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Would anyone take Ricky Lambert for a season?

 

No, he looked like a player on a downward spiral during his last season with us. Alex Crook suggested on Twitter the other day that the club wouldn't be bringing in a replacement for Pelle. I find that hard to believe.

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No, he looked like a player on a downward spiral during his last season with us. Alex Crook suggested on Twitter the other day that the club wouldn't be bringing in a replacement for Pelle. I find that hard to believe.

 

It's a replacement for mane I want. Austin is the Pelle replacement.

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No, he looked like a player on a downward spiral during his last season with us. Alex Crook suggested on Twitter the other day that the club wouldn't be bringing in a replacement for Pelle. I find that hard to believe.

 

 

I think I read somewhere the club see Austin as Pelles replacement so as far they are concerned they replaced Pelle already.

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It's a replacement for mane I want. Austin is the Pelle replacement.

This. Clear to me that McQueen, Isgrove, Hesketh are not PL quality. Redmond is a replacement for Juanmi (a good upgrade) but we need to replace Mane properly otherwise our attack will be worse than last season quality wise, which isn't ideal.

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This. Clear to me that McQueen, Isgrove, Hesketh are not PL quality. Redmond is a replacement for Juanmi (a good upgrade) but we need to replace Mane properly otherwise our attack will be worse than last season quality wise, which isn't ideal.

 

I'd make two comments. On what I've seen (TV only) you couldn't say Hesketh is not PL quality. Secondly, while I agree strongly that Mane has to be replaced and Redmond is not the player to do it, I'm not convinced Les sees Redmond as the replacement for Juanmi - he may think he's the replacement for SM. Not that Redmond's a bad player, it's just that we need someone else in that creative AM/striker role.

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Jack Schitt on the other side reckons we've had a bid accepted for a number 10...

 

Probably a rumour based on Jack Schitt hearing a radio snippet that some bloke called Cameron was leaving somewhere, and he heard No 10 mentioned

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In Ziyech 100 appearances in the Eredivisie he got 39 goals and 37 assist. Known for his free kick ability as well as his longshots. Plays a #10 role

And is available for £8m so he can be a bargain

 

Do we have any links with this guy?

 

Can't really understand why anyone hasn't picked him up considering his record, low fee and he's only 23.

 

Sounds exactly like what we need, someone who can score some goals out of nothing, create and take set pieces.

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It's a replacement for mane I want. Austin is the Pelle replacement.

 

I'd like both.

 

I think I read somewhere the club see Austin as Pelles replacement so as far they are concerned they replaced Pelle already.

 

That's some gamble taking into account Austin's injury problems and assuming Rodriguez will get back to the player he was before his injury.

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I'd make two comments. On what I've seen (TV only) you couldn't say Hesketh is not PL quality. Secondly, while I agree strongly that Mane has to be replaced and Redmond is not the player to do it, I'm not convinced Les sees Redmond as the replacement for Juanmi - he may think he's the replacement for SM. Not that Redmond's a bad player, it's just that we need someone else in that creative AM/striker role.

From the U21 games I have seen Hesketh is too lightweight and drifts in and out of games too much.

 

He has a lot of ability and might get there eventually but not this season hence why we need another attacker.

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In Ziyech 100 appearances in the Eredivisie he got 39 goals and 37 assist. Known for his free kick ability as well as his longshots. Plays a #10 role

And is available for £8m so he can be a bargain

 

I really like the look of Ziyech, that would be an amazing piece of business getting him at such a low price, I can't see him leaving for that much though.

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Unbelievable Jeff

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Has any of his waffle come to fruition? Not any of his vague stuff but a proper ITK comment that came good?

 

A lot of it is waffle that could have been said without any itk knowledge. However, that doesn't mean that the information he's passed on has been false. Let's see if we sign a number 10 in the next week or so...

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A lot of it is waffle that could have been said without any itk knowledge. However, that doesn't mean that the information he's passed on has been false. Let's see if we sign a number 10 in the next week or so...
Yeah, that is something that can be defined as he's stated it. As long as he doesn't come out in 3 weeks when something is announced and claim it as he could be lucky. If strong rumours start circulating in the next few days you have to give him his dues.
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I'd like both.

 

 

 

That's some gamble taking into account Austin's injury problems and assuming Rodriguez will get back to the player he was before his injury.

 

Austin doesn't have massive injury problems he played 36+ games the four seasons before last one were he still managed 17 appearances. We bought him injured and he was fit to play by the end of the season but he wasn't getting picked ahead of Long, Pelle and Mane who were all on form at the end of the season.

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Van Dijk is only 25, he has a 5 year contract, has already shown hes much better than Stones has been and will get better as well. He's pretty much the complete centre-back.

 

If it takes £50 million to take Stones from Everton (who wants to move as well) then we should be expecting even more, a better player with a longer contract, doesn't want to move, then it should be silly money.

 

Stones is massively over rated anyway, but this is a league where Man City paid over £30 million for Mangala, £35 million for Otamendi, Man Utd have just paid £30 million for Bailly, who just one year ago cost £4.8 million and is unproven in the Premiership. Koulibally is about to move for over £50 million apparently.

 

Players are going for silly money and players with premiership experience are going for even sillier money. Why would we accept less than silly money for one of the best defenders in the league last year who has just signed a 5 year contract, in the current market?

 

I agree man, your points are correct, I still do not think a 5 year contract and 'this current market' means Van Dijk is worth being like the 3rd/4th most expensive player in history.

 

He's very decent and I'm chuffed he's playing with saints and committed his future to us. But let's be realistic, stones is English, younger and no reason to think he won't be just as complete as VD

 

50m would be silly money for VD

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I cant see why people put any credence in a 5 or 6 year contract. You can make them 20 year contracts if you like but it means SFA. All it does is give the player bigger wages, the agents bigger commission and the club millions more if they sell in the meantime.The agents can still go around touting the player and will know if there is and how much the sell on clause is.

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I cant see why people put any credence in a 5 or 6 year contract. You can make them 20 year contracts if you like but it means SFA. All it does is give the player bigger wages, the agents bigger commission and the club millions more if they sell in the meantime.The agents can still go around touting the player and will know if there is and how much the sell on clause is.

 

The amount of years left on a contract determines the amount of leverage a club has. If there's only a year left the club doesn't have a whole lot of leverage (example: Wanyama) if a player recently signed a new contract then the selling club can demand a price a but over market value (exchange: Lallana). It doesn't make it impossible but the buying club must pay more then the players actual value. So a price of over 50 million in case Stones leaves for that amount isn't that crazy.

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I hope that the information that Jack Schitt has passed on about the no. 10, that its Boufal.

 

If there is any remote truth in what he says (& assuming that it is Boufal) - There's no doubt it would be all over French press. Boufal's people don't seem shy in briefing the media.

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The amount of years left on a contract determines the amount of leverage a club has. If there's only a year left the club doesn't have a whole lot of leverage (example: Wanyama) if a player recently signed a new contract then the selling club can demand a price a but over market value (exchange: Lallana). It doesn't make it impossible but the buying club must pay more then the players actual value. So a price of over 50 million in case Stones leaves for that amount isn't that crazy.
yes i realise that, what i was trying to allude to was that fans think that if we get a player to sign for 5 years he is staying for decent amount of time, but really he is for sale from the minute he signs if the right offer comes along. It is a mutually convenient situation for all
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I see that Rudi Skacel is off to Raith. He's now 37. I cannot believe he's still playing.

 

I still can't listen to the Kaiser Chiefs without thinking of him. When I hear the real lyrics to "Ruby" it just sounds wrong and in my head, I sing along to our version!

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I cant see why people put any credence in a 5 or 6 year contract. You can make them 20 year contracts if you like but it means SFA. All it does is give the player bigger wages, the agents bigger commission and the club millions more if they sell in the meantime.The agents can still go around touting the player and will know if there is and how much the sell on clause is.
The length of contract does clearly matter, that why we let Wanyama go this summer and for only £11m, its not a complicated concept.
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I cant see why people put any credence in a 5 or 6 year contract. You can make them 20 year contracts if you like but it means SFA. All it does is give the player bigger wages, the agents bigger commission and the club millions more if they sell in the meantime.The agents can still go around touting the player and will know if there is and how much the sell on clause is.

 

You say "all it does is.." dismissively and then list out all precisely the reasons people put "credence" in a five or six year contract.

 

It doesn't mean "SFA" , it means the things you have listed in your post and that's all it needs to mean. More wages for the player, yep, agents get a bit, yep and builds in a better fee for any future sale, yep. That's not "SFA", it's significant and the entire point of contracts.

 

Not sure what there is that you don't understand.

 

If we didn't bother giving extensions to Bertrand, VVD, Forster and just let them run down to nothing because they mean "SFA" you'd be blubbering like a baby about lack of ambition.

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The length of contract does clearly matter, that why we let Wanyama go this summer and for only £11m, its not a complicated concept.

 

Exactly, some people seem too thick to understand this.

It puts us in a position of power, if players want to leave, we can either force them to stay for a few years or demand a huge fee in return.

5 or 6 year contracts is what we should have done mane and wanyma at the time and we could have flogged them off for even more money.

At least now the board have realized this and rectified it for all our new signings.

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Exactly, some people seem too thick to understand this.

It puts us in a position of power, if players want to leave, we can either force them to stay for a few years or demand a huge fee in return.

5 or 6 year contracts is what we should have done mane and wanyma at the time and we could have flogged them off for even more money.

At least now the board have realized this and rectified it for all our new signings.

 

But for every Mane & Vic there's a Gaston. Imagine getting stuck for another 2 years with that waste of money

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VivaElTri

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Do we have any links with this guy?

 

Can't really understand why anyone hasn't picked him up considering his record, low fee and he's only 23.

 

Sounds exactly like what we need, someone who can score some goals out of nothing, create and take set pieces.

 

Yea, his set pieces are great. And he is also left footed so JWP can still take his with his right

There are a few links like this one http://www.teamtalk.com/news/twente-star-ziyech-attracting-strong-premier-league-interest

Its a couple weeks old though

We do have a friendly vs Twente so you can watch him play if he plays

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I really like the look of Ziyech, that would be an amazing piece of business getting him at such a low price, I can't see him leaving for that much though.

 

I cant either but Twente have money issues so they are desperate to sell their star players like they did with Tadic

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The job in hand for Puel now he has most of his star names available is to instil his ideas and methods, and also to assess what further signings he might like to make.

 

He has already targeted a right back, and potentially another attacking player to play a deeper role behind a main striker.

 

Source: http:// http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14622118.Puel_ready_to_step_it_up_as_Euro_stars_return/?ref=rss

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I wonder if we have forgotten to tell him Cedric is a Saint! Otherwise i can't see the need for a new right back

Word!

I'm quite puzzled that many people here doesn't seem to rate Cedric. At this stage of Cedrics career he would never settle to play second fiddle, so if we buy a new first choice RB that would most likely mean cedric is off (or at least want to leave). I think he made a quite good contribution last year and i don't know why the criticism coming from. To write off a young player, european winner, with great potential doesn't make any sense to me..

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