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Sorry but what's dull about a manager who's known for improving yound players, has won one of the top divisions in Europe and took a team to a Champions League final?

 

What's dull about signing young players with massive potential including one from the Bundesliga champions?

 

How can you say we have dull ambition when it's clear that our ambition is to constantly improve?

 

What's dull about a red and white kit... were you expecting a glow in the dark number with flashing lights and fireworks?

 

And finally what the hell is dull about our first season in the Europa?

 

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I am not looking at it through rose tinted glasses as you obviously are.

 

It's actually our second season in the Europa but never mind.

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OK Saint Billy, what would you have liked the Board to have done? £32m on Benteke maybe - would that have made you happy? It's all well and good slagging the Board off, but usually the slagging off holds more gravitas if you put some examples as to what they should have done instead.

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Our ambition is obviously to go back to buying kids and then selling them for huge profits, thats fine if your sole ambition is to make money but it is not going to improve our league aspirations and is more likely to be detrimental, and is one of the reasons why our one of our best managers for decades probably moved on.

 

But thanks for the replies chaps, the content was expected and you did'nt fail to disappointment.

 

I think our ambition is to use that to build a platform for future success. Whether we can realistically fulfil that ambition in the current climate of big money swishing around is entirely different. I guess we either hope that our model - which could be considered a source of pride - works or we can draw in a big investor to let us do what some other sides are doing (with varied levels of success).

 

It's clear you're not happy with the current situation but do you believe we have other genuine alternatives?

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It's actually our second season in the Europa but never mind.

 

First time in the group stages, if you want to be pedantic.

 

So you're not interested in the Europa then, too dull for you? Don't you fancy the odd trip to somewhere interesting or a famous ground like the San Siro? Am I dull in looking forward to that? Perhaps you've got the attention span of a goldfish and need constant stimulation, but do tell us what the club should be doing. We'd welcome some positive thoughts, not just an early teens moan of 'I'm bored'...

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It's too early to have a go at the board for a lack of ambition. I'm expecting a couple of big signings before the window closes. If we get nothing else or a Juanmi type signing then I'll be annoyed but the board have earned some patience.

 

Agree with this - I'd describe my current state as "anxious" but a long way from hysterical. Ideally I'd like to see us get new players in for a decent chunk of the pre-season, but it doesn't seem to be how it works (due to players & agents wanting to weigh up options and play the game a bit I'd imagine).

 

I think Redmond may prove to be an adequate replacement for Mane if you compare them as wide players. I'm just not convinced Redmond will be anywhere near as dangerous through the middle, and although I'd love him to prove me wrong, I can't see Tadic making a full time and effective switch to the No 10 role. Hence why I'd like to see us bring in someone there.

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I keep reading reports that Premier League clubs get around 100 million in prize and TV money annually, and Saints seem to make a profit every year in the transfer market. So, where does all this money go? The stock answer on messageboards is that it is all used to pay off Cortese's overspend on the Academy. But, that really doesn't add up. I'd have thought, the club could afford to spend all of the money received in transfer fees plus some of the PL money on players but we don't seem to.

 

My transfer ambition for this summer, stated in a post eraly in this thread, was not to spend a fortune on new players but just to spend what it took to keep last season's best players here, including Mane and Wanyama. Some on here say the only reason players only leave us to get more money so according to that argument we should have had enough money to keep them here.

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Were you the Kirk lookalike or the older bloke?

 

 

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Sorry Give it to Ron, confused.com.

 

OK Saint Billy, what would you have liked the Board to have done? £32m on Benteke maybe - would that have made you happy? It's all well and good slagging the Board off, but usually the slagging off holds more gravitas if you put some examples as to what they should have done instead.

 

I think our ambition is to use that to build a platform for future success. Whether we can realistically fulfil that ambition in the current climate of big money swishing around is entirely different. I guess we either hope that our model - which could be considered a source of pride - works or we can draw in a big investor to let us do what some other sides are doing (with varied levels of success).

 

It's clear you're not happy with the current situation but do you believe we have other genuine alternatives?

 

I would have gone all out to get a up and coming manager ala Frank De Boer or similar. I would want him and his staff to nurture the kids but not make it the be all and end all. Claude Puels pedigree is not that great and he was probably only taken on because he was compliant with Les Reeds focus on the kids demands. I would spend decent money on replacements for VW, Mane and Pelle in order to maintain if not improve on last seasons position. I would have sold Classie who is not up to the job.

 

It's good to see players signing new and long contracts but for me JWP didn't deserve one and should have been sold.

 

What with the new increased TV money and the transfer profits and the compensation for Koeman we could afford it, but it seems that making money rather than using some of it to improve has become the new criteria.

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I would have gone all out to get a up and coming manager ala Frank De Boer or similar.

 

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Ah yes Frank de Boer... Tell me, has he actually got a job somewhere, I see him as a favourite for a lot of jobs but actually getting one of them seems to be a bit more complex. Perhaps he's too demanding in conditions of employment or something.

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I keep reading reports that Premier League clubs get around 100 million in prize and TV money annually, and Saints seem to make a profit every year in the transfer market. So, where does all this money go? The stock answer on messageboards is that it is all used to pay off Cortese's overspend on the Academy. But, that really doesn't add up. I'd have thought, the club could afford to spend all of the money received in transfer fees plus some of the PL money on players but we don't seem to.

 

My transfer ambition for this summer, stated in a post eraly in this thread, was not to spend a fortune on new players but just to spend what it took to keep last season's best players here, including Mane and Wanyama. Some on here say the only reason players only leave us to get more money so according to that argument we should have had enough money to keep them here.

 

I fail to understand what is hard about the concept that players don't want to stay.

 

We kept VW as long as we could. He turned down a great deal and wanted to go. Mane has wanted to go to an "elite" club from the moment he arrived and was determined to move regardless. We offered Mane a deal that would have broken all club records but he said no, I want to go. How do we make them stay and still perform?

 

We've rewarded those we want to keep and who want to stay with great new contracts using the TV ££.

 

We've been canny in the market so far but like many I feel we are an ACM/CF short but it's not about throwing money at it, it's finding the best fit.

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Sorry Give it to Ron, confused.com.

 

 

 

 

 

I would have gone all out to get a up and coming manager ala Frank De Boer or similar. I would want him and his staff to nurture the kids but not make it the be all and end all. Claude Puels pedigree is not that great and he was probably only taken on because he was compliant with Les Reeds focus on the kids demands. I would spend decent money on replacements for VW, Mane and Pelle in order to maintain if not improve on last seasons position. I would have sold Classie who is not up to the job.

 

It's good to see players signing new and long contracts but for me JWP didn't deserve one and should have been sold.

 

What with the new increased TV money and the transfer profits and the compensation for Koeman we could afford it, but it seems that making money rather than using some of it to improve has become the new criteria.

 

The question is what we can actually afford under FFP and a desire to be a self sustaining business. Frankly I don't know and I don't believe you do either. You might be right that we are taking the cheap option but I think the board have earned a little patience and faith. Personally I hope we are not quite done and will wrap up a few deals by the end of the window. In my mind a keeper (McCarthy) and a forward with a bit of creativity (like Sisto but that might just be me being a footballing hipster!).

 

Do you think the money made is not being recycled back into the club? Investment in academy, facilities, commercial development, long term contracts, contingency, transfers etc? If you consider the tying down some of our key players as big signings our transfer window looks a little better. Again maybe your view is correct but I think any definitive judgement could, and should, be saved until the window ends.

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Sorry Give it to Ron, confused.com.

 

 

 

 

 

I would have gone all out to get a up and coming manager ala Frank De Boer or similar. I would want him and his staff to nurture the kids but not make it the be all and end all. Claude Puels pedigree is not that great and he was probably only taken on because he was compliant with Les Reeds focus on the kids demands. I would spend decent money on replacements for VW, Mane and Pelle in order to maintain if not improve on last seasons position. I would have sold Classie who is not up to the job.

 

It's good to see players signing new and long contracts but for me JWP didn't deserve one and should have been sold.

 

What with the new increased TV money and the transfer profits and the compensation for Koeman we could afford it, but it seems that making money rather than using some of it to improve has become the new criteria.

 

It's not just Les Reeds focus on the kids it's what Marcus wanted and insisted on and Katarina is carrying on what her dad wanted to do.

To sell players you have to have a buyer do you think we would have turned down good offers if received?

 

 

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I would have gone all out to get a up and coming manager ala Frank De Boer or similar.

How much is that based on what you think you know of FdB and what you don't know about CP? I know nothing about either's managerial style, so have faith in the Board's choice. They are professionals in football. You and I are amateurs.

 

 

I would want him and his staff to nurture the kids but not make it the be all and end all.

So the same as CP is doing.

 

 

Claude Puels pedigree is not that great

Your opinion seems to differ from those who know the French league and who said he was the last good manager there. I suspect you are basing this on his time at Lyon. Do you know the ins and outs of what was going on at Lyon?

 

 

and he was probably only taken on because he was compliant with Les Reeds focus on the kids demands.

Probably = conjecture. We all have our opinions, but from the outside looking in, you and I have no idea what so ever as to what went on and why he was chosen.

 

 

I would spend decent money on replacements for VW, Mane and Pelle in order to maintain if not improve on last seasons position.

What do you call decent money and which overpriced player would you have bought? It's a bit meaningless just saying "decent money on replacements". As it is, we have replaced 2 of the 3 you mention, and the 3rd was himself a replacement for an injured player. But back to buying, Everton seem to be having a wee bit of trouble buying players and they've got lots of money, so what you think is easy to do, really isn't. Or do you think we should be imprudent and just splash money for the sake of it?

 

 

I would have sold Classie who is not up to the job.

Sold to who? And I am presuming that the management might have a different opinion to you. I don't think he has settled that well, so hope he can this season. My opinion, which I know differs from others, is that he isn't any better than Reed.

 

 

It's good to see players signing new and long contracts but for me JWP didn't deserve one and should have been sold.

As I say, you and I are amateurs. I have faith in the professionals at the club, maybe you should give them the benefit of the doubt as to them knowing what they are doing.

 

 

What with the new increased TV money and the transfer profits and the compensation for Koeman we could afford it, but it seems that making money rather than using some of it to improve has become the new criteria.

TBH, I am so ****ing bored of hearing the new TV money. It seems to make fans think we should all be rushing out and spending £30m on players whose value is less than half that. Personally I want a sustainable club that is debt free, and to me, the first thing that should be sorted out are the director's/owner's loans to the club. Then I would have cut ticket prices.

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I think most fans are frustrated including myself, but you have to wait until the transfer Window is closed before you can judge, we are linked to loads of players like Kapustka then get annoyed we didn't get him, but for all we know it was never on the cards as we keep things out of the media.

 

I'm still hoping for a CAM and a striker. Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg seems a very good player, so lets hope the Black Box can get us two more

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Find it funny that someone thinks that our 12m signing who is a dutch international should be sold because he had a tough transitional season to the prem and that we should not renew but instead sell our highly talented home grown england U21 international.

 

Also rather bemused that spending 12/13m each on replacements isn't decent money. To me it is.

 

I wouldn't have minded De Boer as our coach but dismissing Puel's record whilst extolling De Boer is bizarre.

 

It's not that hard to see that a lot of the new TV money is going into securing our talented player base into long term contracts.

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I think most fans are frustrated including myself, but you have to wait until the transfer Window is closed before you can judge, we are linked to loads of players like Kapustka then get annoyed we didn't get him, but for all we know it was never on the cards as we keep things out of the media.

 

I'm still hoping for a CAM and a striker. Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg seems a very good player, so lets hope the Black Box can get us two more

 

I DONT think most fans are frustrated though ..... most are realistic / sensible / intelligent enough to realise that it's not even August yet & that the transfer window is open for another 5 weeks !!

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I DONT think most fans are frustrated though ..... most are realistic / sensible / intelligent enough to realise that it's not even August yet & that the transfer window is open for another 5 weeks !!

This is true, why anyone would be anxious, worried or frustrated is beyond me.

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I DONT think most fans are frustrated though ..... most are realistic / sensible / intelligent enough to realise that it's not even August yet & that the transfer window is open for another 5 weeks !!

To be fair I think the average fan on the street is a bit fed up with selling our best few players every year. Admittedly this has been masked by some canny buys and good performance over the last few years. Let's hope for a couple more so we can forget about the painful loss of mane to Liverpool. The good news is that it looks like we won't have any more nasty surprise losses this year other than maybe Tadic.

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Our recent transfer business is focussed around selling players for top money and investing in making the OVERALL SQUAD better. This has been a mix of quality, players who will improve quickly and squad depth players. As the quality of the squad and team improves this mix becomes harder and harder to be sufficient. You then move into the realm of needing to sign more quality players, then more players to improve quickly and fewer squad depth who will hopefully be from within. As the quality of player need to come straight into the team improves then signing them becomes harder because clubs of similar of probably greater wealth will be outer competitors so these things will be tougher and therefore take longer to sign. Redmond and Hojgjerg are two that I am very happy with but certainly sit in the "improve quickly" category. What we need are a couple or three even of the "quality" category, and hence the time it appears to be taking!!

The world we live in is full of pre-judgement (different to prejudice in this case) with very low tolerance by most for things to happen, and even when they do in this consumable world we soon want more news as soon as the recent news is announced!

It is extremely tiring reading the impatience of most on here but not surprising!

By the way, have we signed anyone whilst I have been writing this?!!

 

 

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God this summers transfer window is dull, I'm not even excited by the names rumoured which are normally wide of the mark anyway.

 

Dull manager, dull signings, dull ambition, dull kit, dull season ahead and I will no doubt get the normal reaction from the dull 'Saints can do no wrong brigade' on here. Bring it on chaps, you have every right to brown nose your club and I have every right to say how I see it.

 

The transfer process is not there to provide entertainment for anybody. Apart from that the only thing that matters is the football that's played and that hasn't started yet.

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Our recent transfer business is focussed around selling players for top money and investing in making the OVERALL SQUAD better. This has been a mix of quality, players who will improve quickly and squad depth players. As the quality of the squad and team improves this mix becomes harder and harder to be sufficient. You then move into the realm of needing to sign more quality players, then more players to improve quickly and fewer squad depth who will hopefully be from within. As the quality of player need to come straight into the team improves then signing them becomes harder because clubs of similar of probably greater wealth will be outer competitors so these things will be tougher and therefore take longer to sign. Redmond and Hojgjerg are two that I am very happy with but certainly sit in the "improve quickly" category. What we need are a couple or three even of the "quality" category, and hence the time it appears to be taking!!

The world we live in is full of pre-judgement (different to prejudice in this case) with very low tolerance by most for things to happen, and even when they do in this consumable world we soon want more news as soon as the recent news is announced!

It is extremely tiring reading the impatience of most on here but not surprising!

By the way, have we signed anyone whilst I have been writing this?!!

 

 

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You disagree that he is 4th choice at Palace behind Mandanda, Speroni and Hennessey, or that he would be 2nd choice at Saints, or that he isn't as good as the two Irish 'keepers (RoI and NI number 1's)?

 

I disagree it is a big step up to be understudy (2nd choice) to Fraser.

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This is true, why anyone would be anxious, worried or frustrated is beyond me.

 

Perhaps even anxious was strong, but the reason I said I felt as such is because I think our team is weaker, albeit only slightly, than last season. I'm not overly worried or pessimistic yet because there is plenty of time to bolster our squad. However, there is a chance the management overestimate how good some of the players are and try to make do. That, in my opinion, would be a mistake under any circumstances, but certainly in a season where we also have Europa League to contend with.

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I'm not frustrated, I'm still not entirely sure what there is to be frustrated about?

 

I'm frustrated that we sell our best players every summer.

 

I'm also frustrated that our manager left for a similar sized club that finished comfortably below us last season.

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One big signing would make things look a lot better. Right now we look a very boring side with no flair. Need a livewire player to replace Mane, someone who can run at people and score a few goals. Could be a striker, no10, winger, but we need someone.

 

Yeh goalscoring and creating goals looks like a weak area, all our best players are in defence, aside maybe Tadic.

 

Mane is a big hole to fill and in reality we already had a hole there to fill because we've lacked a goalscoring no.10 for ages, if we had had one of those last year I think we would have finished 4th.

 

So really I think we need two stand out attackers to improve the squad on the lines of Ziyech + Boufal.

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I love the fact we are buying young players to groom them into good first teamers.

Watching a kid giving 100% is more satisfying than watching the likes of Mane, Tadic and Wanyama on an off day.

Wanyama was 21 and Mane 22 when we signed them.

 

So they were examples of buying good young players.

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I'm frustrated that we sell our best players every summer.

 

I'm also frustrated that our manager left for a similar sized club that finished comfortably below us last season.

 

Then you're probably supporting the wrong club. To be fair, the investment in the new contracts we're dishing out will protect us a lot more in the future. The sales of players in the last couple of years have been heavily weighted on contract length, they wouldn't sign a new deal and the club couldn't afford to let it run down.

 

It's being made out on here that we aren't even attempting to keep anyone, which is so far from the truth. By letting the likes of Koeman, Mane and co go...we are protecting ourselves financially. They were offered deals to stay, but didn't want to take us up on it.

 

I really cannot see anything to moan about with regards to how the club is run to be honest, there are tons of clubs which are atrociously run out there, with mental head's as owners. Thankfully we're not one of them. We're owned by people who are allowing us to live within our means yet still manage to perform above expectations. I'd say they're doing a pretty incredible job and I'm excited for next season.

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I love the fact we are buying young players to groom them into good first teamers.

Watching a kid giving 100% is more satisfying than watching the likes of Mane, Tadic and Wanyama on an off day.

 

Maybe you should watch the youth team rather than the first team? [emoji12]

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2 from Ziyech, Boufal and Tello and we'd have a brilliant squad. Fck it, sign all three.

 

Ziyech, Boufal and GK and I would be very, very happy with our squad. And maybe one more CM if the Saints want to spoil us!

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Then you're probably supporting the wrong club. To be fair, the investment in the new contracts we're dishing out will protect us a lot more in the future. The sales of players in the last couple of years have been heavily weighted on contract length, they wouldn't sign a new deal and the club couldn't afford to let it run down.

 

It's being made out on here that we aren't even attempting to keep anyone, which is so far from the truth. By letting the likes of Koeman, Mane and co go...we are protecting ourselves financially. They were offered deals to stay, but didn't want to take us up on it.

 

I really cannot see anything to moan about with regards to how the club is run to be honest, there are tons of clubs which are atrociously run out there, with mental head's as owners. Thankfully we're not one of them. We're owned by people who are allowing us to live within our means yet still manage to perform above expectations. I'd say they're doing a pretty incredible job and I'm excited for next season.

 

Nope, I'm supporting the right club. The club has done very well in the Liebherr era but I'd like to see more ambition.

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2 from Ziyech, Boufal and Tello and we'd have a brilliant squad. Fck it, sign all three.

 

As we're having our say on signings: I'd have one from Ziyech / Boufal as our No.10 & I'd like a multi-functioning forward (of which I'm sure Tello is one of many we're looking at).

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One big signing would make things look a lot better. Right now we look a very boring side with no flair. Need a livewire player to replace Mane, someone who can run at people and score a few goals. Could be a striker, no10, winger, but we need someone.

 

 

Redmond is exactly the type of player you are describing.

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Then you're probably supporting the wrong club. To be fair, the investment in the new contracts we're dishing out will protect us a lot more in the future. The sales of players in the last couple of years have been heavily weighted on contract length, they wouldn't sign a new deal and the club couldn't afford to let it run down.

 

It's being made out on here that we aren't even attempting to keep anyone, which is so far from the truth. By letting the likes of Koeman, Mane and co go...we are protecting ourselves financially. They were offered deals to stay, but didn't want to take us up on it.

 

I really cannot see anything to moan about with regards to how the club is run to be honest, there are tons of clubs which are atrociously run out there, with mental head's as owners. Thankfully we're not one of them. We're owned by people who are allowing us to live within our means yet still manage to perform above expectations. I'd say they're doing a pretty incredible job and I'm excited for next season.

 

100% agree with this. I'm more excited for this coming season than I can ever remember being for any previous season. Genuinely think we've got an exciting, innovative manager and have made two very good signings thus far. I'd be happy with the squad if we didn't make another signing TBH but I suspect there are another two or three to come (back-up goalie, RB and quality No 10).

 

Funny how we all watch the same games and come out with vastly different opinions. I loved watching Classie play. Think his range and quality of passing is superb. However Pelle used to drive me mad with his flicks, constantly giving the ball away. I know a lot of people liked him because he scored some goals for us (some of them very good) but give me a clever little ball player like Classie any day.

 

I really like the way our club's heading, two smart signings and the contract extensions for our best players have been brilliant news. Can't wait for the new season.

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A 'creator' that only managed 4 assists in 33 games with no goals, doesn't seem that exciting, hope that one is wrong.

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Nope, I'm supporting the right club. The club has done very well in the Liebherr era but I'd like to see more ambition.

 

But isn't what you mean by “see more ambition” really “see spending more money”?!

 

For me, Saints show plenty of ambition, it’s just our ambition doesn’t involve chucking huge sums of money around.

 

Our ambition is to build long-term self-sustainability by investing in the academy and developing younger players, whilst continuing to be successful.

 

I’d argue that is a far more ambitious project than simply going out and spanking £35 million quid on a couple of Bentekes or suchlike each summer.

 

I think you either buy into the Saints project, or as S-Clarke has suggested, go and support a club who’s ambition is to reach for the stars financially.

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