SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Ben Gibson to replace VVD? Now Harry Maguire has already been snapped up that's who I'd go for. I quite like Gibson, good player & left footed too, but I'm not sure he would truly be a "VvD replacement". Virgil has numerous qualities, but the key thing that any replacement would need to replace is his aerial dominance. We got battered by physical strikers without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Anyway replacing VVD (I'm of the belief we keep him personally) will need to be physically dominant to partner Stephens/Yoshida/Bednarek. Ake/Gibson, I'm not entirely sure are that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Anyway replacing VVD (I'm of the belief we keep him personally) will need to be physically dominant to partner Stephens/Yoshida/Bednarek. Ake/Gibson, I'm not entirely sure are that. Agree (as above). Ake/Gibson would be perfect players to partner VvD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Agree (as above). Ake/Gibson would be perfect players to partner VvD. Yeah, **** Stephens. Played really well stepping into VvD's shoes, certainly better than Gibson or Ake did (Jan-May)but **** him, get youngsters in from other clubs and ditch our own. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Yeah, **** Stephens. Played really well stepping into VvD's shoes, certainly better than Gibson or Ake did (Jan-May)but **** him, get youngsters in from other clubs and ditch our own. Take slow, deep breaths & relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Agree (as above). Ake/Gibson would be perfect players to partner VvD. Assuming VVD stays, if we sign the Polish lad we won't be signing another CB. It'll be Virgil plus Stephens or Maya as our starting CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Assuming VVD stays, if we sign the Polish lad we won't be signing another CB. It'll be Virgil plus Stephens or Maya as our starting CBs. Assuming VVD stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Assuming VVD stays, if we sign the Polish lad we won't be signing another CB. It'll be Virgil plus Stephens or Maya as our starting CBs. And so it should be. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Assuming VVD stays, if we sign the Polish lad we won't be signing another CB. It'll be Virgil plus Stephens or Maya as our starting CBs. Vvd mentoring Stephens would be a very good thing for Saints. Would like to see that happen next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 West Brom are closing in on Southampton striker Jay Rodriguez, according to the Express and Star. The 27-year-old striker has been blighted by injury problems in recent years, but could move for up to £12m. --------- Would then explain why we are pushing ahead with the deal for the Sassauo lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 West Brom are closing in on Southampton striker Jay Rodriguez, according to the Express and Star. The 27-year-old striker has been blighted by injury problems in recent years, but could move for up to £12m. --------- Would then explain why we are pushing ahead with the deal for the Sassauo lad. I thought Sam G would take his place. Might there be another striker exit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Yeah, **** Stephens. Played really well stepping into VvD's shoes, certainly better than Gibson or Ake did (Jan-May)but **** him, get youngsters in from other clubs and ditch our own. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We conceded loads of goals with Yoshida and Stephens as a pairing. We can and should start next season with better than both, VVD or no VVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Stephens hasn't got any better since then?????? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Gibson hasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Assuming VVD stays, if we sign the Polish lad we won't be signing another CB. It'll be Virgil plus Stephens or Maya as our starting CBs. I fear you're right but I find that lack of depth disappointing. I hate to sound like Glasgow but if Everton are signing Keane, Pickford and Klaassen whilst we're replacing our captain with some Polish kid who's never played in England, I can't see us catching them any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 We conceded loads of goals with Yoshida and Stephens as a pairing. We can and should start next season with better than both, VVD or no VVD. In 19 games after vvd got injuryed we kept seven clean sheets with that CB pairing. We conceded 30 goals, 5 of those in the game we handed to arsenal in the fa cup, 10 to utd, Chelsea and city combined. So in 15 games we kept 7 clean sheets and conceded 15 goals.... think that's pretty decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Hopefully MoPe can use his contacts to get some Spanish youngsters. Some serious talent in their U21 team. Must be others in La Ligue we can get too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Hopefully MoPe can use his contacts to get some Spanish youngsters. Some serious talent in their U21 team. Must be others in La Ligue we can get too Ceballos from Betis along side Romeu for example... €15m release fee apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 In 19 games after vvd got injuryed we kept seven clean sheets with that CB pairing. We conceded 30 goals, 5 of those in the game we handed to arsenal in the fa cup, 10 to utd, Chelsea and city combined. So in 15 games we kept 7 clean sheets and conceded 15 goals.... think that's pretty decent My memory of it was that we kept clean sheets by being defensive and leaked like a sieve whenever we played someone half decent. Jack looks like being a decent player but he is a long way from being the finished article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Spurs after Soares. Mirror Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 Gibson hasn't? He's not any better than Stephens. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit73 Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 My memory of it was that we kept clean sheets by being defensive and leaked like a sieve whenever we played someone half decent. Jack looks like being a decent player but he is a long way from being the finished article. That was pretty much my impression as well. He might develop into average EPL CB, but I can't see much more upside in his career development. He would be a good back up CB for Saints, but we shouldn't rely on him as a first pick on the regular basis. Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 My memory of it was that we kept clean sheets by being defensive and leaked like a sieve whenever we played someone half decent. Jack looks like being a decent player but he is a long way from being the finished article. Basically this. Puel was forced to play negative football with a defensive core of Yoshida/Stephens/Forster. Anything expansive and we were vulnerable at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Spurs after Soares. Mirror Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Being linked with Barcelona and Juve, so he'll definitely choose spurs from the 3... Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Being linked with Barcelona and Juve, so he'll definitely choose spurs from the 3... Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Yes, one would hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 (edited) Ceballos from Betis along side Romeu for example... €15m release fee apparently He was incredible last night will be targeted by one of the top sides. https://twitter.com/xoasensio/status/879798761303797761 Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Edited 28 June, 2017 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 With VVD, J-Rod and maybe Bertrand and Cedric all leaving, there could be a bumper kitty available for Les and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 With VVD, J-Rod and maybe Bertrand and Cedric all leaving, there could be a bumper kitty available for Les and co. Yes indeed you are right. I know it's all press speculation but the links of a Poland young kid, Italian striker for 15m, Chambers and Gibson who we will never pay 25m for does not excite me. For the next level I would hope for Klaassen who went to Everton, Oliver Giroud or that Manchester City striker who never gets a chance up there. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 With VVD, J-Rod and maybe Bertrand and Cedric all leaving, there could be a bumper kitty available for Les and co. May also add that 125m from those players alone could well be invested in the club again but it makes you think where is the extra 100m that many premiership clubs are spending right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Spurs after Soares. Mirror Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk So are Barcelona and Juventus according to the Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Hopefully we're keeping close tabs on Metz winger Ismaila Sarr. 19 years old and still a little raw but making a big impact in Ligue 1, and similar in style to a certain Sadio Mane dare I say. They want €15m for him apparently. Obligatory YouTube vid... [video=youtube;-BOIoEMS8ng] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Let's not kid ourselves. There is no way we will reinvest anywhere near what we receive in player sales this summer. Club seem to get off on buying cheap then selling for 5-10 fold more couple of years down the line. Maybe good business practice but very deflating for the fans. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Let's not kid ourselves. There is no way we will reinvest anywhere near what we receive in player sales this summer. Club seem to get off on buying cheap then selling for 5-10 fold more couple of years down the line. Maybe good business practice but very deflating for the fans. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Not sure anyone is kidding themselves? I think there's an element of satisfaction when you can get a player for 10m and they become a star. Signing players for huge sums doesn't always work. It may look exciting to the fans, for some reason, but for a club of our size - looking at gems in the 10-15m bracket is the absolute spot on strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Let's not kid ourselves. There is no way we will reinvest anywhere near what we receive in player sales this summer. Club seem to get off on buying cheap then selling for 5-10 fold more couple of years down the line. Maybe good business practice but very deflating for the fans. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Well as we aren't selling anyone worth a lot of money ( according to Sky anyway) anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 I know that a lot of the rumours out there are complete rubbish, but if there's any truth to Andre Gray wanting/expecting a new £100,000pw contract at Burnley, it might be time to officially close down football as a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 After watching u21s last night must say Maxi Arnold the German captain looked superb and exactly what we need linking midfield and attack and perfect foil with Romeu, also the German right back looked superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 After watching u21s last night must say Maxi Arnold the German captain looked superb and exactly what we need linking midfield and attack and perfect foil with Romeu, also the German right back looked superb I'd say Arnold is already above our station, he's got the likes of Arsenal/Barca watching him. Quality player. Will leave Wolfsburg for a big club sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 I know that a lot of the rumours out there are complete rubbish, but if there's any truth to Andre Gray wanting/expecting a new £100,000pw contract at Burnley, it might be time to officially close down football as a thing. Rather than close it down, time to adopt some practices around the world that other leagues employ. USA - wage cap. No idea about the draft system, as I don't understand it but there is a desire for a level playing field which gives the competition more integrity. But wage caps that, say, all in the PL can afford would be something that would be most welcome, even if it means we would be more likely to be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Rather than close it down, time to adopt some practices around the world that other leagues employ. USA - wage cap. No idea about the draft system, as I don't understand it but there is a desire for a level playing field which gives the competition more integrity. But wage caps that, say, all in the PL can afford would be something that would be most welcome, even if it means we would be more likely to be relegated. Oh I love the principle of a team salary cap. But I'm not sure there's any chance of it unless it was a UEFA (or FIFA) wide thing, as each nation would want to remain competitive. Then there's also the legal challenge, I'm not quite sure of the specifics, but I think the NFL players claimed that it is an artificial restriction of their ability to get paid what market forces allow. And that's the NFL, a standalone entity, I imagine it would be more complicated in Europe. The draft is a brilliant concept, but it works because of the college system in the US, rather than teams developing their own youth players, and because the NFL (and I imagine the other sports, I only really know about NFL) has a constant set of teams. There's no 'pyramid', there's no relegation. I don't even think the playing field needs to be 'level', it just has to be a bit more even. Plus with less money going on players wages there might be just a little bit more to go to other areas of the game that need it. All a bit wishful thinking though, the Premier League have the power and they see the biggest clubs dominating as the best way to boost the global appeal of their 'brand'. (also my post about closing football down was a joke really, just expressing my disdain at the point we've reached...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Rather than close it down, time to adopt some practices around the world that other leagues employ. USA - wage cap. No idea about the draft system, as I don't understand it but there is a desire for a level playing field which gives the competition more integrity. But wage caps that, say, all in the PL can afford would be something that would be most welcome, even if it means we would be more likely to be relegated. I thought that the PL has instituted a wage cap of sorts for the upcoming season. No team is allowed to increase it's wage bill more than x% over the year before. The league was concerned that all the new TV money would end up in the players' pockets. It's given Arsenal difficulties as they look to increase Ozil and Sanchez's salaries. It might have an impact similar to FFP, keeping the smaller clubs down by locking them into a comparatively low wage structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 I know that a lot of the rumours out there are complete rubbish, but if there's any truth to Andre Gray wanting/expecting a new £100,000pw contract at Burnley, it might be time to officially close down football as a thing. The trouble is, desperate teams such as Liverpool would offer him that, just to sit on the bench (i.e Ings who I've been told is on c.£80/£90k a week). It's teams such as Liverpool, City and Chelsea who are causing player demands to increase and making average players unaffordable for clubs like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 I think that I read that Arsenal can only increase their wage bill by £7m over this year. As Ozil and Sanchez are looking for increases of about £8m each (!!!!) that is where their problems come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 I thought that the PL has instituted a wage cap of sorts for the upcoming season. No team is allowed to increase it's wage bill more than x% over the year before. The league was concerned that all the new TV money would end up in the players' pockets. It's given Arsenal difficulties as they look to increase Ozil and Sanchez's salaries. It might have an impact similar to FFP, keeping the smaller clubs down by locking them into a comparatively low wage structure. As you say, like FFP, that's just another problem. Nothing is done about the teams already spending ridiculous amounts. If Arsenal can afford it, I don't see why they should be victims of a rule just because of the timing of its introduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry12 Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 adriansfc Think Davis should be competing with JWP really. I prefer them to be competing for a place on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnet Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 The trouble is, desperate teams such as Liverpool would offer him that, just to sit on the bench (i.e Ings who I've been told is on c.£80/£90k a week). It's teams such as Liverpool, City and Chelsea who are causing player demands to increase and making average players unaffordable for clubs like us. Also signing loads of players and then sending them out on loan. Which can also have an effect on who we sign. I believe Arsenal had something like 24 players out on loan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Rather than us allegedly offering 20m for a sassulo striker, why not try for josh king from Bournemouth, had an impressive season and would give us a different option up front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Rather than us allegedly offering 20m for a sassulo striker, why not try for josh king from Bournemouth, had an impressive season and would give us a different option up front He would cost £35m+. Which is why we're going for the Sassulo striker. Much more value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Rather than us allegedly offering 20m for a sassulo striker, why not try for josh king from Bournemouth, had an impressive season and would give us a different option up front You can forget anyone decent in the Prem, with the money going around they are going to have absurd asking prices on their heads. The only possible exceptions are unwanted kids at big clubs. The likes of Ake, Christensen or Januzaj might be on the menu, although still wont be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Why are we still so obsessed with penny pinching? We have sold players for 230m last 3 summers and received 150m from the premiership for last season alone. If we are serious about our ambitions we need to start spending some money. Buy cheap buy twice!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Why are we still so obsessed with penny pinching? We have sold players for 230m last 3 summers and received 150m from the premiership for last season alone. If we are serious about our ambitions we need to start spending some money. Buy cheap buy twice!!! Ah the Pompey approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboy Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Ah the Pompey approach. Because spending big money always works doesn't it , Fernando Torres to Chelsea worked out well didn't it ! I much prefer I nurture talent approach thanks very much ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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