BARCELONASAINT Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 I have no idea what the last 2 posters were doing making such sensible contributions.......did you not know this is the suicide thread......we just need Alpine to join in to complete the madness!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Surely this is simply the club playing their cards close to their chest. The other extreme is the Everton strategy of telling everyone that you've got huge piles of cash to spend and its got to be more sensible for the club to keep its plans to itself and not end up being fleeced by the clubs we buy from. That is always assuming there is some veracity to the article and it isn't just the Echo putting 2 and 2 together to fill some column inches. You beat me to it! Would our fans prefer an Everton or West Ham approach to transfer activity I wonder?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Maybe people could for once wait until August to ***** and moan about lack of ambition and relegation and oh I wish we were West Ham or Crystal Palace spunking £100m up the wall on "names" for the sake of it who are ancient and don't fit our system I think people are just commenting on a piece in the local paper. No doubt, close to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Hardly a suicide thread,Saints have sold 3 of there best players and are seemingly only looking at signing a VW replacement. We need Austin & J-Rod to score 20+ goals are you confident they can do that? At the moment I am not sure if they will even play 20 games . Palace may well be paying £25-30 for Benteke but he will score plenty of goals in that team as he is a proven PL striker, who do you think will score more this season Benteke or Gallagher/Seager ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 All the noises point to us not spending big this summer even though we've received a club record fee for Mane along with the money for Vic and Pelle (assuming he goes). With a more competitive Premier League and extra games in the Europa league we needed to increase numbers yet the noises from within seem to suggest we aren't going to do that. Absolute madness in my mind, could all go wrong this year I think. As we witnessed last Dec, it doesn't take much to slip down the table with poor form. Hopefully the board will recognised this when they strengthen the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Hardly a suicide thread,Saints have sold 3 of there best players and are seemingly only looking at signing a VW replacement. We need Austin & J-Rod to score 20+ goals are you confident they can do that? At the moment I am not sure if they will even play 20 games . Palace may well be paying £25-30 for Benteke but he will score plenty of goals in that team as he is a proven PL striker, who do you think will score more this season Benteke or Gallagher/Seager ? Why does everyone think That Austin is some sort of sick note? He played plenty of games before he came here (46, 40, 37 and 36 games in the four seasons before last) and was fit to play at the end of last season. If he gets anywhere near the form he found in a ****e QPR team (18 goals in 36 games) he will be a big upgrade on Pelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Redmond really isnt Mane's replacement, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Surely this is simply the club playing their cards close to their chest. The other extreme is the Everton strategy of telling everyone that you've got huge piles of cash to spend and its got to be more sensible for the club to keep its plans to itself and not end up being fleeced by the clubs we buy from. That is always assuming there is some veracity to the article and it isn't just the Echo putting 2 and 2 together to fill some column inches. Exactly. I'm going to make a wild guess that the club actually does intend to buy quality replacements for Mane and VW, but is doing its best to avoid overpaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 This thread has escalated into full on hysteria today then. Well done everyone. I, for one, am really looking forward to tomorrow. Which just happens to be the ninth of sodding July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Redmond really isnt Mane's replacement, is he? Let's hope not. Several steps down and would indicate the meltdown people predicted two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Why does everyone think That Austin is some sort of sick note? He played plenty of games before he came here (46, 40, 37 and 36 games in the four seasons before last) and was fit to play at the end of last season. If he gets anywhere near the form he found in a ****e QPR team (18 goals in 36 games) he will be a big upgrade on Pelle. To my mind it's not Austin that's the risk (as I agree with the above), it's any kind of reliance on J Rod which is the big worry. For me, he can't be relied upon (which is a horrible thing to admit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 This thread has escalated into full on hysteria today then. Well done everyone. I, for one, am really looking forward to tomorrow. Which just happens to be the ninth of sodding July. Just 36 days until the first game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Why does everyone think That Austin is some sort of sick note? He played plenty of games before he came here (46, 40, 37 and 36 games in the four seasons before last) and was fit to play at the end of last season. If he gets anywhere near the form he found in a ****e QPR team (18 goals in 36 games) he will be a big upgrade on Pelle. Because he was injured at least 2-3 times since joining in Jan,hopefully he regains that form we bought him in for but if he doesn't we will struggle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Have I fallen asleep & woke in either 2014 or 2015??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Have I fallen asleep & woke in either 2014 or 2015??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Redmond really isnt Mane's replacement, is he? Keep saying it. Going on, give yourself a hard on about it. Atta boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 People like a good panic. No one knows what is happening with regard to transfers so why make up stories to panic yourselves? Do people really think we're going to try and compete in four competitions without signing anyone and using the youths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Keep saying it. Going on, give yourself a hard on about it. Atta boy! well, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Does anybody here actually know - for a fact - what transfer market actions the club is taking?? Does anybody here actually know - for a fact - what transfer market actions the club is not taking? Not talking local/national press or such, but actual facts. No? No surprises then! So. like me then, really you all know nothing and simply come on here to spout the annual transfer market bøllocks - such fun!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 We've got enough money to add capacity to the stadium now without having to spend any we do not have..just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 We've got enough money to add capacity to the stadium now without having to spend any we do not have..just a thought... We don't need to add to the capacity of the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 well, is he? West Brom and Bournemouth are our natural rivals now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 We've got enough money to add capacity to the stadium now without having to spend any we do not have..just a thought... Yeah, wrong thread. We don't need to do that and we won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 We don't need to add to the capacity of the stadium. Correct. We don't fill it for 60% of games now. Why expand it at huge costs for very little gain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 We don't need to add to the capacity of the stadium. Well that's not really true is it now. Let's not state this as a fact when it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Well that's not really true is it now. Let's not state this as a fact when it isn't But, we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Correct. We don't fill it for 60% of games now. Why expand it at huge costs for very little gain? Incorrect, check the actual real stats, and why does it need to be full anyway? Small time thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 But, we don't. But I and many other think we do. Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 We're about to sell off our third player, and now everyone just assumes we aren't going to buy anyone. I'm sure we are making a lot of enquries for players. Did we not do similar the last two seasons, selling first, then going and buying replacements? Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Incorrect, check the actual real stats, and why does it need to be full anyway? Small time thinking Empty seats we don't need is what qualifies as big time thinking now? Well done you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 (edited) Empty seats we don't need is what qualifies as big time thinking now? Well done you. Sorry forum clever clogs for not thinking in your way almighty one X Ps go on and have a read of some historical books about where an ambitious approach has led to a growth. It is bigger ambitious thinking that makes things better, I'm not suggesting we build the next Nou Camp but 10k seats would be filled with the correct pricing structure no problem, maybe not all of the time but enough to make a difference. Do you think a restaurant chain shuts because it isn't at capacity all of the time or that maybe 80% of the time it is so it can grow. Now there is a thought... Edited 8 July, 2016 by Daft Kerplunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 This thread has escalated into full on hysteria today then. Well done everyone. I, for one, am really looking forward to tomorrow. Which just happens to be the ninth of sodding July. In case you want to send me a card CB, the next day is my birthday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Incorrect, check the actual real stats, and why does it need to be full anyway? Small time thinking You have answered your own question. If it is not full, it is wasted money. We can all name the sell out games, what about the rest? Lower prices, or not full, either way makes no commercial sense? How can that be small time thinking, it's business thinking, we do not have the catchment for a bigger stadium for the majority of games! Commercial suicide is you thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Correct. We don't fill it for 60% of games now. Why expand it at huge costs for very little gain? It's a bit like motorways - put the m/way there and it will generate traffic...put the seats there and it'll generate fans particularly if we're successful and they drop prices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 But I and many other think we do. Your turn. It's not exactly a lottery to get a ticker for home games these days is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 if we added 8k seats, over the course of a season, a significant extra fans will come through the turnstiles. if that is cost effective, god knows but we do seem to make huge profits every summer these days. why not spend it on something for the long term future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Keep saying it. Going on, give yourself a hard on about it. Atta boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Sorry forum clever clogs for not thinking in your way almighty one X Ps go on and have a read of some historical books about where an ambitious approach has led to a growth. It is bigger ambitious thinking that makes things better, I'm not suggesting we build the next Nou Camp but 10k seats would be filled with the correct pricing structure no problem, maybe not all of the time but enough to make a difference. Do you think a restaurant chain shuts because it isn't at capacity all of the time or that maybe 80% of the time it is so it can grow. Now there is a thought... Start a new thread about it sweetheart. Oh, just one more thing - the management of the club, owned by a billionaire, seven concecutive years of growth and improvement - well they agree with me. They're obviously small time thinkers who have never considered such groundbreaking thinking as to "look how many branches of Zizzi there are these days". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 You have answered your own question. If it is not full, it is wasted money. We can all name the sell out games, what about the rest? Lower prices, or not full, either way makes no commercial sense? How can that be small time thinking, it's business thinking, we do not have the catchment for a bigger stadium for the majority of games! Commercial suicide is you thinking! This part of the world has a population of over 1 million people. Not enough? There are those who think it could be filled, or at least enough to not be 'commercial suicide' as you say and there are those who don't believe we could do better. Simple really and if we weren't on a message board we could have a much deeper discussion about it and possibly see each other's points and either agree to disagree or come to a mutual acceptance of each other's perspective. I happen to believe strongly that we could get more people in if tickets were priced correctly. There are enough venues in enough places in enough entertainment choices to prove my point but I appreciate that won't change everyone's opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Start a new thread about it sweetheart. Oh, just one more thing - the management of the club, owned by a billionaire, seven concecutive years of growth and improvement - well they agree with me. They're obviously small time thinkers who have never considered such groundbreaking thinking as to "look how many branches of Zizzi there are these days". See above. Oh and the owners may well agree we need to add capacity and that is their strategic view for the future, unless of course you are on the board? Or they may think their investment is currently optimised and it will be up to the next owners to invest in the infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 See above. Oh and the owners may well agree we need to add capacity and that is their strategic view for the future, unless of course you are on the board? Or they may think their investment is currently optimised and it will be up to the next owners to invest in the infrastructure. Are you saying the Leibhers haven't invested in infrastructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Correct. We don't fill it for 60% of games now. Why expand it at huge costs for very little gain? The attendance figures and capacity nowadays don't really mean a lot. As long as there are enough there to make a bit of noise I don't suppose the club are too bothered about the numbers, gate money is kind of irrelevant compared with another couple of steps up the PL table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 (edited) Are you saying the Leibhers haven't invested in infrastructure? Did I say that? Nope. They have been superb and they have invested significantly, especially in the training facilities, which is of course a seed that will grow. But there is a next stage. The club is ambitious, and maybe, just maybe this will include stadium infrastructure. I know some people don't believe it could happen but I am merely saying that a not at capacity stadium every week is not necessarily a barrier to building a bigger stadium if there is a strategic ambition to be a bigger club. I guess many people on here don't actually live in Southampton but there are plenty of people I know who don't go to every game because they can't afford it but would love to. Bigger stadium with a different range of pricing would mean those people could attend. It's a much bigger discussion and whilst I should not offend people for small thinking, for which I apologise, there are other people who don't look at what is happening now, and are interested in what could happen if it was created. Edited 8 July, 2016 by Daft Kerplunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 This part of the world has a population of over 1 million people. Not enough? There are those who think it could be filled, or at least enough to not be 'commercial suicide' as you say and there are those who don't believe we could do better. Simple really and if we weren't on a message board we could have a much deeper discussion about it and possibly see each other's points and either agree to disagree or come to a mutual acceptance of each other's perspective. I happen to believe strongly that we could get more people in if tickets were priced correctly. There are enough venues in enough places in enough entertainment choices to prove my point but I appreciate that won't change everyone's opinion. Last thing I want is to fill SMS with hordes of PL tourists out for a day trip with their iPhone selfies, half and half scarves or bringing their miserable looking girlfriends. I'd rather have a 20K stadium filled with hardcore fans all singing and making noise ......but that's probably just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Last thing I want is to fill SMS with hordes of PL tourists out for a day trip with their iPhone selfies, half and half scarves or bringing their miserable looking girlfriends. I'd rather have a 20K stadium filled with hardcore fans all singing and making noise ......but that's probably just me. Well, my point is that we'd that we'd be able to get more locals, and especially younger fans in who can't currently afford it. I'd welcome the singing they'd bring too because it's a bit rubbish at the moment but that's a whole other rabbit hole to wander into sir. Personally I'd welcome the tourists as well but to have the young of the city and area is actually more what the point I made was about. Anyway, back to Pelle going off to play in a non-football country for pots of cash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Did I say that? Nope. They have been superb and they have invested significantly, especially in the training facilities, which is of course a seed that will grow. But there is a next stage. The club is ambitious, and maybe, just maybe this will include stadium infrastructure. I know some people don't believe it could happen but I am merely saying that a not at capacity stadium every week is not necessarily a barrier to building a bigger stadium if there is a strategic ambition to be a bigger club. I guess many people on here don't actually live in Southampton but there are plenty of people I know who don't go to every game because they can't afford it but would love to. Bigger stadium with a different range of pricing would mean those people could attend. It's a much bigger discussion and whilst I should not offend people for small thinking, for which I apologise, there are other people who don't look at what is happening now, and are interested in what could happen if it was created. So it isn't "up to the next owners to invest in infrastructure", then. It's up to our current owners who have invested boatloads in infrastructure. Reading your other posts it looks like you have strolled down the usual routine of let's spend millions on stadium expansion only to slash the price of tickets. Brilliant. What a big thinker you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 So it isn't "up to the next owners to invest in infrastructure", then. It's up to our current owners who have invested boatloads in infrastructure. Reading your other posts it looks like you have strolled down the usual routine of let's spend millions on stadium expansion only to slash the price of tickets. Brilliant. What a big thinker you are. But isn't that the same as a loss-leader? Losing short term but gaining long term. I read somewhere the Southampton is the 6th largest UK conurbation so, theoretically, we have the mass of potential ticket purchasers. So we add 10k seats but only add 5k spectators, for now, but there are times when we will sell out. However, I would imagine SFCs business forecasters have all this well considered - in them we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 This part of the world has a population of over 1 million people. Not enough? There are those who think it could be filled, or at least enough to not be 'commercial suicide' as you say and there are those who don't believe we could do better. Simple really and if we weren't on a message board we could have a much deeper discussion about it and possibly see each other's points and either agree to disagree or come to a mutual acceptance of each other's perspective. I happen to believe strongly that we could get more people in if tickets were priced correctly. There are enough venues in enough places in enough entertainment choices to prove my point but I appreciate that won't change everyone's opinion. I think you and I are definitely on the same wavelength! If they made my £650 season ticket £400 I would be more than happy 45,000 capacity and reduced season ticket prices - count me in! But would that be the case? If it as a bigger ground and discount tickets to watch the cr*p games - you know, WBA , Stoke, boro, burnley, Sunderland, palace, Everton,Watford etc etc you would immediately make season ticket holders worse off. My point is, you spend big money expanding the ground, how do you recover it against the dull teams? Let's be honest, that's what those teams are, small away following, non star filled. Hard sell required without making season ticket holders worse off.....big ask? Especially with Europa league enforced Sunday games and crappy tv enforced Friday / Sunday pm / Saturday lunchtime games.... Not criticising you in any way (up for the beer btw!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 The attendance figures and capacity nowadays don't really mean a lot. As long as there are enough there to make a bit of noise I don't suppose the club are too bothered about the numbers, gate money is kind of irrelevant compared with another couple of steps up the PL table. This. The delta between 12k, 23k or 38k is totally negligible to football clubs now. Below 12k you are in the bottom bracket. Over 50k in the top. We aren't going to put c20k seats on so not much point doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 8 July, 2016 Share Posted 8 July, 2016 Sounds like Djibril Sidibe is off to Monaco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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