Saints Transfers Thread - Deadline Day

[Convict Colony]

20 - 25mil

[Pilchards]

20 - 25mil

Will never spend that.

Offer Clasie as a trade?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The Echo quoting Pellegrino saying unlikely to be any more signings. Hope he is pulling someone's leg as I can't believe we are going into the autumn with just 3 not always fit strikers. At least hold onto Gallagher.

[DT]

Penny pinching

 

 

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[Pilchards]

The Echo quoting Pellegrino saying unlikely to be any more signings. Hope he is pulling someone's leg as I can't believe we are going into the autumn with just 3 not always fit strikers. At least hold onto Gallagher.

 

A joke.

If Gabby gets injured then where the **** will the goals come from Redmond, Long, Tadic and Davis.

Then you still hope that Austin can get through 50% of our games.

[Convict Colony]

Will never spend that.

Offer Clasie as a trade?

 

hahahaha as a ex Feyenoord captain he will be as welcome as a the clap at Ajax

[Baird of the land]

The Echo quoting Pellegrino saying unlikely to be any more signings. Hope he is pulling someone's leg as I can't believe we are going into the autumn with just 3 not always fit strikers. At least hold onto Gallagher.

 

Given we play one up front and gallagher didn't even make the bench for the games he was here for(hence no doubt why he was loaned out), i can understand why the club wouldn't want to bring in a 4th choice striker unless something special happens.

[pangy]

Talisca from Benfica would be decent,been on loan at Besiktas last season and scored a lot of goals,would be £20m+ I reckon but you are not getting a free scoring CAM for any less,we need to stop shopping in Europes bargain bin and put out some serious ££ for one

[John D]

The Echo quoting Pellegrino saying unlikely to be any more signings. Hope he is pulling someone's leg as I can't believe we are going into the autumn with just 3 not always fit strikers. At least hold onto Gallagher.

 

That assumes Gallagher is good enough for Premier League. Blackburn fans I know seemed to think he is a way off still. So perhaps a loan is better for his long term development to play consistently rather than stop start appearances and bench role here.

 

I think we should be signing a proven player for this season and hope Gallagher can kick in for next to replace Long or Austin.

[hypochondriac]

Failure to get in a decent attacking creative player will be another summer of not addressing our most glaring weakness. We did similar last season and it came back to bite us.

[Saint IQ]

Talisca from Benfica would be decent,been on loan at Besiktas last season and scored a lot of goals,would be £20m+ I reckon but you are not getting a free scoring CAM for any less,we need to stop shopping in Europes bargain bin and put out some serious ££ for one

 

Joined them on a 2 year loan unfortunately http://www.bjk.com.tr/en/news/67070/anderson_talisca_joins_besiktas.html

[SKD]

Failure to get in a decent attacking creative player will be another summer of not addressing our most glaring weakness. We did similar last season and it came back to bite us.

 

Spot on - unfortunately I don't think we will. We'll end up buying another small / skillful winger.

[Batman]

Failure to get in a decent attacking creative player will be another summer of not addressing our most glaring weakness. We did similar last season and it came back to bite us.

 

we are regressing to a level where staying up is a success

[hypochondriac]

Spot on - unfortunately I don't think we will. We'll end up buying another small / skillful winger.

 

Seems bizarre if we want a successful season to ignore our most obvious deficiency. I think at the start of the window most would have said a DM was the priority which we addressed but then a creative attacking player was second most important and if we don't get in the correct sort of player we will have messed up in my opinion. Antonio showed us the type of player we were missing last Saturday.

[hypochondriac]

we are regressing to a level where staying up is a success

 

I wouldn't be that dramatic as yet- we have definitely regressed from a few seasons ago but that was sadly inevitable with the amount of sales we have had. If we don't bring in some real quality in an attacking position though I will be forced to conclude that we have lost some of that ambition that saw us shooting for the European places.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

That assumes Gallagher is good enough for Premier League. Blackburn fans I know seemed to think he is a way off still. So perhaps a loan is better for his long term development to play consistently rather than stop start appearances and bench role here.

 

I think we should be signing a proven player for this season and hope Gallagher can kick in for next to replace Long or Austin.

 

Don't know if your friends regularly went to watch Rovers but I sat in the away end for several of their games last season and no one near me had a bad word. Indeed it hat was quite a clamour for him to come back. I am not saying he is top Premier League standard yet, but relying on Austin and Long staying fit is a gamble lessened with Sam in the wings.

[Batman]

I wouldn't be that dramatic as yet- we have definitely regressed from a few seasons ago but that was sadly inevitable with the amount of sales we have had. If we don't bring in some real quality in an attacking position though I will be forced to conclude that we have lost some of that ambition that saw us shooting for the European places.

 

staying up would be a success for the new owners. That is about it IMO.

look around the league, everyone is bringing in internationals and spending £15m on players.

 

to not bring in a starting quality AM is just ridiculous.

This will be followed up with some guff from Reed that we are best placed to push for a CL spot if any of the 'top 4' have a bad season and that we have the best midfield options in the league.

[SKD]

we are regressing to a level where staying up is a success

 

Unfortunately this is true.

 

We got very very lucky with Koeman in the fact he's a very good manager and had very good players (Mane, Wanyama, Toby, Morgan, Pelle).

 

I've always maintained that ours is a very high risk strategy and it only takes a few bad windows to fall dramatically (look at Swansea, who were in a similar position to us a few years back).

[John D]

Don't know if your friends regularly went to watch Rovers but I sat in the away end for several of their games last season and no one near me had a bad word. Indeed it hat was quite a clamour for him to come back. I am not saying he is top Premier League standard yet, but relying on Austin and Long staying fit is a gamble lessened with Sam in the wings.

 

They are season ticket holders - their view was that he had potential but not ready yet. No idea myself as not watched him but they tend to know their football. If Gallagher won't be playing regularly he may benefit from more games elsewhere but equally you have to take a punt on him at some point. I guess Saints must rate him given the new contract so fingers crossed he comes good.

 

I agree it is too much of a gamble to rely on Austin / Long hence need to get someone else in.

[View From The Top]

I agree we need a CAM but so does everyone else and why it's so damn hard to find one.

[Monk]

Jovetic available..

 

Not sure its a Saint's type of signing. Even thought I'm not sure what that is anymore.

[DuncanRG]

I've always maintained that ours is a very high risk strategy and it only takes a few bad windows to fall dramatically (look at Swansea, who were in a similar position to us a few years back).

 

We have been and still are a better team than Swansea at their peak. They had a good run in the Europa League run once but got there through the league cup; they flitted between top and bottom half and never got above eighth. High risk strategies tend not to end in four successive strong finishes like we've had.

 

We got very very lucky with Koeman in the fact he's a very good manager and had very good players (Mane, Wanyama, Toby, Morgan, Pelle).

 

They didn't fall out of the sky, that lot, we signed and developed them. There's no luck about it even if it was a stronger side than we have now.

[Cartman]

Jovetic available..

 

Not sure its a Saint's type of signing. Even thought I'm not sure what that is anymore.

 

27 years old, so too old for us. I think Gabbi at 25 is the oldest we have paid any sort of big money for in the last 2 years. Austin was cheap, Pied, Cácares, Taylor freebies.

Pellegrino said a few weeks ago that we missed out on a couple of players, I'm convinced Defrel was one we really were after, and that we want a forward who is left footed and plays on the right side. I suppose we will only sign someone if such a player is available, and will leave it until January if not. Mark Uth has just one year left on his contract, worth trying.

[the saint in winchester]

Definitely a striker coming in.

 

Hope you're right. However, I am not expecting any more incoming, just a few OUT the door now.

[CB Fry]

we are regressing to a level where staying up is a success

Why did we sack our previous manager for finishing eighth then?

[Greenridge]

27 years old, so too old for us. I think Gabbi at 25 is the oldest we have paid any sort of big money for in the last 2 years. Austin was cheap, Pied, Cácares, Taylor freebies.

Pellegrino said a few weeks ago that we missed out on a couple of players, I'm convinced Defrel was one we really were after, and that we want a forward who is left footed and plays on the right side. I suppose we will only sign someone if such a player is available, and will leave it until January if not. Mark Uth has just one year left on his contract, worth trying.

 

Graziano.

[SuperSAINT]

http://readsouthampton.com/2017/08/25/southampton-interested-milan-youngster-tonin/

[baggytrousers]

staying up would be a success for the new owners. That is about it IMO.

look around the league, everyone is bringing in internationals and spending £15m on players.

 

to not bring in a starting quality AM is just ridiculous.

This will be followed up with some guff from Reed that we are best placed to push for a CL spot if any of the 'top 4' have a bad season and that we have the best midfield options in the league.

 

Think Les's statements are a lot closer to the mark than your ridiculous claim that staying up would be a success.

 

What a load of rubbish you come out with !!

[angelman]

Why did we sack our previous manager for finishing eighth then?

 

Cos he wasn't regressing quickly enough??

[baggytrousers]

Unfortunately this is true.

 

We got very very lucky with Koeman in the fact he's a very good manager and had very good players (Mane, Wanyama, Toby, Morgan, Pelle).

 

I've always maintained that ours is a very high risk strategy and it only takes a few bad windows to fall dramatically (look at Swansea, who were in a similar position to us a few years back).

 

Much better to go for a strategy of spending a load of cash on proven premiership players like Sunderland or West Ham have done. That seems to be much lower risk than our 'lucky' approach.

[shurlock]

Much better to go for a strategy of spending a load of cash on proven premiership players like Sunderland or West Ham have done. That seems to be much lower risk than our 'lucky' approach.

 

It's called B-A-L-A-N-C-E pal.

[SKD]

Much better to go for a strategy of spending a load of cash on proven premiership players like Sunderland or West Ham have done. That seems to be much lower risk than our 'lucky' approach.

 

In all honesty, I'd rather take the Everton approach and cherry pick the best of the rest players / manager.

 

There's a huge difference between getting players that are past it and paying huge wages (west ham & Sunderland) and getting young talent, that cost a premium, but will instantly improve your squad and are tried and tested in the PL (Everton)

 

We are always looking for a bargain which we can improve and sell on, which is fine when it pays off, but 2 or 3 bad windows and you're left with a bang average side (as we currently are)

[mrfahaji]

In all honesty, I'd rather take the Everton approach and cherry pick the best of the rest players / manager.

 

There's a huge difference between getting players that are past it and paying huge wages (west ham & Sunderland) and getting young talent, that cost a premium, but will instantly improve your squad and are tried and tested in the PL (Everton)

 

We are always looking for a bargain which we can improve and sell on, which is fine when it pays off, but 2 or 3 bad windows and you're left with a bang average side (as we currently are)

 

But who falls into that category? I'd agree that Keane, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson are excellent signings, but how much were they? £30m, £24m and £45m? That's a lot to shell out, and basically puts that kind of approach out of our reach. Gueye has probably been their best buy when you factor in price as well, and to be honest we could have got him (and were rumoured to be in for him), but a lot of people on here were scornful of such a bid - after all, Villa had just gone down, how could any of their players possibly be good enough?

 

Everton's approach has been helped by a new owner willing to splash the cash, but more so by the sale of Lukaku. Having said that, we may yet see that even using the money to buy good players (which they appear to have done), often doesn't adequately replace someone who sticks the ball in the net.

[SKD]

But who falls into that category? I'd agree that Keane, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson are excellent signings, but how much were they? £30m, £24m and £45m? That's a lot to shell out, and basically puts that kind of approach out of our reach. Gueye has probably been their best buy when you factor in price as well, and to be honest we could have got him (and were rumoured to be in for him), but a lot of people on here were scornful of such a bid - after all, Villa had just gone down, how could any of their players possibly be good enough?

 

Everton's approach has been helped by a new owner willing to splash the cash, but more so by the sale of Lukaku. Having said that, we may yet see that even using the money to buy good players (which they appear to have done), often doesn't adequately replace someone who sticks the ball in the net.

 

Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Gueye, Koeman, arguably Williams and dare I say it Rooney (Not that he would have singed for us anyway) all cost a fair amount but would have significantly improved us.

 

We were in a much better position than Everton, we had the chance to really push on a cement our place in the top 7 (in which case we could have signed all of those mentioned above), but something changed, we lost ambition and are not willing to invest (before anyone says we spent this year, we also received a massive amount of TV money) to improve the team / push on.

 

Fair enough if the club want to be a business and make a profit each year, but i'd rather they just admit that this is the ambition.

 

How much extra would it have cost to keep Koeman? I bet the amount we spent on recruiting Puel and MP and sacking Puel, it wouldn't have been much more than we've actually spent.

[East Kent Saint]

It's all about money , Everton's new owners are obviously pushing the boat out , Saints did not have the cash to do this so we are where we are . If Everton are slightly higher in the league at the end of the season they will get a bit of extra cash but not being a glamour club they may not be better off overall. The excesses of City, PSG, Barca , etc are way out of our league as we are not backed by a dodgy regime wishing to rehabilitate their reputation through the football business . I know human rights in China are a joke so I am depressed that we are having to take their money , even indirectly .

[LeBenali]

Definitely a striker coming in.

 

The fact you're so certain makes me think it's a younger unproven player...unless we have a list of 2 or 3 and know for definite we want one, with the decision on which coming down to negotiations etc

 

 

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[mrfahaji]

Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Gueye, Koeman, arguably Williams and dare I say it Rooney (Not that he would have singed for us anyway) all cost a fair amount but would have significantly improved us.

 

We were in a much better position than Everton, we had the chance to really push on a cement our place in the top 7 (in which case we could have signed all of those mentioned above), but something changed, we lost ambition and are not willing to invest (before anyone says we spent this year, we also received a massive amount of TV money) to improve the team / push on.

 

Fair enough if the club want to be a business and make a profit each year, but i'd rather they just admit that this is the ambition.

 

How much extra would it have cost to keep Koeman? I bet the amount we spent on recruiting Puel and MP and sacking Puel, it wouldn't have been much more than we've actually spent.

 

I agree those players would have improved us, but not sure any would fit our business model with the exception of Gueye. Obviously if you disagree with our business model, that's a different argument.

 

I agree that we took a backwards step in the summer Koeman left, a combination of poor recruitment (Mane, Pelle, Wanyama leaving were difficult gaps to fill), new manager style having too much emphasis on possession and defence, seemed to drain our players, and a sense of complacency in terms of the state of the squad (or gambling on too many players "coming good"). Think we have done better this year though, at least in terms of intent. We shall see whether the business we've done has been good, but it's certainly the right kind of business I want to see us doing.

 

Koeman came down to value for money. Is he a good manager? Yes. Is he one of the best in the world that merits a salary to match? I'd say no. And he also wasn't interested in bringing younger players through. He wanted short term results to boost his own stock. Not necessarily a good thing for us. If we may not have got the right men since, it means the Koeman fall out looks the wrong decision in context, but as a standalone decision I'm not sure it was wrong.

[Shance]

At the end of the day, Everton have spent a ****ing fortune. You can moan and want us to copy their model all you like, but their model is having a sugar daddy and throwing a **** tone of cash around.

 

That's not happening at Saints and it won't for the foreseeable future as I don't think the new owners are like that either.

 

Build a bridge at the end of the day and get over it

[Window Cleaner]

At the end of the day, Everton have spent a ****ing fortune. You can moan and want us to copy their model all you like, but their model is having a sugar daddy and throwing a **** tone of cash around.

 

That's not happening at Saints and it won't for the foreseeable future as I don't think the new owners are like that either.

 

Build a bridge at the end of the day and get over it

 

Net spend of about 65 million for last season and this summer. Corresponds to about the 60 million that Moshiri is allowed to put into the club over 2 seasons. Plus their new shirt sponsor pays about twice what Chang did. With the European campaign this season they'll probably not be too badly off accounts wise. 40,000 home gates to boot. Think they'll survive.

[ally_uk]

We obviously are crying out for creativity but without splashing some decent money who could we realistically get in?

 

One player who has been mentioned before is Ziyech he would never come to Saints though but god damm what a signing that would be.

[angelman]

Ziyech - who he? Never heard of him.

[shurlock]

Ziyech - who he? Never heard of him.

 

Nor have most people - doesn't stop him from becoming some kind of footballing golden unicorn.

 

FWIW I don't think he's the answer, especially in a league as physical as the PL and isn't sufficiently different from the likes of Boufal. Arguably we need a bit of pace and directness, someone to challenge Redmond and shake him out of his complacency.

Edited 25 August, 2017 by shurlock

[SKD]

Nor have most people - doesn't stop him from becoming some kind of footballing golden unicorn.

 

FWIW I don't think he's the answer, especially in the PL and isn't sufficiently different from the likes of Boufal. Arguably we need a bit of pace and directness, someone to challenge Redmond and shake him out of his complacency.

 

We need someone to replace Davis.

 

A box to box AM who has a bit of creativity. Someone in the mould of Barkley/Wilshere.

 

JWP not quick enough to play there and slows us down to much.

[Convict Colony]

He has scored 52 goals & 52 assists in 146 games in the eredevise and whilst the league is suspect his whoscored ratings are superb, he may not be the messiah but he offers more goal threat than davis or jwp in the AM position.

 

F*uck it, he is the messiah

 

Edited 25 August, 2017 by Convict Colony

[doddisalegend]

He has scored 52 goals & 52 assists in 146 games in the eredevise and whilst the league is suspect his whoscored ratings are superb, he may not be the messiah but he offers more goal threat than davis or jwp in the AM position.

 

F*uck it, he is the messiah

 

that's not a very high bar TBF....

[Convict Colony]

I'm concerned @supersaint might have something better to do on a friday since he is missing ziyech hour.

 

I think it is fair to say we have been missing a goal scoring AM for over 3 summer windows now, this fact seems obvious so why do the club ignore it ?

 

Do they have some sort of stat that is more important than goals/assists in a season to keep davo/jwp safe.

 

The day we sign a AM is the day i will

 

[SuperSAINT]

I'm concerned @supersaint might have something better to do on a friday since he is missing ziyech hour.

 

I think it is fair to say we have been missing a goal scoring AM for over 3 summer windows now, this fact seems obvious so why do the club ignore it ?

 

Do they have some sort of stat that is more important than goals/assists in a season to keep davo/jwp safe.

 

The day we sign a AM is the day i will

 

 

No Ziyech No party, brother

[shurlock]

I'm concerned @supersaint might have something better to do on a friday since he is missing ziyech hour.

 

I think it is fair to say we have been missing a goal scoring AM for over 3 summer windows now, this fact seems obvious so why do the club ignore it ?

 

Do they have some sort of stat that is more important than goals/assists in a season to keep davo/jwp safe.

 

The day we sign a AM is the day i will

 

 

The reason that JWP and Davis get picked is because they contribute defensively. Not seen much evidence of that from Ziyech. You've obviously seen more of him than me but how does he differ from Boufal who can also play AM? Frankly they seem similar players -with many of the same qualities and frustrations. While Ziyech may (or may not) be better in your eyes (I think he'd struggle physically)- I'd prefer to try and make things with Boufal.

[LaptopSaint]

Koeman came down to value for money. Is he a good manager? Yes. Is he one of the best in the world that merits a salary to match? I'd say no. And he also wasn't interested in bringing younger players through. He wanted short term results to boost his own stock. Not necessarily a good thing for us. If we may not have got the right men since, it means the Koeman fall out looks the wrong decision in context, but as a standalone decision I'm not sure it was wrong.

 

Koeman? Pah. IMO Pochettino was the best manager we've had in the past decade - by a country mile. Now if we could have kept him...

[Convict Colony]

The reason that JWP and Davis get picked is because they contribute defensively. Not seen much evidence of that from Ziyech. You've obviously seen more of him than me but how does he differ from Boufal who can also play AM? Frankly they seem similar players -with many of the same qualities and frustrations. While Ziyech may (or may not) be better in your eyes (I think he'd struggle physically)- I'd prefer to try and make things with Boufal.

 

with you on boufal i just want someone in AM with bad intentions.

 

As for defensively i agree but we have plenty of defensive midfielders just 0 goal scoring ones.