Pass the Dutchie Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 Stephens is way over rated by some on here. He's a promising player who may become really good given game time. The question is when and where. I don't think playing in the first team should be a training exercise. Play him when we can, but if we can get someone better, please do. This goes for every position, of course. Always play the best you can get, until you feel confident we're getting the result we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 christ is Ziyech the only player people know? Although he may have an issue crosses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 Stephens is way over rated by some on here. He's massively improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 If Stuart Armstrong is a goer I'm guessing we might see some movement sharpish with Celtic virtually through their qualifier. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think he's agreed to stay with Celtic at least I'm sure it was posted on here earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 Isn't he just. The club historian called him Beckenbaueresque. That's way way OTT. Agboolaesque. With huge potential to improve. Will be out captain for sure and England player within a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 Funny remember watching a game with chambers in, think it may have been early arsenal when he played cb and mate and I said to each other future england captain and star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 just a hypothetical question? but would anyone, entertained the idea of letting vvd go, to allow the purchase of gylfi sigurdsson,?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 August, 2017 Share Posted 16 August, 2017 I like 3 at the back, because you can get 2 up top with no loss of midfield control. We could play a 3-4-1-2, provided the 10 was capable of getting back in and making it a 3-5-2 when they have the ball. That way we could play both Austin & Gabbi However, with the players we have, Id imagine if we play 3 at the back it'll be a 3-4-3 with only one of Austin or Gabbi (unless one plays in a wide role), with Redmond & Tadic wide. Still think we're bluffing & signing another CB will mean bye bye VvD, or at a push Yoshida. Just don't see Stephens & Yoshida as 3rd & 4th and the Polish guy as 5. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 just a hypothetical question? but would anyone, entertained the idea of letting vvd go, to allow the purchase of gylfi sigurdsson,?? Hmm - not sure, I reckon it might be prohibitively expensive to buy him from Everton the day after he's signed for them at a cost of £45m... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Couple of updates from an Italian journalist this morning http://www.gianlucadimarzio.com/en Regarding Luciano Vietto, Sampdoria have supposedly agreed a fee with Athletico Madrid at €20m, however they are struggling to agree terms with the player. He's quoting a current salary of €2.4m and Sampdoria are only offering €1.6m plus bonuses. Other options for Sampdoria that they are considering are Inglese from Chievo Verona and Luan from Gremio. The translation isn't great but I read into it that Luan has declined a move to Spartak Moscow and Sampdoria have made an initial bid for him somewhere in the region of €16m to €18m. The other update is regarding Yann Karamoh (remember him from the start of the transfer window). The young French winger, currently at Caen, was supposed to be joining Inter Milan. However Caen are holding out for a transfer fee of €10m, which Inter have not yet met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadam Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 (edited) Talked to an old friend from Italy yesterday who happens to be a Lazio supporter. I asked about Hoedt, and he was in general positive. Fantastic left foot, great physic, and pretty fast for a tall guy. His positional play, understanding of the game and some times lack of concentration is his biggest weaknesses (which is pretty serious for a defender). 17 million euro for a player who's they got for free, not a regular starter is "fantastic money" and he's sure that Lazio wants the deal to go through. So all in all, good player but some good coaching needed. He asked me in return who this Van dijk guy is, he can't be any better than de vrij Edited 17 August, 2017 by saintadam spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnoquick Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Hoedt is as good as done. Expect 1 or 2 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Hoedt is as good as done. Expect 1 or 2 more. 1st post. But thanks for the info..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/898335495?-11205:798:0 Seems to be some traction behind this rumour.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goso Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 "Wesley Hoedt has reportedly said goodbye to his Lazio teammates, as he prepares to join Southampton. It was reported yesterday that the Saints had made a €17m bid for the Dutch centre-back, with the Biancocelesti having agreed with the player’s agent that they’d sell him for that price. This morning, Tuttomercatoweb reports, Hoedt said goodbye to his teammates at Formello, and he’ll fly to England imminently." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Awesome Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Great news if true! Can't say I know a lot about Hoedt, but from what has been reported, sounds like a good fit for Saints - Promising young player with some top level experience at a big club, who can be improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Wesley Hoedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Calling Ulrich to this thread Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Being able to play 3 at the back when required would really get the best out of Cedric and Ryan. I guess something like this would be pretty interesting. Forster Cedric Hoedt VVD Yoshida Bertrand Romeu Lemina Boufal Tadic Gabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Hoedt is as good as done. Expect 1 or 2 more. Thanks Nelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 So, a few questions... * If Hoedt signs will that be our last signing or will there be others? Some people have mentioned Vietto but from what others are saying that seems unlikely. * If Hoedt signs and assuming VvD stays, who from our current squad will miss out on a place in the 25? Will Gardos be the one to miss out? Or will this lead to the sale of Gazzaniga? * If we do sign another attacking player who else will miss out? Might that signal that we are going to sell Shane Long as some have suggested? Or again might this signal that both Gazzaniga and Gardos will be superfluous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 So, a few questions... * If Hoedt signs will that be our last signing or will there be others? Some people have mentioned Vietto but from what others are saying that seems unlikely. * If Hoedt signs and assuming VvD stays, who from our current squad will miss out on a place in the 25? Will Gardos be the one to miss out? Or will this lead to the sale of Gazzaniga? * If we do sign another attacking player who else will miss out? Might that signal that we are going to sell Shane Long as some have suggested? Or again might this signal that both Gazzaniga and Gardos will be superfluous? Redslo answers many of your questions in his excellent blog post http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/how-are-things-going-southampton-2017.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 So, a few questions... * If Hoedt signs will that be our last signing or will there be others? Some people have mentioned Vietto but from what others are saying that seems unlikely. * If Hoedt signs and assuming VvD stays, who from our current squad will miss out on a place in the 25? Will Gardos be the one to miss out? Or will this lead to the sale of Gazzaniga? * If we do sign another attacking player who else will miss out? Might that signal that we are going to sell Shane Long as some have suggested? Or again might this signal that both Gazzaniga and Gardos will be superfluous? One more, attacking player I reckon. Gardos looks most likely to miss out. Long most likely to go. Gazza too but apparently we were after a loan keeper as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 So, a few questions... * If Hoedt signs will that be our last signing or will there be others? Some people have mentioned Vietto but from what others are saying that seems unlikely. * If Hoedt signs and assuming VvD stays, who from our current squad will miss out on a place in the 25? Will Gardos be the one to miss out? Or will this lead to the sale of Gazzaniga? * If we do sign another attacking player who else will miss out? Might that signal that we are going to sell Shane Long as some have suggested? Or again might this signal that both Gazzaniga and Gardos will be superfluous? My prediction is that we will get Hoedt and another forward who can play wide or as a striker when needed. Then Gazzaniga, Gardos (loan), Clasie and Long will all leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 One more, attacking player I reckon. Gardos looks most likely to miss out. Long most likely to go. Gazza too but apparently we were after a loan keeper as well. We signed Jack Rose the other day so that leaves us with Forster, McCarthy, Taylor and him if Gazzaniga goes. Definitely won't be signing another keeper now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 We signed Jack Rose the other day so that leaves us with Forster, McCarthy, Taylor and him if Gazzaniga goes. Definitely won't be signing another keeper now. Great shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Great shame.Not really. We have two England keepers. Would never sign another potential first choice. My guess is McCarthy will get his chance soon. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Hoedt a replacement for Yoshida? 1 year left on contract so the club will be looking for him to pen a new deal or move on. I'd guess Yoshida is waiting to see whether he'll be 1st choice or bench this year before deciding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Maybe Hoedt announced before West Ham game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 I reckon this Hoedt fella plus 1 more attacking player I reckon Gardos may well be shipped out (if VvD stays) with Long probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Hoedt a replacement for Yoshida? 1 year left on contract so the club will be looking for him to pen a new deal or move on. I'd guess Yoshida is waiting to see whether he'll be 1st choice or bench this year before deciding. I've wondered about this. Maybe Yoshida has indicated a desire to move on - perhaps closer to "home". It would make his contract situation and the long-term view on Bednarek more understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 (edited) Hoedt a replacement for Yoshida? 1 year left on contract so the club will be looking for him to pen a new deal or move on. I'd guess Yoshida is waiting to see whether he'll be 1st choice or bench this year before deciding. Assuming he has been offered a new contract, which he absolutely should've happened by now (given that he can be poached in 6 months by a foreign team), I suspect that is probably the case. He's always seemed pretty comfortable being 3rd choice though, but I guess most players grow tired of it eventually (Stuart Taylor aside!). Edit: You only have to look at Jonny Evans rejected £18m bid to realise it's a must (not that I'm saying Maya is better/par with Jonny Evans, but they're both probably starting CBs for lower(ish) Prem clubs) Edited 17 August, 2017 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Yoshida was with his Agent at St Mary's on Saturday. Can confirm. Saw Maya around 3pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Southampton are in advanced talks to sign Lazio defender Wesley Hoedt, according to Sky sources. Sky in Italy have reported that the club have made a £15.5million offer for the centre-back but the deal is not yet agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Yoshida was with his Agent at St Mary's on Saturday. He was at the Winchester sports stadium Tuesday afternoon with a selection of oriental gentlemen and a camera... using red top logic I guess he is about to announce his dream move to Winchester city FC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Redslo answers many of your questions in his excellent blog post http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/how-are-things-going-southampton-2017.html One which I thoroughly recommend as I know it answered a lot of questions for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Hoedt transfer seems all but done https://talksport.com/football/transfer-news-southampton-close-ps1325million-deal-lazio-defender-wesley-hoedt-170817250823 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Hoedt transfer seems all but done https://talksport.com/football/transfer-news-southampton-close-ps1325million-deal-lazio-defender-wesley-hoedt-170817250823 I really like the way we do our business - quietly and going for young players that are not the finished article but could be gems with good coaching (and very high resale value). They don't all work out but compared to the stupid money being thrown around the players we pick up are bargain prices (comparatively speaking). When you look at some of the crazy money being thrown around our model is so much better......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 17 August, 2017 Share Posted 17 August, 2017 Yoshida was with his Agent at St Mary's on Saturday. Can confirm. Saw Maya around 3pm. Jack Stephens is his agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimborne_saint Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 Armstrong has signed a new 2 year deal at Celtic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 Armstrong has signed a new 2 year deal at Celtic Only 2 years? I'm assuming that takes him to 3 overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 Armstrong has signed a new 2 year deal at Celtic So they'll probably sell him next summer then. Assuming it is not a two year extension on his current contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fans-excited-by-rumours-that-bundesliga-defender-is-heading-to-england-138417 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 Good ol' arry at it again. Has he never heard of coaching players? "I need to change a lot of them because they are not good enough for Birmingham City. This is a fantastic football club and if it's the last thing I do in football I will give their fans a good team." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 Good ol' arry at it again. Has he never heard of coaching players? "I need to change a lot of them because they are not good enough for Birmingham City. This is a fantastic football club and if it's the last thing I do in football I will give their fans a good team." Doesnt he ever get tired of re-cycling the same old lines ? Absolute cock just like his bloody son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 Good ol' arry at it again. Has he never heard of coaching players? "I need to change a lot of them because they are not good enough for Birmingham City. This is a fantastic football club and if it's the last thing I do in football I will give their fans a good team." Wonder if his knee will start playing up when the weather gets a little colder, say, November/December and he'll need to go and get that operation re-booked. After all, last time (at QPR) he couldn't walk and taking training was nigh on impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 No tears shed here if it's the last thing he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 18 August, 2017 Share Posted 18 August, 2017 Yeah the squad is so bad that's why Zola struggled, but I kinda remember with Rowett they were on verge of play offs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 August, 2017 Share Posted 19 August, 2017 Good ol' arry at it again. Has he never heard of coaching players? "I need to change a lot of them because they are not good enough for Birmingham City. This is a fantastic football club and if it's the last thing I do in football I will give their fans a good team."'No manager in the world can make players here better.' Lol Look no further than Warnock at Cardiff. Why do the reporters not pick him up on his nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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