Saints Transfers Thread - Deadline Day

[Chris27687]

Still expecting this signing by tomorrow- Thursday has been quoted...

 

I'll quite happily take Boufal on deadline day.

[Heisenberg]

Heinsenberg - could be worse you miserable bast*rd, you could be a Hull fan.

 

One way to look at it... Hull, Burnley, Sunderland could name a few others. But they didn't have the same opportunity as us the same momentum to push forward.

 

Just a bit depressing watching us stand still if not go backwards this summer, particularly when 8 or 9 premiership clubs have really kicked on and widened the gap between us now them

 

Transfers have been miserable and losing 3 of our best players (& manager) again is hard to watch

[Chris27687]

One way to look at it... Hull, Burnley, Sunderland could name a few others. But they didn't have the same opportunity as us the same momentum to push forward.

 

Just a bit depressing watching us stand still if not go backwards this summer, particularly when 8 or 9 premiership clubs have really kicked on and widened the gap between us now them

 

Transfers have been miserable and losing 3 of our best players (& manager) again is hard to watch

 

You should get used to it and embrace it - it's never going to change!

[notnowcato]

One way to look at it... Hull, Burnley, Sunderland could name a few others. But they didn't have the same opportunity as us the same momentum to push forward.

 

Just a bit depressing watching us stand still if not go backwards this summer, particularly when 8 or 9 premiership clubs have really kicked on and widened the gap between us now them

 

Transfers have been miserable and losing 3 of our best players (& manager) again is hard to watch

 

Transfers have not been miserable. FACT.

[DT]

Yes, still my whelm is under

[MarkSFC]

Genuine question as I've no idea, but are saints broke or something? I know it's good to get good value but with the TV money as it is we'd have expected a decent amount spent before we even sold anyone. Something seems a bit odd even if we have spent a bit on new contracts.

 

What sales profit are we on? 40m? We aren't going to spend that are we. Haven't kept track of others but not many can be in massive profit...just everton?

 

I think you might need to see your doctor....seriously concerned for your welfare.

 

 

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[angelman]

Yes, still my whelm is under

 

Who was the last signing we made that got your whelm from being under to over? I mean a signing that got you thinking "**** me that's a good one". That's not to say that the signings we have made have been received badly, not least because I know how the club tends to work and I greatly look forward to how they do. This season it is Redmond that interests me the most. But back to the question, for me, maybe Osvaldo came closest to the "**** me" signing, and we know how that worked out.

[saint-crinny]

Who was the last signing we made that got your whelm from being under to over? I mean a signing that got you thinking "**** me that's a good one". That's not to say that the signings we have made have been received badly, not least because I know how the club tends to work and I greatly look forward to how they do. This season it is Redmond that interests me the most. But back to the question, for me, maybe Osvaldo came closest to the "**** me" signing, and we know how that worked out.

 

Probably Gaston for me, I thought we'd arrived when he signed.

 

This season though, was really pleased with Hojbjerg and from everything seen in pre-season, he looks quality

[Chris27687]

Genuine question as I've no idea, but are saints broke or something? I know it's good to get good value but with the TV money as it is we'd have expected a decent amount spent before we even sold anyone. Something seems a bit odd even if we have spent a bit on new contracts.

 

What sales profit are we on? 40m? We aren't going to spend that are we. Haven't kept track of others but not many can be in massive profit...just everton?

 

We aren't idiots basically, I imagine the club has a fair amount to spend if they want - but if you announce you're going to pay £20m for a striker suddenly Ayew costs £20m. If you say you have a £100m warchest you can get Bolasie, Williams & Kone for the best part of £60m.

 

it's quite clear that to do well you need to be really well run, and if you're a small club with a finite resources you have to be even better run. I reckon we'll get 1 more in winger or AMC and that will be it - I think a lot of the money will have been spend on ensuring we get full value for our players next season - VVD/Forster/JWP etc. Signing VVD up for 6 more years was not going to be cheap.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

What an utterly depressing summer for us. We had another opportunity to kick on and really try to stamp ourselves as one of the top 6 sides in the league. Instead we sell 3 of our best players and try to replace them on the cheap

 

We have got away with it last few years but I genuinely think we will be found wanting this season.

 

I am not even excited for the season starting

 

Don't know who or what is to blame but we are still approaching things like it's 2010 rather than accepting wages are now everything and good players now cost a decent wedge.

 

Bottom half this season and no doubt outta Europe at the group stage.... Depressing

 

A brave post. You'll be branded a bed wetter for life with posts like that. However, You've summed things up perfectly. It's very disappointing and hard to see how this is taking the club forward. I can see Puel not lasting the season and then the Les Reed backlash will begin.

[broken spoke]

Why isn't it Saturday already.... I just want to get on with it....

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Who was the last signing we made that got your whelm from being under to over? I mean a signing that got you thinking "**** me that's a good one". That's not to say that the signings we have made have been received badly, not least because I know how the club tends to work and I greatly look forward to how they do. This season it is Redmond that interests me the most. But back to the question, for me, maybe Osvaldo came closest to the "**** me" signing, and we know how that worked out.

 

Last signing that made me think "**** me that's a good one" was Forster.

[Donatello]

A brave post. You'll be branded a bed wetter for life with posts like that. However, You've summed things up perfectly. It's very disappointing and hard to see how this is taking the club forward. I can see Puel not lasting the season and then the Les Reed backlash will begin.

 

How can he "sum up" something which hasn't happened yet? You can't decry a strategy which has worked up until this moment, because you believe it will fail. Well, you can, you can do whatever you want, but you've got no basis for your argument.

[tajjuk]

Genuine question as I've no idea, but are saints broke or something? I know it's good to get good value but with the TV money as it is we'd have expected a decent amount spent before we even sold anyone. Something seems a bit odd even if we have spent a bit on new contracts.

 

What sales profit are we on? 40m? We aren't going to spend that are we. Haven't kept track of others but not many can be in massive profit...just everton?

 

£30 million would be more about right I think, though depends how transfer deals were set up whether the cash was all up front, but if we let Liverpool get Mane for £34 million and it's instalments then we've been mugged.

 

More and more it's looking to me that we should have strung that one out and with the kind of figures being quoted could have easily pushed that towards £50 million.

 

But £34 million + £13 + £11 + £2 = around £60 million in player sales.

 

Hojberg was about £13 million, Redmond was £11 million, McCarthy probably about £3-4 million.

 

But as you said I'd expect with having had a transfer profit for two years running + new TV deal + new sponsorship we'd have been able to spend £30-40 million with zero sales.

 

I mean if Palace can spend that amount there is no reason we can't unless we have financial issues we are not aware of.

 

Ultimately if we don't spend at least what we have recouped that is a bit disappointing, but we'll see, seems at least 1 signing might be coming, apparently soon and people are saying it's a club record deal. So if it's upwards of £15 million, maybe even £20 million, it's not beyond possibility we could pick up a second player closer to the window for £10-12 million and have spent all our sale money.

 

Question will be whether by the 1st September we have a better squad than we did at the end of last season.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Why isn't it Saturday already.... I just want to get on with it....

 

Funny. This is the first season in as long as I can remember when I've not looked forward to the season starting. The Euro's were a huge disappointment and all I see in the Premiership are teams spending silly money. Clearly nobody learned anything from Leicester last season and they've reverted back to trying to buy the title. The whole thing is becoming a farce.

[nta786]

£30 million would be more about right I think, though depends how transfer deals were set up whether the cash was all up front, but if we let Liverpool get Mane for £34 million and it's instalments then we've been mugged.

 

More and more it's looking to me that we should have strung that one out and with the kind of figures being quoted could have easily pushed that towards £50 million.

 

But £34 million + £13 + £11 + £2 = around £60 million in player sales.

 

Hojberg was about £13 million, Redmond was £11 million, McCarthy probably about £3-4 million.

 

But as you said I'd expect with having had a transfer profit for two years running + new TV deal + new sponsorship we'd have been able to spend £30-40 million with zero sales.

 

I mean if Palace can spend that amount there is no reason we can't unless we have financial issues we are not aware of.

 

Ultimately if we don't spend at least what we have recouped that is a bit disappointing, but we'll see, seems at least 1 signing might be coming, apparently soon and people are saying it's a club record deal. So if it's upwards of £15 million, maybe even £20 million, it's not beyond possibility we could pick up a second player closer to the window for £10-12 million and have spent all our sale money.

 

Question will be whether by the 1st September we have a better squad than we did at the end of last season.

 

tbf i also do wonder what we do with our profits, as TV money is clearly used for contract improvements, my bet is that if we do have an off season, say we finish 15th in one season, we could use the profits racked up in previous years to raise our position again? And if we do finish 15th, then surely no one would want our players too anyway.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

How can he "sum up" something which hasn't happened yet? You can't decry a strategy which has worked up until this moment, because you believe it will fail. Well, you can, you can do whatever you want, but you've got no basis for your argument.

 

I was referring to the fact that he has summed up what many of us are feeling.

[Saint_Ash]

I was referring to the fact that he has summed up what many of us are feeling.

He hasn't though, he's summed up what a few people are feeling because they like a good cry about something instead of looking forward to a game of football.

 

If you're not looking forward to this season you can't really be a supporter of Saints can you? I'm looking forward to every game and especially being in the Europa. What is there not to look forward to? Some people are just weird.

[DT]

Who was the last signing we made that got your whelm from being under to over? I mean a signing that got you thinking "**** me that's a good one". That's not to say that the signings we have made have been received badly, not least because I know how the club tends to work and I greatly look forward to how they do. This season it is Redmond that interests me the most. But back to the question, for me, maybe Osvaldo came closest to the "**** me" signing, and we know how that worked out.

 

It was VVD for me. Was also pretty excited about Romeu actually. Think he's very underrated

 

 

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[doddisalegend]

A brave post. You'll be branded a bed wetter for life with posts like that. However, You've summed things up perfectly. It's very disappointing and hard to see how this is taking the club forward. I can see Puel not lasting the season and then the Les Reed backlash will begin.

 

Then again last year you said something similar and most likely the season before that to. We have a whole load of fans who predict disaster summer after summer and, no doubt, with the way football works you will all be right sooner or latter and then you can bask in the glory of your foresight/hindsight.

Edited 10 August, 2016 by doddisalegend

[baggytrousers]

A brave post. You'll be branded a bed wetter for life with posts like that. However, You've summed things up perfectly. It's very disappointing and hard to see how this is taking the club forward. I can see Puel not lasting the season and then the Les Reed backlash will begin.

 

What a load of cobblers !!!!

[DT]

We aren't idiots basically, I imagine the club has a fair amount to spend if they want - but if you announce you're going to pay £20m for a striker suddenly Ayew costs £20m. If you say you have a £100m warchest you can get Bolasie, Williams & Kone for the best part of £60m.

 

it's quite clear that to do well you need to be really well run, and if you're a small club with a finite resources you have to be even better run. I reckon we'll get 1 more in winger or AMC and that will be it - I think a lot of the money will have been spend on ensuring we get full value for our players next season - VVD/Forster/JWP etc. Signing VVD up for 6 more years was not going to be cheap.

 

Does anyone expect us to (be able to) keep VVD for six years? Not sure that financial equation is without a low risk gamble

 

 

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[Shroppie]

Osvaldo and Ramirez were both hailed as signings that showed we were finally punching with some weight. Result: appalling failure and big disappointment.

 

Most on here were underwhelmed with Mané and so-so with Wanyama, yet when they leave we're selling stars.

 

VVD and Forster were great signings. Yes, we've had the odd flop, but most have developed into solid players or better - Bertrand for example.

 

In most cases there is little correlation between the cost of a player and potential and i believe the majority of clubs are not able to recognise potential, or not prepared or able to see players grow, so they are drawn into throwing stupid money at the names being pushed hardest by agents on the basis of reputation or playing for a "big" club, even though the evidence doesn't hold up.

 

My guess is that our final signings on this window will, as before, be totally off everyone's radar, not expensive, but hopefully will include a Mané or VVD. Players brought in already don't underwhelm me. They clearly have potential and i can't wait to see it develop.

 

It's the Saints way, and long may it continue.

 

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Edited 10 August, 2016 by Shroppie

[Horley CTFC Saint]

What an utterly depressing summer for us. We had another opportunity to kick on and really try to stamp ourselves as one of the top 6 sides in the league. Instead we sell 3 of our best players and try to replace them on the cheap

 

We have got away with it last few years but I genuinely think we will be found wanting this season.

 

I am not even excited for the season starting

 

Don't know who or what is to blame but we are still approaching things like it's 2010 rather than accepting wages are now everything and good players now cost a decent wedge.

 

Bottom half this season and no doubt outta Europe at the group stage.... Depressing

You of all people should know about the uncertainty principle!

[View From The Top]

A brave post. You'll be branded a bed wetter for life with posts like that. However, You've summed things up perfectly. It's very disappointing and hard to see how this is taking the club forward. I can see Puel not lasting the season and then the Les Reed backlash will begin.

 

You're a colossal sp_unktrumpet at the start of every season so it's good to see you maintaining your standards of fu_ckwitiness.

[Beckenham Saint]

Who was the last signing we made that got your whelm from being under to over? I mean a signing that got you thinking "**** me that's a good one". That's not to say that the signings we have made have been received badly, not least because I know how the club tends to work and I greatly look forward to how they do. This season it is Redmond that interests me the most. But back to the question, for me, maybe Osvaldo came closest to the "**** me" signing, and we know how that worked out.

 

When we first came up I thought Gaston was a huge statement of intent and was very excited. I still maintain he wasn't as bad as some make him out to be, on here.

 

Since then, Alderweireld was another huge one considering he'd just played in the champions league final. Since then, VVD, Romeu and Holjbjerg have all been big, exciting additions, the latter mainly because of the clubs they came from.

[baggytrousers]

Does anyone expect us to (be able to) keep VVD for six years? Not sure that financial equation is without a low risk gamble

 

 

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Nobody ever keeps players to the end of their contracts these days. Think the 6 year contract for VVD has to be seen in the context of all the other extended contracts that have been negotiated this summer. A lot of players will stay with the club if they feel valued and believe the club are moving forward and they are par of something special. Witness Jamie Vardy's rejection of Arsenal this summer. It's all about getting a core group of players to give the team some stability and critical mass moving forward and building around that. Achieve this and even the shop window type players will be more tempted to stay longer.

[Useful Idiot]

Why do people bother responding to SFt3 and Glasgow? They're both obvious trolls on here for the windup. Just stop feeding them and they'll eventually get bored.

[trousers]

What an utterly depressing summer for us. We had another opportunity to kick on and really try to stamp ourselves as one of the top 6 sides in the league. Instead we sell 3 of our best players and try to replace them on the cheap

 

We have got away with it last few years but I genuinely think we will be found wanting this season.

 

I am not even excited for the season starting

 

Don't know who or what is to blame but we are still approaching things like it's 2010 rather than accepting wages are now everything and good players now cost a decent wedge.

 

Bottom half this season and no doubt outta Europe at the group stage.... Depressing

 

Chin up Glasgow.

 

You've got to admire his technique though. Posting as Heisenberg and then waiting for 1 hour 20 mins to login and post as Sidney Fudpucker to back himself up. Textbook.

[eddie]

When we first came up I thought Gaston was a huge statement of intent and was very excited. I still maintain he wasn't as bad as some make him out to be, on here.

 

Since then, Alderweireld was another huge one considering he'd just played in the champions league final. Since then, VVD, Romeu and Holjbjerg have all been big, exciting additions, the latter mainly because of the clubs they came from.

 

Alderweireld wasn't a signing...I know you know that but it's just strange to say.

 

He came over on loan, for a world class top player there was something fishy going on. If he wanted the move why not sign a contract? My view is he had in mind a move bigger than Southampton and came to us either to show his talent or because noone had approached.

 

Otherwise agree with the others. Hojbjerg and Romeu have grown on me.

[DT]

Nobody ever keeps players to the end of their contracts these days. Think the 6 year contract for VVD has to be seen in the context of all the other extended contracts that have been negotiated this summer. A lot of players will stay with the club if they feel valued and believe the club are moving forward and they are par of something special. Witness Jamie Vardy's rejection of Arsenal this summer. It's all about getting a core group of players to give the team some stability and critical mass moving forward and building around that. Achieve this and even the shop window type players will be more tempted to stay longer.

 

Yes, but it was held up as being a lot of money spent. In truth that money will almost certainly not be spent (6 years of upgraded wages) but will be offset by selling for multiples of what we bought him for. Which theoretically leaves more for signings (one would hope) now

[S-Clarke]

Funny. This is the first season in as long as I can remember when I've not looked forward to the season starting. The Euro's were a huge disappointment and all I see in the Premiership are teams spending silly money. Clearly nobody learned anything from Leicester last season and they've reverted back to trying to buy the title. The whole thing is becoming a farce.

 

You seem incredibly confused. So you're moaning that we're not showing ambition and spending, yet you're disapointed as PL teams are spending silly money and that no one learned from Leicesters approach.

 

What exactly is it you want?

[tajjuk]

Osvaldo and Ramirez were both hailed as signings that showed we were finally punching with some weight. Result: appalling failure and big disappointment.

 

Most on here were underwhelmed with Mané and so-so with Wanyama, yet when they leave we're selling stars.

 

VVD and Forster were great signings. Yes, we've had the odd flop, but most have developed into solid players or better - Bertrand for example.

 

In most cases there is little correlation between the cost of a player and potential and i believe the majority of clubs are not able to recognise potential, or not prepared or able to see players grow, so they are drawn into throwing stupid money at the names being pushed hardest by agents on the basis of reputation or playing for a "big" club, even though the evidence doesn't hold up.

 

My guess is that our final signings on this window will, as before, be totally off everyone's radar, not expensive, but hopefully will include a Mané or VVD. Players brought in already don't underwhelm me. They clearly have potential and i can't wait to see it develop.

 

It's the Saints way, and long may it continue.

 

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Osvaldo was a silly vanity signing, but Ramirez was sound in idea, young attacking player who'd just had a very good season in top flight football and was a full international. I mean Hojberg basically fits a similar profile.

 

He just didn't work out, but he was an exciting signing at the time, not usually the sort of player clubs newly promoted clubs make.

 

Wanyama was a an exciting signing as well, not sure why anyone would have been underwhelmed as most football fans knew about his Champions League exploits, especially against Barca. He was probably one of the highest rated young talents in Europe not playing in a top league.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

You've got to admire his technique though. Posting as Heisenberg and then waiting for 1 hour 20 mins to login and post as Sidney Fudpucker to back himself up. Textbook.

 

Sorry Trousers but i dont admire him at all i just think he`s a d i ck

[trousers]

What exactly is it you want?

 

[CB Fry]

Why do people bother responding to SFt3 and Glasgow? They're both obvious trolls on here for the windup. Just stop feeding them and they'll eventually get bored.

 

Good point Charlie.

[suewhistle]

You've got to admire his technique though. Posting as Heisenberg and then waiting for 1 hour 20 mins to login and post as Sidney Fudpucker to back himself up. Textbook.

 

Do adults do that?

[Shroppie]

Do adults do that?

Normal adults don't.

 

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[Useful Idiot]

I wish I was a prestigious a poster as that fine gentleman.

 

I'm actually a long-time lurker who has only just managed to get a university email account so I could join, before that I only had hotmail and wasn't able to sign up.

 

I've always thought you've sounded like a lovely chap though mate. Nice to get a kind comment from you.

[jamesfp1]

ITK's... Should we expect an announcement tonight?

[Saint_Ash]

ITK's... Should we expect an announcement tonight?

There are no proper ITK's at the moment, it's all supposition

[Smirking_Saint]

Genuine question as I've no idea, but are saints broke or something? I know it's good to get good value but with the TV money as it is we'd have expected a decent amount spent before we even sold anyone. Something seems a bit odd even if we have spent a bit on new contracts.

 

What sales profit are we on? 40m? We aren't going to spend that are we. Haven't kept track of others but not many can be in massive profit...just everton?

 

You can't question our spend, the Liebherrs are recouping their money.... Despite the 100m+ a year for the past 3 years etc etc

[EBS1980]

If no signing is forthcoming by Thursday (wasn't the original date Wednesday) and the ITKs say it's now Friday, then next week, I think we can safely assume that no one knows anything until it's virtually done.

 

A bit harsh, things are progressing but it's not as though Guan, AR-10 or myself are actually involved in the deal so can never be exact as to when a deal will be completed. the announcement might not be as soon as the ink is dry on the contract. Photos and videos etc are often done ready to go along with the announcement so might be announced the following day etc. Look how long the Pogba deal rumbled on before actually being announced.

[Saint_Ash]

A bit harsh, things are progressing but it's not as though Guan, AR-10 or myself are actually involved in the deal so can never be exact as to when a deal will be completed. the announcement might not be as soon as the ink is dry on the contract. Photos and videos etc are often done ready to go along with the announcement so might be announced the following day etc. Look how long the Pogba deal rumbled on before actually being announced.

I'm not criticising yourself it's just that with the club being very secretive I doubt people who have been told info from insiders have been told the full facts, as you say you're not involved in the deal so these things could go on and on without anyone being the wiser and no one knowing anything until it's done. I was probably harsh saying no one knows anything but if nothing does come to fruition this week then that is what it looks like.

[broken spoke]

From observing other clubs' you often here things like Sadio Mane has gone for a Medical before the deal is announced. But we don't even get to hear that info from our own club....

 

 

why hasn't anyone knobbled a security guard to pass on that info?

[Le Timmier]

I'm actually a long-time lurker

 

Joined in December 2015? That's not long-term lurking! You're a mere toddler in lurking terms!

[Nordic Saint]

You can't question our spend, the Liebherrs are recouping their money.... Despite the 100m+ a year for the past 3 years etc etc

 

To be fair, it's not "the Liebherrs". That whole family business empire is distinct from Katharina, whose father broke away from the family business, built by his own father. The smaller Mali group of businesses he owned and left to his daughter has now been sold off by her, and all that's left is this football club. Markus wanted to own a football club. His daughter just got left with it. I think she knows her father had an emotional attachment to it and he also referred to it in his will so it must be difficult for her to sell it. Another way of looking at it is it's the only business she's got left generating an annual income. However, it is generally assumed she must have billions in the bank from busineses that have already been sold. Whether she really does, nobody knows, as Swiss banks are fairly secretive.

 

None of the hundreds of millions of Premier League income the club has received over the last couple of years appears to have been invested in new players or the stadium and only part of the money received from the sale of players has been spent on replacements. So, it does make you wonder where all the money goes. Quite a lot must go on wages but nowhere near that much.

[hutch]

To be fair, it's not "the Liebherrs". That whole family business empire is distinct from Katharina, whose father broke away from the family business, built by his own father. The smaller Mali group of businesses he owned and left to his daughter has now been sold off by her, and all that's left is this football club. Markus wanted to own a football club. His daughter just got left with it. I think she knows her father had an emotional attachment to it and he also referred to it in his will so it must be difficult for her to sell it. Another way of looking at it is it's the only business she's got left generating an annual income. However, it is generally assumed she must have billions in the bank from busineses that have already been sold. Whether she really does, nobody knows, as Swiss banks are fairly secretive.

 

None of the hundreds of millions of Premier League income the club has received over the last couple of years appears to have been invested in new players or the stadium and only part of the money received from the sale of players has been spent on replacements. So, it does make you wonder where all the money goes. Quite a lot must go on wages but nowhere near that much.

 

[Pilchards]

Does anyone have any info on Mertens?

Can someone post a YouTube clip.

[Monk]

There has been a few changes to technical and support staff behind the scenes over the last twelve months, which I have pointed out had an immediate impact on anything I heard from the club. I obviously cant speak/vouch for others but this may well also be the case for them.

 

I was told that under Nicola that the club once tried to plant a seed with regards to a signing, that of a particular Davide Astori at the time to sound out any 'leaks'.

 

Les Reed takes pride in the fact Saints keep their business in house and on the low down which this day and age is a battle itself with the ways agents conduct themselves, journo's and now social media. Which is interesting when you look at the likes of Liverpool, Everton etc who are happy to share this information before any deal is concluded and we scouff at them, yet seek to have the club be more open.

 

The last genuine snippet I was told and since shared was that contract extensions had been offered had to Tadic, Long, Mane, Victor and Steven.