Post-Match Reaction: SAINTS 1-1 Sunderland

[angelman]

One thing I think today showed is how much of an integral and important part of the team Shlong is.

[Jonnyboy]

Im happy seeing as I forecast 0-1 Defoe to score.

 

We are disjointed. Need a goal scoring midfielder/leader.

[Mr Biscuits]

I'm with CB cry on this one. We shouldn't be expected to win against a bottom 4 side at home. Only a few years ago we were in league one. We have no divine right to beat these teams even after spending around £100m on players over the past few seasons. We could learn a lot by watching Sunderland. We could even get into Europe one day if we try to be like them...

 

 

What? Play dire football and spend each season in a relegation fight, bumping along the bottom of the PL?

Yes we bloody should be expecting to beat teams in the bottom 4 because guess what.... That's what the top sides in the

PL do consistently and if this club wants European football performances like today and the one against Bournemouth are utterly unacceptable.

 

I don't care where we were a few seasons ago, it's irrelevant. History is for the skates. Southampton FC are a club in the top half of the PL and the players need to start acting like it in EVERY match, not just when they feel like it.

[Saint_clark]

Well, it was a red all day long

And yoshida had a big part in their goal!!!

As did Bertrand, who went to clear (meaning Yoshida backed off) and then didn't (leaving Yoshida on the back foot), and Van Dijk who left Defoe completely free.

 

Anyone see who became skipper after Jose's red?

 

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Pelle.

[Saint Benali]

What? Play dire football and spend each season in a relegation fight, bumping along the bottom of the PL?

Yes we bloody should be expecting to beat teams in the bottom 4 because guess what.... That's what the top sides in the

PL do consistently and if this club wants European football performances like today and the one against Bournemouth are utterly unacceptable.

 

I don't care where we were a few seasons ago, it's irrelevant. History is for the skates. Southampton FC are a club in the top half of the PL and the players need to start acting like it in EVERY match, not just when they feel like it.

 

I was kidding mate. Any sane person knows a club in the top lot should be beating a team like Sunderland. It's just some are stuck in the small club mentality or are skates on a wind up. Pretty sure most people know which one fry is by now.

[ScepticalStan]

Sunderland really gifted us a point today. They panicked hugely as soon as they got their noses in front and had something to lose - kept on heading the ball/clearing it with plenty of time to bring it down and keep things under control, especially with the extra man.

 

All they ended up doing was gifting us corners/FKs and giving us the ball back from the 85th minute onwards. Better teams would have seen it out against us comfortably.

[Jonnyboy]

What? Play dire football and spend each season in a relegation fight, bumping along the bottom of the PL?

Yes we bloody should be expecting to beat teams in the bottom 4 because guess what.... That's what the top sides in the

PL do consistently and if this club wants European football performances like today and the one against Bournemouth are utterly unacceptable.

 

I don't care where we were a few seasons ago, it's irrelevant. History is for the skates. Southampton FC are a club in the top half of the PL and the players need to start acting like it in EVERY match, not just when they feel like it.

 

I think he was joking.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Pretty awful until the last 5 minutes - why? Yoshida a bit unlucky to be caught napping straight after he came on, hard to get up to speed that quick. Was his mistake any worse than several of Pelle's lame shots, Tadic letting the ball go under his foot and out for a throw in when clear, or Mane repeatedly having the first touch of a camel (or falling over). Front three were shocking, absolutely appalling.

[itchen]

We were poor. Our strikers are clearly lacking confidence but their keeper made two or three great saves to keep us out (as did Forster at our end). I thought Martina had a good game and so did Bertrand on the whole. Tadic was frustrating and Mane is clearly out of sorts. Pelle held the ball up well, cut out the backheels, but never looked like scoring. VVD and Rome our two best players.

 

I thought the ref was awful but he was right to send Fonte off. It was a poor game between two poor sides. I'm looking forward to the return of Long. (and maybe Austin too). It's frustrating as we know we can play better than the last week.weekly

[kermitsaint]

There is a reason for that John we don't have any good enough is that Koemans fault ? Reed has gone backwards and Gallagher can't hit a cows arse at the moment.

Koeman will be gone next year probably to a higher level than us so we will see where we go from there.

 

 

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Surely the Manager and coachs all take responsibility seeing as they sign and train the players ? Players shouldn't be going backwards unless its age related or fitness .

 

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[whelk]

You really are a piece of work aren't you Fry. You attack someone with an opposite opinion to yours but when they bite back you resort to infantile put downs.

 

Just for your information, not everyone on hear accepts mediocrity, some of us do really want Saints to be replicating what a similar size club like Leicester are acheiving, some of us would love to see us doing a victory lap at Wembley holding up a cup and some of us would be made up to see us progress in a European cup competition.

 

If you think losing at Bournemouth and scraping a draw at home to Sunderland is acceptable........fine, that's up to you, but if our manager and the board share your view god help us.

 

Accepting mediocrity? More like little toddler who cries every time his team doesn't win and entertain him fully like what he sees on the telly. Someone's to blame always as well and so simple to like win every game every week like what these other clubs do like all the time.

 

Same idiots are now going to be banging on 'why can't we be like Leicester' now no doubt.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

All post match interviews are words and soundbites. What were you expecting?

 

Why is it pathetic?

Koeman basically says the same thing after every game but then carries on making the same strange tactical and selection choices. When Fonte was sent off was there the need to bring on Yoshida? He was settling for a point which against Sunderland at home, even with 10 men, I thought pathetic.

[Kingsland Codger]

The Man of the Match was Vito Mannone by a country mile. He made three vital saves in the first-half and another couple on the second. Yes, it is frustrating we weren't smashing another eight goals past them but we were mostly thwarted by their goalkeeper.

[Andy Durman]

Seems to me that our drop in form has coincided with Targett not being in the team and Koemans insistence on playing with a slower attacking option or options

[Mr Biscuits]

I was kidding mate. Any sane person knows a club in the top lot should be beating a team like Sunderland. It's just some are stuck in the small club mentality or are skates on a wind up. Pretty sure most people know which one fry is by now.

 

My apologies, I didn't read your post that way.

[Andy Durman]

A back 3 of Bertrand, Fonte and VVD with width, defensive support and most of all speed from Targett and Cedric. Two fast strikers, two holding players and Davis linking the play at No. 10.

 

Ronald Koeman you found the answer and then decided to ask the question again. This is why you are not yet a world class manager.

 

Consistency brings out the best in players. Player rotation whilst sometimes necessary, largely unsettles and affects cohesion.

 

6 points lost in the last 3 games. Probably more concerning is that Forster has become uncertain. We did ride our luck in our good run of form. The loss of our leader Fonte because of Martina not doing his job is going to make it hard for us to get into Europe.

 

We Stumble On!

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[CB Fry]

You really are a piece of work aren't you Fry. You attack someone with an opposite opinion to yours but when they bite back you resort to infantile put downs.

 

Just for your information, not everyone on hear accepts mediocrity, some of us do really want Saints to be replicating what a similar size club like Leicester are acheiving, some of us would love to see us doing a victory lap at Wembley holding up a cup and some of us would be made up to see us progress in a European cup competition.

 

If you think losing at Bournemouth and scraping a draw at home to Sunderland is acceptable........fine, that's up to you, but if our manager and the board share your view god help us.

 

Where have I said I don't want to see us in Europe or running round Wembley with a cup? Anyone who pays attention to anything I write on here will know that's all I ever want us to do.

 

 

If you read the drivel I was replying to, you'll notice it was blathering on about how the club has "eroded" when we haven't. Presumably you agree with OldNick meaning that when we were 9th two years ago we weren't accepting mediocrity but right now, in 8th place, we are mediocre. Okay then.

 

And if you can actually find a post from me where I say today's defeat and Tuesday's are "acceptable" then do post it up. Because I've said nothing, whatsoever, at all, even resembling that.

 

Keep frothing though. Keep frothing.

[doddisalegend]

Seems to me that our drop in form has coincided with Targett not being in the team and Koemans insistence on playing with a slower attacking option or options

 

Did you see him against Chelsea probably the worst player on the pitch that day.

[Graffito]

Seems to me that our drop in form has coincided with Targett not being in the team and Koemans insistence on playing with a slower attacking option or options

 

Targett not being in the team is coincidence as you say not the cause of a drop in form as you mean to say. Which quicker attacking options should Koeman have used yesterday?

[Donatello]

A back 3 of Bertrand, Fonte and VVD with width, defensive support and most of all speed from Targett and Cedric. Two fast strikers, two holding players and Davis linking the play at No. 10.

 

Ronald Koeman you found the answer and then decided to ask the question again. This is why you are not yet a world class manager.

 

Consistency brings out the best in players. Player rotation whilst sometimes necessary, largely unsettles and affects cohesion.

 

6 points lost in the last 3 games. Probably more concerning is that Forster has become uncertain. We did ride our luck in our good run of form. The loss of our leader Fonte because of Martina not doing his job is going to make it hard for us to get into Europe.

 

We Stumble On!

 

Ermmm, that's the system we have been playing, save for half of the Bournemouth game where it clearly wasn't working, and yesterday, where injuries necessitated the change.

[Shance]

A back 3 of Bertrand, Fonte and VVD with width, defensive support and most of all speed from Targett and Cedric. Two fast strikers, two holding players and Davis linking the play at No. 10.

 

Ronald Koeman you found the answer and then decided to ask the question again. This is why you are not yet a world class manager.

 

Consistency brings out the best in players. Player rotation whilst sometimes necessary, largely unsettles and affects cohesion.

 

6 points lost in the last 3 games. Probably more concerning is that Forster has become uncertain. We did ride our luck in our good run of form. The loss of our leader Fonte because of Martina not doing his job is going to make it hard for us to get into Europe.

 

We Stumble On!

 

So what team would you have played yesterday then? We had no options due to injuries. Also, I don't care what anyone says, that team should've been more than enough to beat Sunderland who we just as **** as we were.

[Wade Garrett]

I think Ron probably put the best side he could out yesterday. The only contentious decision was dropping Cedric.

 

To slag him off for that is a bit much for me. How many were saying stick to 3 at the back before the game?

 

How many moaned at the the time when Yosh came on after Fonte was sent off? With 10 men, a draw wasn't a bad result. As someone said, as average as it was, their keeper still made some great saves.

[Toomer]

We play out of the Jim (sideways ) Magilton book of football.

[cobbysouth]

Though Martina played well yesterday. Lots of smart decisions, kept possession well and him and Mane were the pushing force behind a lot of our attacks at times.

[Cabrone]

The season so far.........won 1 in 8 -> unbeaten in 8 -> won 1 in 10 -> unbeaten in 6 with 5 clean sheets -> back on a downswing with no wins in the last 3, 2 against teams we'd expect to get better results against.

 

Up and down we go.

 

Good goal from VVD, good player. Pelle should be moved on, too streaky, if we get a decent offer then it's time to say goodbye. Same with Mane. Looking forward to a Long\Austin combo up front next year.

 

I think Sunderland will stay up, they might not be the best but they have spirit and that should see them through. Love him or hate him Allardyce is the sort of guy you'd want in your corner when things are tough.

 

Villa are dead and buried, based on their performances Newcastle are taking the last rights and I think (sadly) that Norwich will be joining them.

 

As for us, looks like the players are already planning their holidays. Safety assured, time to start preparing for next season already.

 

Ho hum.

[hasper57saint]

Yes.That performance was rubbish.But,boy,am I glad I don't support Villa or Sunderland.

[mrfahaji]

The Man of the Match was Vito Mannone by a country mile. He made three vital saves in the first-half and another couple on the second. Yes, it is frustrating we weren't smashing another eight goals past them but we were mostly thwarted by their goalkeeper.

 

It wasn't a horrendous performance by Saints but really cannot see how you can think it was purely down to Mannone... He made one excellent stop but the others you would expect him to save and there really weren't that many. I thought the Sunderland centre halves were decent, but Van Dijk and Romeu were the best players on the pitch for me - when we went down to 10 it was these two who stepped up and seemed to be showing even more resolve and determination to get something out of the game.

 

But I would grant you that Mannone had a better game than last season.

[mrfahaji]

I think Sunderland will stay up, they might not be the best but they have spirit and that should see them through. Love him or hate him Allardyce is the sort of guy you'd want in your corner when things are tough.

 

You're probably right but what about once the relegation scrap is over? I can see why West Ham wanted him out despite results being ok. His sides are terrible to watch - it's not even the long ball style tactics, more the cynical time wasting, injury feigning etc. Every trick in the book.

 

Maybe when you're desperate to stay up you'll take that, but perhaps Sunderland need to go down to reassemble and sort their club out. Everything is so short term there and they surely can't want to be playing dire football every year just to preserve their status. I guess if Allardyce can turn them into an anti football mid table team they'd take that over perennial relegation scrapping.

[East Kent Saint]

Watching MotD we looked not bad ! even Pele had good touches and Tadic laid on the goal for VVD not sure Fonte should have been given a straight red but I suppose that is the letter of the law re goal scoring chance. good to see Chelsea last in the running order also agree with awful defending / lack of effort by Villa and Newcastle , not just a case of getting behind the ball but also closing down , tackling and not playing them onside . I few times our defence got caught out as well yesterday possibly each player expecting the other to challenge before their goal.

[scotty]

You're probably right but what about once the relegation scrap is over? I can see why West Ham wanted him out despite results being ok. His sides are terrible to watch - it's not even the long ball style tactics, more the cynical time wasting, injury feigning etc. Every trick in the book.

 

Maybe when you're desperate to stay up you'll take that, but perhaps Sunderland need to go down to reassemble and sort their club out. Everything is so short term there and they surely can't want to be playing dire football every year just to preserve their status. I guess if Allardyce can turn them into an anti football mid table team they'd take that over perennial relegation scrapping.

 

Let's face it, perennial relegation scrapping by a team in red and white stripes is something we know plenty about.

[Window Cleaner]

Watching MotD we looked not bad ! even Pele had good touches and Tadic laid on the goal for VVD not sure Fonte should have been given a straight red but I suppose that is the letter of the law re goal scoring chance. good to see Chelsea last in the running order also agree with awful defending / lack of effort by Villa and Newcastle , not just a case of getting behind the ball but also closing down , tackling and not playing them onside . I few times our defence got caught out as well yesterday possibly each player expecting the other to challenge before their goal.

 

Borini was past Fonte and heading for goal, Fonte wrestled him back by pulling his shirt and bear hugging him as he so often does, how anyone can dispute that the red card was outed I just can't see.

[mrfahaji]

Let's face it, perennial relegation scrapping by a team in red and white stripes is something we know plenty about.

 

Ha, I did think about that, but if we are drawings comparisons, we were never very good but still tried to play a half decent brand of football, apart from with Branfoot, and the fans made it pretty clear how they felt about him.

[Appy]

The Man of the Match was Vito Mannone by a country mile. He made three vital saves in the first-half and another couple on the second. Yes, it is frustrating we weren't smashing another eight goals past them but we were mostly thwarted by their goalkeeper.

 

He wasn't, he didn't have any difficult saves to make, all straight at him.

[sadoldgit]

Pretty awful until the last 5 minutes - why? Yoshida a bit unlucky to be caught napping straight after he came on, hard to get up to speed that quick. Was his mistake any worse than several of Pelle's lame shots, Tadic letting the ball go under his foot and out for a throw in when clear, or Mane repeatedly having the first touch of a camel (or falling over). Front three were shocking, absolutely appalling.

 

The words Yoshida and caught napping are used too frequently in the same sentence for my liking

[Charlie Wayman]

Thank **** for that!

 

So we bring on Yoshi to sure up the defence...

 

Surely to god all you Yoshi supporters have had enough now? He's a liability. 11 men, 10 men, it doesn't matter. He makes individual mistakes game after game. He shouldn't be in the premier league let alone playing for us. Does my head in.

 

Rubbish!

[Saint Fan CaM]

He wasn't, he didn't have any difficult saves to make, all straight at him.

 

You must have not been watching the game - Mannone did make 3 worldies to keep us out...one of which was from a superb close range drive by Martina, who incidentally had a really good game.

[Leicestersaint]

Two pretty poor sides playing in a pretty poor match with a pretty poor referee. Our front three were simply dreadful.

[Charlie Wayman]

You're probably right but what about once the relegation scrap is over? I can see why West Ham wanted him out despite results being ok. His sides are terrible to watch - it's not even the long ball style tactics, more the cynical time wasting, injury feigning etc. Every trick in the book.

 

Maybe when you're desperate to stay up you'll take that, but perhaps Sunderland need to go down to reassemble and sort their club out. Everything is so short term there and they surely can't want to be playing dire football every year just to preserve their status. I guess if Allardyce can turn them into an anti football mid table team they'd take that over perennial relegation scrapping.

 

They were no worse than us yesterday so not sure what match you were watching? It is pretty obvious to most that Sam Allardyce has distilled a good sense of fight, determination, cohesion and solidity into a squad that one year ago couldn't muster there passes in a row or get out of their own half and shipped goals by the bucket load. If that's not down to him tell us what other miracle has occurred at the Stadium of Light?

[Saint Billy]

Accepting mediocrity? More like little toddler who cries every time his team doesn't win and entertain him fully like what he sees on the telly. Someone's to blame always as well and so simple to like win every game every week like what these other clubs do like all the time.

 

Same idiots are now going to be banging on 'why can't we be like Leicester' now no doubt.

 

I'm sat on the toilet reading this deciding what piece of s h i t to deal with and you lost.

[captainchris]

A back 3 of Bertrand, Fonte and VVD with width, defensive support and most of all speed from Targett and Cedric. Two fast strikers, two holding players and Davis linking the play at No. 10.

 

Ronald Koeman you found the answer and then decided to ask the question again. This is why you are not yet a world class manager.

 

Consistency brings out the best in players. Player rotation whilst sometimes necessary, largely unsettles and affects cohesion.

 

6 points lost in the last 3 games. Probably more concerning is that Forster has become uncertain. We did ride our luck in our good run of form. The loss of our leader Fonte because of Martina not doing his job is going to make it hard for us to get into Europe.

 

We Stumble On!

Your point about Koeman finding the answer and then asking the question again is spot on. It's as though he forgets what he has tried previously.... His continuous experimenting is really quite bizarre and detrimental to the team cohesion.

To only realise now that Pelle is wasting procession time after time is rather admission that he doesn't see the game in any detail. When is Koeman going to realise that Pelle needs coaching in other areas just as urgently? A premier league manager needs to recognise where his successes and failures lie far quicker. Koeman is demonstrating he is not

capable of this....

Now I'm not saying get Steve McLaren in but I am saying he is not going to take us where we want to go....

[doddisalegend]

So what team would you have played yesterday then? We had no options due to injuries. Also, I don't care what anyone says, that team should've been more than enough to beat Sunderland who we just as **** as we were.

 

We were far batter than Sunderland yesterday even with 10 men we were better if we had had Long or Austin playing in front instead of Pelle we would have won easily IMO. Ron was left with a choice of two out form (and then some) attackers in Mane and Pelle or playing Juanmi and some under 18 kid up top.

[doddisalegend]

He wasn't, he didn't have any difficult saves to make, all straight at him.

 

Tell that to the Sunderland fans chanting his name all game and after.

[sadoldgit]

Your point about Koeman finding the answer and then asking the question again is spot on. It's as though he forgets what he has tried previously.... His continuous experimenting is really quite bizarre and detrimental to the team cohesion.

To only realise now that Pelle is wasting procession time after time is rather admission that he doesn't see the game in any detail. When is Koeman going to realise that Pelle needs coaching in other areas just as urgently? A premier league manager needs to recognise where his successes and failures lie far quicker. Koeman is demonstrating he is not

capable of this....

Now I'm not saying get Steve McLaren in but I am saying he is not going to take us where we want to go....

 

Once again, how do you know that Pelle is not being coached? You make it sound all so very easy. People are not robots. There is a lot more to it than what the manager brings for any club. Frankly when we were down to 10 men and a goal down I thought we were done. How about a bit of praise for digging out a point when it seemed like we had lost the game?

[doddisalegend]

Borini was past Fonte and heading for goal, Fonte wrestled him back by pulling his shirt and bear hugging him as he so often does, how anyone can dispute that the red card was outed I just can't see.

 

Clear red all day long on the plus side we actually played our best football with only 10 men.

[Saint Billy]

Where have I said I don't want to see us in Europe or running round Wembley with a cup? Anyone who pays attention to anything I write on here will know that's all I ever want us to do.

 

 

If you read the drivel I was replying to, you'll notice it was blathering on about how the club has "eroded" when we haven't. Presumably you agree with OldNick meaning that when we were 9th two years ago we weren't accepting mediocrity but right now, in 8th place, we are mediocre. Okay then.

 

And if you can actually find a post from me where I say today's defeat and Tuesday's are "acceptable" then do post it up. Because I've said nothing, whatsoever, at all, even resembling that.

 

Keep frothing though. Keep frothing.

 

There's a few on here that make me froth and your one of them. I've also noticed something in common with them all which is a heavy post count normally used on attacking others that don't share their views rather than expressing anything original themselves. Just another bunch of small mans syndrome cyber warriors taking over the place and ruining it.

[Donatello]

You really are a piece of work aren't you Fry. You attack someone with an opposite opinion to yours but when they bite back you resort to infantile put downs.

 

*ahem*

 

I'm sat on the toilet reading this deciding what piece of s h i t to deal with and you lost.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

You really are a piece of work aren't you Fry. You attack someone with an opposite opinion to yours but when they bite back you resort to infantile put downs.

 

Just for your information, not everyone on hear accepts mediocrity, some of us do really want Saints to be replicating what a similar size club like Leicester are acheiving, some of us would love to see us doing a victory lap at Wembley holding up a cup and some of us would be made up to see us progress in a European cup competition.

 

If you think losing at Bournemouth and scraping a draw at home to Sunderland is acceptable........fine, that's up to you, but if our manager and the board share your view god help us.

 

I'm sat on the toilet reading this deciding what piece of s h i t to deal with and you lost.

 

*ahem*

 

Silly billy:lol:

[S-Clarke]

We've hit another one of those proverbial brick walls. Not dominating games, poor possession, lack of movement in the final third.

 

It's been such a **** season quality wise across the board, not just for us. The title will probably be won with 70 odd points this year, which says all you need to know about the quality.

[Saint Billy]

Just biting back and seeing how they like a bit of their own treatment!.

[benjii]

Watching MotD we looked not bad ! even Pele had good touches and Tadic laid on the goal for VVD not sure Fonte should have been given a straight red but I suppose that is the letter of the law re goal scoring chance. good to see Chelsea last in the running order also agree with awful defending / lack of effort by Villa and Newcastle , not just a case of getting behind the ball but also closing down , tackling and not playing them onside . I few times our defence got caught out as well yesterday possibly each player expecting the other to challenge before their goal.

 

Tadic and Pelle played well. So did Martina.

 

You shouldn't believe what some of the odd-balls on here write!