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shurlock

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Charlie we have this every summer people become fixated on a player who has left and how we will never replace him and that who ever comes in won't be as good a yet here we are still doing well. Mane is a very good player but lets not try and make out he was carrying the whole team last season either. Lallana, Lovern, Clyne, Morgan, Toby even Lambert all players that people were saying we would struggle without and we survived some might say even prospered without them because football is a team game. I actually feel sorry for Redmond the bloke is going have to spend the whole season being compared to Mane because so many fans seem to think we have to replace players with exact clones.

 

You mean as opposed to the dins who rubbish and run players down as soon as they leave, though to be fair your fixation with Mané goes back a lot further. I know it's difficult to admit you're wrong, pal, especially when a player repeatedly makes you look so silly :lol:

 

As for Redmond, nobody's claiming he should be an exact clone. Redmond brings different skills and qualities; however it's not unreasonable to hope that he will have a similar impact in the long run, assuming we do not bring anyone else in.

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Hi Guan.......question for you (unrelated to transfers in as we'll find out soon enough) is what you know of the mood in the camp and how the players are finding Puel and his methods. be fascinated to know how this may differ from thoughts/feelings re. Koeman

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Baird of the land

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Yet again, why do you keep talking about mane from two years ago when it's mane now that Redmond is replacing?

 

I've not seen one person question whether he might improve and do well eventually, they just worry we'd buy someone with one goal from a poor relegated team to replace someone capable of great things now.

 

It was ok for us 2 years ago to buy Mane 2 as a good player to replace our Captain or the long term injured england international Jrod. Redmond hasn't been bought as a 16 year old, who might eventually do well. He's been bought because the scouts think he's got what it takes to do it now. They clearly are basing that on other things than last season's goal record in a poor norwich team. I also think it less a case of Mane suddenly becoming a world beater in 2 years but more a case of big fish spotting he's been a good if erratic player ever since he joined us.

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John Terry put him in his PFA team of the season that year. Its also the reason he was linked with club-record moves away from the club after his first season.

Is that you same John Terry who said Hodgson was the best man to manage England?

 

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You could choose to state that like it's a fact, or you could read Donatello's post above which proves it's utter claptrap...

Seeing as he played so much , how many did he score ? Seeing as he is being elevated to Mane type status by some ?

Must have been heaps huh

 

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Seeing as he played so much , how many did he score ? Seeing as he is being elevated to Mane type status by some ?

Must have been heaps huh

 

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That's a completely different matter. I'm not claiming he can fill Mane's boots - I have doubts whether he will.

 

I'm just picking up on the fact that you're saying Redmond couldn't get in the Norwich team - which is clearly nonsense.

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That's a completely different matter. I'm not claiming he can fill Mane's boots - I have doubts whether he will.

 

I'm just picking up on the fact that you're saying Redmond couldn't get in the Norwich team - which is clearly nonsense.

Ok fair play . I was mistaken .

 

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Lots of refreshing new opinions on thread page 61.

I'm excited to see what thread page 62 is going to hold!!

 

Oh, and back to the issue at hand;

 

O Jogo and The Sun are reporting today we've bid 13m EUR for Christian Tello.

Its around a lot of news sources but seems it came from these.

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Charlie we have this every summer people become fixated on a player who has left and how we will never replace him and that who ever comes in won't be as good a yet here we are still doing well. Mane is a very good player but lets not try and make out he was carrying the whole team last season either. Lallana, Lovern, Clyne, Morgan, Toby even Lambert all players that people were saying we would struggle without and we survived some might say even prospered without them because football is a team game. I actually feel sorry for Redmond the bloke is going have to spend the whole season being compared to Mane because so many fans seem to think we have to replace players with exact clones.

My post wasn't really about the replacement of Mane but the fact that despite watching him at close quarters for two seasons you didn't rate him.

 

Surely you saw that he gave us an x-factor player that usually only the top teams have? Our only player capable of creating something from nothing?

 

If not then fair enough but it would make me question your judgement as was pretty obvious to me that the crowd at St Mary's were suddenly a lot more interested when Mane got the ball in the final third.

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My post wasn't really about the replacement of Mane but the fact that despite watching him at close quarters for two seasons you didn't rate him.

 

Surely you saw that he gave us an x-factor player that usually only the top teams have? Our only player capable of creating something from nothing?

 

If not then fair enough but it would make me question your judgement as was pretty obvious to me that the crowd at St Mary's were suddenly a lot more interested when Mane got the ball in the final third.

 

I've never said I didn't rate Mane only that I didn't rate him as highly a you. There is a massive tendency on here on here to overate players who leave (and yes to underrate them as well). Yes Mane was exciting to watch, good with both feet and running with the ball, strong and scored some good goals but his end product was also not all that at times and he went through some very poor peroids over the two seasons he was here. This old thread makes interesting reading

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?52647-Mane&highlight=Mane

 

Mane has had plenty of critics far harder than me on here especially as I've never been overly critical of him...except in your and Shurlock's world

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Yet again, why do you keep talking about mane from two years ago when it's mane now that Redmond is replacing?

I've not seen one person question whether he might improve and do well eventually, they just worry we'd buy someone with one goal from a poor relegated team to replace someone capable of great things now.

 

Yet again why do you struggle to understand the clubs transfer policy .....

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You mean as opposed to the dins who rubbish and run players down as soon as they leave, though to be fair your fixation with Mané goes back a lot further. I know it's difficult to admit you're wrong, pal, especially when a player repeatedly makes you look so silly :lol:As for Redmond, nobody's claiming he should be an exact clone. Redmond brings different skills and qualities; however it's not unreasonable to hope that he will have a similar impact in the long run, assuming we do not bring anyone else in.

 

I guess your talking about Cedric.....

 

The only place I have some long running fixation with Mane is in your odd little world sunshine :lol:

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Is there any example of a team which has largely played its own Academy products being successful in the Premier League in recent years? Ia league which features some of the best players from all over the world, an over reliance on young English players could lead to us having a very uncompetitive team. You could see that Koeman did his best to accommodate Targett last season, even playing Bertrand behind him to cover for his defensive inadequacies, but Targett was something of a liability and I was relieved when he was dropped as he was costing us points. Perhaps I'm cynical but I get the impression that the main reason Reed wants our Academy products to feature more in the first team is to get them into the shop window as soon as possible because all of the ones who've been good enough to attract buyers in the past, like Shaw and Chambers, have been sold at the first available opportunity. Although if Ward-Prowse, Gallagher, Reed and Targett had been sold this summer, rather than Mane, Wanyama and Pelle, we'd have had a much stronger squad. I doubt that any other Premier League club considered them good enough to bid for though. Personally, I'd just like to see us field the strongest team possible and that's what Koeman did most of the time last season.

 

Following the sale of Mane and Pelle, we look to be short of a striker. Pity we didn't go for Vincent Janssen but Carlos Bacca and Borja Baston are still available.

 

Aren't Tottenham going down this road ? They finished the game against Athletico tonight with 9 out of the 11 having come through their academy. Someone ought to tell them that playing young English players will make them seriously uncompetative.

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Hi Guan.......question for you (unrelated to transfers in as we'll find out soon enough) is what you know of the mood in the camp and how the players are finding Puel and his methods. be fascinated to know how this may differ from thoughts/feelings re. Koeman

 

No idea, will know more when they return to the UK!

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Aren't Tottenham going down this road ? They finished the game against Athletico tonight with 9 out of the 11 having come through their academy. Someone ought to tell them that playing young English players will make them seriously uncompetative.

We also did that at the end of the Twente game. Different matter in the league though.

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I guess your talking about Cedric.....

 

The only place I have some long running fixation with Mane is in your odd little world sunshine :lol:

 

Not sure what your point is. I didn't say I didn't rate Cedric. He has potential and I hope he carries on his euros form but he generally had a disappointing season - he certainly didn't have the same impact as Mané had in his first season. What a moronic, straw-clutching comparison. Let's not forgot that Koeman dropped him and that by the end of the season very few were clamouring for Martina to be dropped. But I guess Koeman's gone from being the Dutch Master who turned us into one of the stingiest defences in the league and steered us to our highest PL finishes to a pig-faced Judas who was simply playing favourites, right :lol:

 

You're painfully out of your depth pal, even at the shallow end of the pool.

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This says Tello was more likely to sign for Saints when Koeman was Manager, presumably due to Barca links:

 

http://sportwitness.co.uk/koeman-key-failed-southampton-transfer-puel-trying-reignite-interest/

 

A number of players were shown around the training ground and facilities last week.

 

This is the first time I've heard anything close to that version of events.

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Aren't Tottenham going down this road ? They finished the game against Athletico tonight with 9 out of the 11 having come through their academy. Someone ought to tell them that playing young English players will make them seriously uncompetative.

What about the team that started their last competitive match?

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By the Norwich fans' own admission Redmond was their best player by a mile but I suppose he was too much of a luxury to play him week in week out as Norwich were getting trounced in every game. So the way I see it, he's a good competition/cover for the long awaited shiny new am/striker we're gonna sign any day now. The other signing is probs a backup goalie and I'm fine with it. Although in a perfect world, we also send the clearly not attacking enough Matty to championship and get ourselves a schlupp type LB.

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We are looking to make 2 more (non youth team) signings by the 9th of august. Relax people!

 

Good news Guan thank you. Glad to see that the thoughts of those who were currently unhappy with the squad depth currently this are shared by the club.

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didnt we just buy a starlet from them???

 

.if you mean Hojbjerg (?) YES and he's just 20 years old, has got 17 caps for Denmark already..and hopefully a lot more mileage in him than Bastien Schweinsteiger,

 

......however looking at the normal Bayern line-up, it's no disgrace ....not to be able to break into their first team at his age.

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Ridiculous suggestion, Bayern profitted from Van Gaal's stupidity to offload Schweini onto Utd. He is finished as a serious footballer, slows everything down to his level. China or MLS beckons.

 

Or he stays at Untied for 2 years (as per his contract) and then retires at the end of it when he is knocking on being 34. He is going to be 32 on Monday. He is supposedly on £275k a week (pre/post tax I don't know).

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Seems odd. The money is still there, the facilities, the European football, Romeu who I assume he played with?

 

You'd think if he considered it before, he'd consider it now?

 

I hope we can get him. Slightly downhill the last year but he looked top quality for Barcelona and scored a few for Porto too. Think we could really get something out of him. Could suit the premier league and adding a good finisher is vital.

 

Tello and Tadic either side of Long or Austin could be really good, with Redmond competing for any of those players or the no10 role. I can dream anyway.

 

Talksport (yeh I know) Facebook is saying we've made a £10m bid.

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What about the team that started their last competitive match?

 

I think the Tottenham example is interesting. They spunked the Bale money on a lot of big name players some of whom eventually came good (Erikson, Lamela), but a lot of whom were a complete waste of money (Soldado, Paulinho, Epoue,etc). They then changed tack a bit and started promoting the young English players into the first team (Kane, Dier, Mason, Ali,etc) and did miles better.

 

This runs contrary to the suggestion earlier on that looking to get a few young English players into the first team is a huge risk. For Tottenham it was the tactic of making big money signings that didn't really deliver and only when they brought in the young English ones (mixed with the better few of the earlier signings) did they really start to improve.

 

Would indicate that a good mix of academy and smart signings is the way to go.

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I think the Tottenham example is interesting. They spunked the Bale money on a lot of big name players some of whom eventually came good (Erikson, Lamela), but a lot of whom were a complete waste of money (Soldado, Paulinho, Epoue,etc). They then changed tack a bit and started promoting the young English players into the first team (Kane, Dier, Mason, Ali,etc) and did miles better.

 

This runs contrary to the suggestion earlier on that looking to get a few young English players into the first team is a huge risk. For Tottenham it was the tactic of making big money signings that didn't really deliver and only when they brought in the young English ones (mixed with the better few of the earlier signings) did they really start to improve.

 

Would indicate that a good mix of academy and smart signings is the way to go.

 

More exciting this way.

Nothing better than supporting one of your own playing for England.

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I think the Tottenham example is interesting. They spunked the Bale money on a lot of big name players some of whom eventually came good (Erikson, Lamela), but a lot of whom were a complete waste of money (Soldado, Paulinho, Epoue,etc). They then changed tack a bit and started promoting the young English players into the first team (Kane, Dier, Mason, Ali,etc) and did miles better.

 

This runs contrary to the suggestion earlier on that looking to get a few young English players into the first team is a huge risk. For Tottenham it was the tactic of making big money signings that didn't really deliver and only when they brought in the young English ones (mixed with the better few of the earlier signings) did they really start to improve.

 

Would indicate that a good mix of academy and smart signings is the way to go.

That's all great and good luck to them, but they won't be having 9 out of 11 from the academy in the regular season, especially as the likes of Dier and Alli did not actually come through the academy, they were signings like any other - Alli cost them as much as Cedric cost us.

 

We are trying to do something similar and maybe we'll see someone new come through this season.

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