomorrow evening without too much embarrassment and hope/pray we bring in 2 or 3 quality players before the window shuts.

[egg]

Strangely, no. I had my meltdown three years ago. Wasn't bothered last summer about the ones that left, not bothered this year either. Club has earned my trust for now.

 

There is a lot of people asking where the money has gone, but its blatantly obvious. Its kinda ironic, really, that the club signs a load of 1st team players on increased wages to the club, then fans moan that we can't keep any players. Its arguable, that without the sales, we couldn't have made the offers - not just financially, but actually within FFP. Its worth reading Redslo's blogs on FFP and the only ways you can increase the wage ceiling. It may open a few eyes.

 

The club are doing the right thing in my mind. I actually don't expect anybody else in and I'd still be ok with that. We're not like other clubs, we're trying to be different, we've been pretty successful at it. It may not be as good this year as previous, but you know what, we're in Europe, we're no where near as bad as what's been written, we look half decent and we'll get better. We actually have players that seem to want to be here (excepting Fonte) and I wouldn't want to spunk £20mil on Ayew, £28mil on Bolasie, or £32mil on Benteke, (although I do think the latter is a good player for Palace).

 

I've enjoyed the ride back up. The only thing that really worries me is the formation, but Puel deserves respect and time. Be interesting to see if he goes to Utd with the same formation or changes it. There seems to be a core of Saints fans not excited by Puel - and that's fine, opinions are opinions. But the guy is yet to lose a game (god knows the meltdown when he does) and its was only a few months ago we were all jumping up and down at the Austin signing.

 

I'm quite excited to be honest. But I may also be deluded.

 

Good post. People overlook ffp - it's a genuine hindrance for us and does limit our ability to compete on wages.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Might not be the worst idea in the world (if - big if - Saints are recruiting more attacking talent).

 

Rodriguez needs to play games and prove that he can still cut it at this level. The signs so far haven't been promising - his pace and mobility seem seriously compromised.

 

At the moment he's at the back of the queue of our forward options.

 

 

I'd drive him up to hull myself . If we could get rid of him permanently , all the better . Make no mistake about it , had he not got injured he'd have joined the 2014 summer exit . He's finished imo, he'll not get anywhere near level he was

[baggytrousers]

Strangely, no. I had my meltdown three years ago. Wasn't bothered last summer about the ones that left, not bothered this year either. Club has earned my trust for now.

 

There is a lot of people asking where the money has gone, but its blatantly obvious. Its kinda ironic, really, that the club signs a load of 1st team players on increased wages to the club, then fans moan that we can't keep any players. Its arguable, that without the sales, we couldn't have made the offers - not just financially, but actually within FFP. Its worth reading Redslo's blogs on FFP and the only ways you can increase the wage ceiling. It may open a few eyes.

 

The club are doing the right thing in my mind. I actually don't expect anybody else in and I'd still be ok with that. We're not like other clubs, we're trying to be different, we've been pretty successful at it. It may not be as good this year as previous, but you know what, we're in Europe, we're no where near as bad as what's been written, we look half decent and we'll get better. We actually have players that seem to want to be here (excepting Fonte) and I wouldn't want to spunk £20mil on Ayew, £28mil on Bolasie, or £32mil on Benteke, (although I do think the latter is a good player for Palace).

 

I've enjoyed the ride back up. The only thing that really worries me is the formation, but Puel deserves respect and time. Be interesting to see if he goes to Utd with the same formation or changes it. There seems to be a core of Saints fans not excited by Puel - and that's fine, opinions are opinions. But the guy is yet to lose a game (god knows the meltdown when he does) and its was only a few months ago we were all jumping up and down at the Austin signing.

 

I'm quite excited to be honest. But I may also be deluded.

 

Excellent post. Sums it up for most of us I'd say.