SuperSAINT Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Juanmi, Mane, Pelle, Tadic, Wanyama. Thanks K,Billy. Not surprising, but still disappointing. I just really hope the board / coaching team were prepared for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 It'll be a shame to have to replace 3-4 starters, of course. I was hoping we could get away with 2 this year - Wanyama and Pelle (that is unless we received a silly/mental offer for Mane). Who knows, maybe/hopefully we'll dig our heels in a tad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Anyone who doesn't think Tadic would be a huge loss is absolutely mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 It'll be a shame to have to replace 3-4 starters, of course. I was hoping we could get away with 2 this year - Wanyama and Pelle - that is unless we received a silly/mental offer for Mane. Wonder if Jose will want Mane @ Utd this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Of the 5 names mentioned- 4 of them were almost expected anyways. Tadic is the surprise one but if he thinks he can go somewhere better than screw him, he was in and out of our first team this season anyways, as was Pelle. Pelle £7m, Wanyama £14m, Mane £33m, Tadic £14m and Juanmi £3m. That itself is £70m. Tadic could go for more, I'd just like to see which of the big clubs around the world want him If we can spend say, around £90m this summer then that should be more than enough to replace them. Yes, Koeman would like a settled squad, but I don't blame our board if the players don't sign. I will be unhappy if the scouting goes wrong. Also, I can see why the board want Koeman to commit, I don't think they'd want to spend £90m on someone who will only be here for one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Those five are hardly a meltdown. Pelle is at an optimal time to sell, would be good business to ship him off to Italy. Tadic is going to go where, exactly? Juanmi, give a sh it. Mane, still not convinced someone is nuts enough to give us thirty old mil for him. Victor, fine. Not entirely sure where he's going though. The challege for this year's meltdowners will be the fact that we will probably end up selling players to Everton or West Ham because the players angling for a move are hardly Champions League shoo-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Those five are hardly a meltdown. If it's not, it must be VERY close to melting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 If it's not, it must be VERY close to melting point. Three of them have been expected for a long time - Austin is basically the Pelle replacement already in place - and one of them is bloody Juanmi. Tadic is the only surprise but cannot see where he would go that would be a genuine step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Those 5 and RK off would be crazy! Those 5 with the black box replacements and RK staying, I could cope with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Juanmi - no loss. Bye. Pelle expected and can go with club's blessing. Vic - no surprise at all. Would be great to convince him to stay but he's off. Tadic. He might want out but no sale..... unless club think they can get a better replacement and a nice pile off cash. Mane. No sale. If anyone has to be kept it's him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Those five are hardly a meltdown. Losing your best three offensive players and your best defensive minded player not named VvD is certainly a meltdown. Goal leaders last season: Mane (11), Pelle (11), Long (10), Tadic (7) Assist leaders last season: Tadic (12), Pelle (6), Mane (6), Long (4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Losing your best three offensive players and your best defensive minded player not named VvD is certainly a meltdown. Goal leaders last season: Mane (11), Pelle (11), Long (10), Tadic (7) Assist leaders last season: Tadic (12), Pelle (6), Mane (6), Long (4) Not when the management of the club would be expecting and planning for this eventuality. In other news, we finished sixth and are in the Europa League group stage. But fill your boots and meltdown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Isn't the Tadic story from a couple of months ago when we were still playing 5-3-2 and he wasn't getting in the side? Things have changed since then, I can see him staying personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 2 more Is this 5 want out or you expect all 5 to be allowed to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Any 2 from Praet, Ziyech and Silva to replace Tadic and Juanmi Sebastian Haller and/ or Vincent Janssen to replace Pelle Redmond and Townsend to replace Mane Wanyama will be the hardest to replace - Schneiderlin would be perfect, Cork even - but I expect t someone from Europe - Oscar Hiljdemark maybe - or Marco Benassi Simples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Any 2 from Praet, Ziyech and Silva to replace Tadic and Juanmi Sebastian Haller and/ or Vincent Janssen to replace Pelle Redmond and Townsend to replace Mane Wanyama will be the hardest to replace - Schneiderlin would be perfect, Cork even - but I expect t someone from Europe - Oscar Hiljdemark maybe - or Marco Benassi Simples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Any 2 from Praet, Ziyech and Silva to replace Tadic and Juanmi Sebastian Haller and/ or Vincent Janssen to replace Pelle Redmond and Townsend to replace Mane Wanyama will be the hardest to replace - Schneiderlin would be perfect, Cork even - but I expect t someone from Europe - Oscar Hiljdemark maybe - or Marco Benassi Simples! Neither are a patch on Mane. He's going to be the hardest to replace. Absolute steal he was. On his day he can roast the best of defenders. Good to have a player like that in the side. Townsend and Redmond aren't a patch on the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Players want out so let the rebuilding begin. Your gonna love this summers meltdown. I think i will just unplug the internet and enjoy hopefully some nice sunshine and the Euro's. What's this new direction we are taking? I assume it will shed some light on who we intend to replace these guys with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 on the Southampton Bible there was a post showing a league of spending for the last 2 seasons (money in and out) We were bottom of the league with a profit of 22m. Leicester were halfway up with a spend of 49m,Spurs were a place above us on -9m. Will we will bring in 60M ish and reinvest a lesser % of that. What a good investment we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 As for the 5 potentially leaving, that is hell of a lot of decent players to replace let alone the extra European games where we need a bigger squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 What's this new direction we are taking? I assume it will shed some light on who we intend to replace these guys with... I completely forgot about the new direction... Hope it doesn't include getting shot of Ronald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 At least we get Koeman for 1 more year... I can understand all the players apart from tadic. Sell em all give Ronald £100m to spend if he signs a 3 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 At least we get Koeman for 1 more year... Assuming we are happy with him not wanting to extend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingar Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Over the past few season i think we have lost more important players than these 5 and have always come back stronger. If it is just those 5 i am sure we can improve on Pelle, Juamni and Tadic. Mane and Wanyama will be more difficult but i don't think it is that far fetched that we could find players to at least match their levels. Keep it to five and i am very excited for this summer and next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 I've always had the opinion that the club invested in Austin with the view to replace Pelle. Is Juanmi a surprise? We'll get a cut price deal on that and he'll be off, in fact it's probably already done. A bit of a non-player. Wanyama is off, he'd have signed a contract by now if he wasn't. I've accepted that one. Not entirely sure why he wants out though or where he thinks he's going, he's not really a top 4 player. As a top 6 club, we're about his level. He'll move and find that out the hard way though. We all know Mane wanted off last year, he probably wants off again this year - but it would take a mental deal and I don't see any club paying it, so it's not going to be up to him really. As a club, we're in the strongest position we ever have been. Finances coming in from TV, sponsorship, kit deals. The ambition is clearly there given the contracts for VVD, Fraser etc and If we do lose players then we've never been in a better position to replace them. This is really not the pre-season for a meltdown. I'm excited about the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 I can only think club have given likes of VVD and Forster reassurances over clubs ambition. The players talk about the ambition being high but on same note they would know what players likely to leave so can only assume high quality replacements have been lined up. Wouldn't make sense for them to sign extensions otherwise really in my opinion. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 I think Tadic wouldn't be a case of "I'm good enough for a top 4 club" but more "I want to play every week" - I could see him making a sideways step to an Everton or West Ham type, but can't really blame him if it's on the grounds of wanting to play more often. It'd be a shame, because I think when he has a good game we seem to be unstoppable. As for the others, expected but still disappointing to hear it. I love our approach to replacing with cheaper but capable (and sometimes better) replacements, but I think after a couple of years of this it'd be a nice lift to everybody for us to make a bit of a statement... GET OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 I've always had the opinion that the club invested in Austin with the view to replace Pelle. Is Juanmi a surprise? We'll get a cut price deal on that and he'll be off, in fact it's probably already done. A bit of a non-player. Wanyama is off, he'd have signed a contract by now if he wasn't. I've accepted that one. Not entirely sure why he wants out though or where he thinks he's going, he's not really a top 4 player. As a top 6 club, we're about his level. He'll move and find that out the hard way though. We all know Mane wanted off last year, he probably wants off again this year - but it would take a mental deal and I don't see any club paying it, so it's not going to be up to him really. As a club, we're in the strongest position we ever have been. Finances coming in from TV, sponsorship, kit deals. The ambition is clearly there given the contracts for VVD, Fraser etc and If we do lose players then we've never been in a better position to replace them. This is really not the pre-season for a meltdown. I'm excited about the future. Austin has shown very little so far. Not saying he won't. But it suggests a bit of caution is warranted until he does show a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Austin has shown very little so far. Not saying he won't. But it suggests a bit of caution is warranted until he does show a bit more. Yeah, well he's not been fit a great deal. Hard to judge him on the pitch at the moment, but with a good pre-season behind him I think we'll see what he's all about. The bloke lives and breathes goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Yeah, well he's not been fit a great deal. Hard to judge him on the pitch at the moment, but with a good pre-season behind him I think we'll see what he's all about. The bloke lives and breathes goals. I know plenty will disagree with me, but I think Pellè offers plenty of link up and hold up play that Austin doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Yeah, well he's not been fit a great deal. Hard to judge him on the pitch at the moment, but with a good pre-season behind him I think we'll see what he's all about. The bloke lives and breathes goals. You can't separate his fitness from his evaluation as a player - it's the reason clubs have stayed clear of him (Never mind his play outside the box is quite different from Pelle's). Hopefully a good preason will make a difference; but until he shows more, talk about him being Pelle or anyone else's replacement seems a tad premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 May, 2016 Share Posted 21 May, 2016 Pelle in new contract talks with the club according to this http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/517252/Graziano-Pelle-talks-Southampton-new-contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 more money for us, apart from The Bargain price that Vic will have to go for due to his contract... but if they want to potentially follow Schneiderlin's bench sitting / absent from international squad example, then good for them. Tbf Vic could play for Accrington Stanley and still Captain the Kenyan team - hell, if I was Kenyan I'd probably have a shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 You can't separate his fitness from his evaluation as a player - it's the reason clubs have stayed clear of him (Never mind his play outside the box is quite different from Pelle's). Hopefully a good preason will make a difference; but until he shows more, talk about him being Pelle or anyone else's replacement seems a tad premature. Totally agree with this, so far Austin looks a terrible piece of business he might eat sleep and live goals but he needs two working knees to be any use, jury is still very much out for me. Similarly with Jrod he looks gone from what I've seen so far so realistically getting pelle to sign a minimum 1 year extension should be top priority or we could be starting next season with only one forward! I'll be gutted if Tadic leaves unless it is for silly season money when he plays we are a better team he has been a revelation and I'm surprised it has taken this long for the wolves to circle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 Any 2 from Praet, Ziyech and Silva to replace Tadic and Juanmi Sebastian Haller and/ or Vincent Janssen to replace Pelle Redmond and Townsend to replace Mane Wanyama will be the hardest to replace - Schneiderlin would be perfect, Cork even - but I expect t someone from Europe - Oscar Hiljdemark maybe - or Marco Benassi Simples! Some of these names are constantly linked, Ziyech for example, and other were mooted last summer, Praet and Hiljdemark. Janssen from the little I've seen and read looks more of a goalscorer - in the Austin mould - than a replacement for Pelle who has become more of a target man. Of the names mentioned Dost appears the closest to a direct Pelle replacement. I'd give Redmond (two relegations is that now in three years?) a miss, and never convinced by Townsend. Neiether up to Manes standard. Wanyama ? MS won't come back. So no idea who that leaves, someone we';ve never heard of perhaps (although the link to the Denis Zakaria bloke looked as if his 'job description' matched up, although only 19 and unproven). Praet linked in a few places now, anyone any knowledge of him ? (Youtube clips aside). Personally, I'd like to bring in a couple of young up and coming players from the Championship, Hughes at Derby,Cook at Leeds. And bring AOC back. Almost pointless discussing it though as our recruitment phase will probably change direction again once Zlatan signs and we've raised our profile in the market. VW et al will be begiing to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 Personally I'd go back to Arsenal for AOC and Chambers, maybe in a swap for Mane if we have to sell him (i.e. he makes a proper fuss about going). But go for them anyway, £25 - 30 million the pair. I'd also see if Morgan is Mourinho's plans, we know he loved it here and he's probably not had the best time at Man Utd. If Mourinho comes in and buys a few new centre-mids he could be looking at a season on the bench all year. Like the Will Hughes shout above, he's always looked a very classy player to me at such a young age, though he's just had a year out pretty much. There is a big question mark around Austin getting fit and Jay Rod getting back to his old form. So far neither of those have looked that likely, but a full pre-season injury free may change that. I'd also take Townsend, because £8 million is a decent amount and aside Spurs, he's looked good for both QPR and Newcastle. He' not Mane quality but if he was to go then someone with that pace and directness would be a valuable squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 we will probably have another negative net spend (3 summers on the bounce) If that is the case, I would whack 6k seats on SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 Simone Zaza http://www.insidefutbol.com/2016/05/22/west-ham-and-southampton-keen-as-frustrated-simone-zaza-set-for-juventus-future-talks/286910/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 Simone Zaza http://www.insidefutbol.com/2016/05/22/west-ham-and-southampton-keen-as-frustrated-simone-zaza-set-for-juventus-future-talks/286910/ He might have been mentioned a little while ago too. Name rings a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 He might have been mentioned a little while ago too. Name rings a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 May, 2016 Share Posted 22 May, 2016 Anything in the Dennis Praet rumours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 23 May, 2016 Anything in the Dennis Praet rumours? Sounds like Erwin Koeman watched him the other day and we are keen but Fiorentina in pole position at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 May, 2016 Share Posted 23 May, 2016 Another link to Dennis Praet. But also Lyon Winger Rachid Ghezzal & Lorient defensive midfielder Didier Ndong https://www.clubcall.com/southampton/saints-eye-ligue-1-duo-as-belgian-target-talks-1811077.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 May, 2016 Share Posted 24 May, 2016 Sounds like we are looking into a couple of different options with Fulham in regards to re-signing Stek. http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-deal-southampton-maarten-stekelenburg-11378039? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 24 May, 2016 Share Posted 24 May, 2016 Sounds like we are looking into a couple of different options with Fulham, re: re-signing Stek. http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-deal-southampton-maarten-stekelenburg-11378039? Fulham fans will be very happy he's not coming back to them. I'll be disappointed if we're stuck with him for another year. His long-term shoulder injuries mean he's nowhere near the player he once was. His kicking and positioning are still good but he can't make diving saves. He survives on his past reputation. I can't recall him making one good diving save for us, which is pretty poor for a Premier League goalkeeper. His spell in goal probably cost us a top 4 place last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 May, 2016 Share Posted 24 May, 2016 Fulham fans will be very happy he's not coming back to them. I'll be disappointed if we're stuck with him for another year. His long-term shoulder injuries mean he's nowhere near the player he once was. His kicking and positioning are still good but he can't make diving saves. He survives on his past reputation. I can't recall him making one good diving save for us, which is pretty poor for a Premier League goalkeeper. His spell in goal probably cost us a top 4 place last season. What goals can you list where he was at fault? Its not going to be a big list. He did little wrong and I'd be happy with him as backup to Forster again next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 May, 2016 Share Posted 24 May, 2016 You're not going to get much better backup than Stek in the transfer window, let's be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 May, 2016 Share Posted 24 May, 2016 You're not going to get much better backup than Stek in the transfer window, let's be honest. Totally agree. Would be good to get this one done & dusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 24 May, 2016 Share Posted 24 May, 2016 He's best back up we have had for as long as I can remember. Far from his best but would still be happy to sign him for another year. Miles better than SKD and Gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 May, 2016 Share Posted 24 May, 2016 He's best back up we have had for as long as I can remember. Far from his best but would still be happy to sign him for another year. Miles better than SKD and Gazza I don't think its unreasonable to think he is the best backup keeper the club has ever had. The current squad is also the best we've ever had, a huge number of current or recent internationals and more depth than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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