verlaine1979 Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 At the start of the summer I think 99.9% of us we in agreement that a CB and DCM partner for OR were the key areas plus keeping the players we had. We've done that so to now be mithering how we've not secured some mythical AM is rather pathetic. Yes we all know we are short of goals but it appears some of our online fanbase live in a world where the sort of players the are alluding to grow on the magic footballer tree. Nab one in a last min deal and we've had an outstanding window, don't and it's still been excellent. Guff. Plenty of people have been asking for an upgrade at #10 for a couple of summers now. Moreover, it's hardly asking the earth for the club to bring in 3 reasonable signings (and there's no way Bednarek counts towards that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Guff. Plenty of people have been asking for an upgrade at #10 for a couple of summers now. Moreover, it's hardly asking the earth for the club to bring in 3 reasonable signings (and there's no way Bednarek counts towards that). Who are you hoping that we'll bring in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 At the start of the summer I think 99.9% of us we in agreement that a CB and DCM partner for OR were the key areas plus keeping the players we had. We've done that so to now be mithering how we've not secured some mythical AM is rather pathetic. Yes we all know we are short of goals but it appears some of our online fanbase live in a world where the sort of players the are alluding to grow on the magic footballer tree. Nab one in a last min deal and we've had an outstanding window, don't and it's still been excellent. Yes, but Rodriguez has gone (which is fine) and Gallagher has gone again (which is fine) and Long may still go. If he does, it'd be lovely to have someone come in, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Who are you hoping that we'll bring in?An attacking player with some pace that will allow us to score more goals and provide some more entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Yes, but Rodriguez has gone (which is fine) and Gallagher has gone again (which is fine) and Long may still go. If he does, it'd be lovely to have someone come in, right? There's surely no chance we'd let Long go without getting someone in is there? We'd be one injury away from a very serious problem. That's my issue with the window, I'm delighted with the players we have brought in but our main issue is that we cannot score goals. We had a limited number of options last year (and I think we all agreed we were a player short before Gabbi joined) yet we've let two strikers go this summer and are just as limited as we were last year. I think that the striker/forward issue not being addressed is a legitimate criticism this window (which may yet be rectified) irrespective of who else we've brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Home growns go on loan. Our transfer policy In a nutshell Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Home growns go on loan. Our transfer policy In a nutshell Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk There used to be a time when Uncle Les was fiercely and vocally opposed to loaning out youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Home growns go on loan. Our transfer policy In a nutshell There used to be a time when Uncle Les was fiercely and vocally opposed to loaning out youngsters. Now the quality bar to be in the first team squad is higher, so the policy has changed due to the stronger depth of squad we have. They need to go on loan to get them to the higher level needed to be in the Saints squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 An attacking player with some pace that will allow us to score more goals and provide some more entertainment. I wasn't asking you. But seeing as you're the smart ass - I specifically asked who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 I wasn't asking you. But seeing as you're the smart ass - I specifically asked whoSeems like an unnecessarily hostile tone to take. It's not my job to find the specific player, that's a job for the club and it's much touted black box and scouting network. We will have a number of players in mind as we do for every position and I'd like us to go for one of those. No need for fans to know the identities before we sign- it's the Southampton way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Now the quality bar to be in the first team squad is higher, so the policy has changed due to the stronger depth of squad we have. They need to go on loan to get them to the higher level needed to be in the Saints squad. No, that's rubbish. Cortese always wanted too much for our players that other clubs wouldn't pay (ridiculous loan fee's and all wages paid). LR's comments were just a smoke screen. Our team back then was much stronger than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 No, that's rubbish. Cortese always wanted too much for our players that other clubs wouldn't pay (ridiculous loan fee's and all wages paid). LR's comments were just a smoke screen. Our team back then was much stronger than it is now. Our team may have been stronger at some points (although not upon arrival in the PL), but in defence of my fellow pedant, he said the bar for entry to the Squad is higher. There isn't much doubt that our squad is stronger than at any time since our return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Zapata is close to joining Sampdoria. He's a striker, and Vietto was rumored to be joining Sampdoria a week or so ago, which has seemingly never materialized. Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Seems like an unnecessarily hostile tone to take. It's not my job to find the specific player, that's a job for the club and it's much touted black box and scouting network. We will have a number of players in mind as we do for every position and I'd like us to go for one of those. No need for fans to know the identities before we sign- it's the Southampton way. Who from other teams in the league fits the description of the sort of player you would want us to buy? Exclude the top 6, and also Everton as we all agree that Gylfi Sigurdsson would walk into our team, just not at £45m. Lanzini, Matt Phillips, Joe Allen? I like the look of Roberto Pereyra at Watford but he's been injured most of the time he's been on these shores. I'm not saying to suggest a signing, more to identify a player that meets the description of what we need. This post isn't meant to be flippant or argumentative in case it sounds that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 (edited) Seems like an unnecessarily hostile tone to take. It's not my job to find the specific player, that's a job for the club and it's much touted black box and scouting network. We will have a number of players in mind as we do for every position and I'd like us to go for one of those. No need for fans to know the identities before we sign- it's the Southampton way. Quick recap - my question, (which was specifically directed at another poster), was "who are you hoping we'll bring in?" It's a little unclear (to me at least) how your waffle about it not being your job relates to that question - but ok Edited 31 August, 2017 by Le Timmier missing spaces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Might be covered elsewhere but in the Ben Phillips tweet posted in the OX sell on fee thread there are a couple saying we have offered for Demarai Gray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 No, that's rubbish. Cortese always wanted too much for our players that other clubs wouldn't pay (ridiculous loan fee's and all wages paid). LR's comments were just a smoke screen. Our team back then was much stronger than it is now. I didn't say team, I said squad. There is far more depth to our squad now. The depth when in the first couple of years after promotion was poor beyond the starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Our team may have been stronger at some points (although not upon arrival in the PL), but in defence of my fellow pedant, he said the bar for entry to the Squad is higher. There isn't much doubt that our squad is stronger than at any time since our return. First full season under poch (13/14 season): Bourc Clyne Fonte Lovren Shaw schneiderlin Wanyama JayRod Davis Lallana Lambert Davis, Chambers, Yoshida, Puncheon, JWP, Gaston, Fox, Cork, Osvaldo, Guly Is just as strong, if not stronger than what we currently have. The issue was it was difficult to find someone willing to pay what we wanted for our younger players. That was down to Cortese, not Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Targett to Newcastle is done according to Not606's resident ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 our best team since being promoted and taking the players in their pomp at saints... Forster Clyne Toby VvD Bertrand Morgan Wanyama Mane Lallana Rodriguez Lambert IMO before people spazz out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 There used to be a time when Uncle Les was fiercely and vocally opposed to loaning out youngsters. Times change. The academy have not been turning out much more than journeymen of late so sending the last crop out on loan is the only way to drum up any interest in them and bids. It is doubtful any of them will ever be good enough for the top six team that we aspire to be and Les knows this. Chelsea have been doing this for years with an even lower success rate than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 We have targets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Last season people were crying out for a DM and another CB we got both of those and we have off loaded some dead weight from the squad. Assuming no last minute deals we have also kept hold of our best players for the first summer in years. Considering some of your previous summer meltdowns I can't believe you can't consider this a good window. Fans always want more, of course, I'd like a really good AM with a high assist rate to get the best out of strikers and I had hoped for a new goal keeper rather than reward Forster for being **** but really assuming no last minute sales this has got to go down as a good summer for us.Does keeping your best players count when your best player is so disillusioned with the club he literally tried everything he could to get away from it ? Would rather players wanted to stay rather than were forced to Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 First full season under poch (13/14 season): Bourc Clyne Fonte Lovren Shaw schneiderlin Wanyama JayRod Davis Lallana Lambert Davis, Chambers, Yoshida, Puncheon, JWP, Gaston, Fox, Cork, Osvaldo, Guly Is just as strong, if not stronger than what we currently have. The issue was it was difficult to find someone willing to pay what we wanted for our younger players. That was down to Cortese, not Reed. Errant nonsense. SQUAD - just look at that bench, and their ages at that time. Give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Wouldn't it be good to see Theo back here again Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Wouldn't it be good to see Theo back here again Sent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkYes but no chance. Sanchez to City Ox to Liverpool along with wages rule that out. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Wouldn't it be good to see Theo back here again Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk No one outside of the world's biggest clubs can afford to buy players from Arsenal they sign average players to stupidly high paid contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Errant nonsense. SQUAD - just look at that bench, and their ages at that time. Give it up. Hmmmm I dunno... that bench has JWP, who wasn't much different then to how he is now, Cork & Puncheon who still compete for first team PL places, Yoshida who is currently our best centre back and Chambers who was directly competing with Clyne that season and would probably be in our matchday squad now if he hadn't moved to Arsenal. I agree that our squad is stronger now, but when you look at the team from SKD, it's not significantly weaker. You have to take into account how strong the best players were as well as how weak the poor ones were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 No one outside of the world's biggest clubs can afford to buy players from Arsenal they sign average players to stupidly high paid contracts. Welcome to the Baggies, @KieranGibbs!#WBA pic.twitter.com/NOSXkJHVfp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Errant nonsense. SQUAD - just look at that bench, and their ages at that time. Give it up. 5 of them are still playing in the PL and another could easily still be if he wasn't such a head case. I'm telling you for a fact the reason why we didn't send players out on loan, but you believe what you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Fair play, WBA have had an excellent summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Wouldn't it be good to see Theo back here again Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Only the professionally ****ed off on here would be disappointed with that. I think he'd be extremely good for us. He'd have a point to prove to his critics at Arsenal and would be a big fish in a small pond. That's always been good for our best players. Sadly, I can't see it happening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Wouldn't it be good to see Theo back here again Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk The only way this would be possible was if we were to sell VvD. Even then, i'm not sure we will pay what he will expect (he's not worth over £100k a week). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 The only way this would be possible was if we were to sell VvD. Even then, i'm not sure we will pay what he will expect (he's not worth over £100k a week). Nobody is worth that or anything approaching it. But, given the stupid state of PL wages, wouldn't it be worth splashing out on a player who would lift the team and supporters alike? But, it's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 At the start of the summer I think 99.9% of us we in agreement that a CB and DCM partner for OR were the key areas plus keeping the players we had. We've done that so to now be mithering how we've not secured some mythical AM is rather pathetic. Yes we all know we are short of goals but it appears some of our online fanbase live in a world where the sort of players the are alluding to grow on the magic footballer tree. Nab one in a last min deal and we've had an outstanding window, don't and it's still been excellent. Yep, pretty much agree with all of this. The VvD saga has taken center stage in the club for far too long as far as I'm concerned, given that he didn't actually play for us for half the season last year as well, we haven't done too badly at all. Obviously (if he stays) he makes us stronger so long as his attitude and application is right. But I've been more than happy with what we've got. We don't score enough goals, we all know that, but trying to find a 20 goal a season striker is not quite as easy as some people on here seem to think it is. All in all, pretty happy with what we've got, looking forward to the Watford game once the Transfer Deadline Circus has left town and everything has settled down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Anything more on the Targett to Magpies rumour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 (edited) Welcome to the Baggies, @KieranGibbs!#WBA pic.twitter.com/NOSXkJHVfp Well yes, I was exaggerating for emphasis. Thank you for your input though Edited 31 August, 2017 by farawaysaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Surely Gardos is going out too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Surely Gardos is going out too? Who's likely to take him though, seriously ? Bloke just hasn't played more than a handful of hours in over 3 years. Seems to get injured a lot as well, who's going to take a punt on that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Who's likely to take him though, seriously ? Bloke just hasn't played more than a handful of hours in over 3 years. Seems to get injured a lot as well, who's going to take a punt on that really. Someone abroad probably, not good enough for the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Someone abroad probably, not good enough for the Premier League. Don't see it, we'll probably not subsidise his salary to anywhere near the extent and club willing to take him on would want. Might go out on loan to a lower UK league later in September though at a huge cost to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 This Ben Phillips chap who said £8-10m for Ox, is now saying that Vietto agreed bar personal terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 An old SWF transfer rumour favourite Lasogga has joined Leeds on loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Hmmmm I dunno... that bench has JWP, who wasn't much different then to how he is now, Cork & Puncheon who still compete for first team PL places, Yoshida who is currently our best centre back and Chambers who was directly competing with Clyne that season and would probably be in our matchday squad now if he hadn't moved to Arsenal. I agree that our squad is stronger now, but when you look at the team from SKD, it's not significantly weaker. You have to take into account how strong the best players were as well as how weak the poor ones were. Thank you. My (MLG's) point was that our squad is now stronger, and it is harder for youngsters to break in to it, hence why more are now going out on loan. The team is equivalent, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Agreed but arguably this window only rectifies the abysmal window we had last summer and doesn't address the problems identified last window. My prediction is that we will continue to struggle to score until Jan when we finally do something about it. We always seem a window behind. Can't argue with the players we have brought in though. That sums it up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Hmmmm I dunno... that bench has JWP, who wasn't much different then to how he is now, Cork & Puncheon who still compete for first team PL places, Yoshida who is currently our best centre back and Chambers who was directly competing with Clyne that season and would probably be in our matchday squad now if he hadn't moved to Arsenal. I agree that our squad is stronger now, but when you look at the team from SKD, it's not significantly weaker. You have to take into account how strong the best players were as well as how weak the poor ones were. Thank you. My (MLG's) point was that our squad is now stronger, and it is harder for youngsters to break in to it, hence why more are now going out on loan. The team is equivalent, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Dundee United knock back Southampton interest in Jamie Robson: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-united/501294/dundee-united-knock-back-southampton-interest-jamie-robson/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Don't see it, we'll probably not subsidise his salary to anywhere near the extent and club willing to take him on would want. Might go out on loan to a lower UK league later in September though at a huge cost to us. Don't think you can do that anymore Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 Who are you hoping that we'll bring in? I honestly don't know. We've got a scouting and analytics department that loves to pat itself on the back, so I suppose I'd like us to bring in someone I've never heard of, but whom our scouts and analysts believe has a reasonable chance of making it in the league. I'm not asking for or expecting a guaranteed impact - just a chance of improvement, which we wont have unless we bring in new blood. Also, not to labour the point, but its not as if all the great players have already been found - Kante, Mane, Mahrez - all emerged in the PL in the last three years, without Europe-wide battles for their signatures at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 31 August, 2017 Share Posted 31 August, 2017 This Ben Phillips chap who said £8-10m for Ox, is now saying that Vietto agreed bar personal terms Random chap on Twitter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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