Shandy_Top_89 Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Can't complain about the result, I don't think Sunderland offered much (bar Defoe, who was his usual dangerous self) Sunderland were utterly terrible in that first half and gifted us all sorts of wide open spaces, but we failed to capitalise despite Bertrands best efforts. Once they tightened things up (and became noticeably sharper) in the second we had no response and it took the sending off to really open the game up. VVD motm by so far it's unreal, our best threat up front as well as a defensive rock. Romeu also had a good game, I don't think we are missing Wanyama too much as a result of his consistent performances. Bertrand had a cracking first half, but wasn't as noticeable in the second. Martina wasn't as bad as is being suggested, but is solid and nothing more. Pelle had some neat work in the build up to the goal, but I honestly don't see him ever scoring again for us. He just doesn't get in the positions and his hold up play seems to be deteriorating. Tadic was ok first half and again some neat play in the build up to the goal, but I don't feel overly convinced. Mane poor, while he's obviously talented he is in a real rut at the minute. Fonte red card was fair, but he didn't have much of a choice. Supporting Saints is the ultimate blue balls experience, as soon as we show signs of promise we collapse into a heap. It's disappointing to see when sides like West Ham and Leicester (who we are definitely capable of competing with on paper) are pulling that bit extra out of the bag. Still it could be much worse, but it would be nice for us to deliver that next level, especially when we know it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboy Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Mane – a bizarre display. Was playing in front of me in second half and thought he must be injured because he wasn’t running off the ball at all, and seemed totally devoid of any pace. But given that he wasn’t taken off, it leaves me thinking maybe he just wasn't trying … Taken off in 83rd minute replaced by maya hth ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Tadic - check out the Rodwell volley chance and how he fails to track his man. Thats what he does badly. What he does well is keep the ball and create good chances. None of that today. Agree with your points for the whole team (see mine above which are similar). Forgot about Tadic's lack of tracking back, it happened a few times, particularly in second half. He kept miscontrolling the ball in second half but think it's unfair to say "none of that today" - he set up the goal after all, and that wasn't the only instance of producing a half decent cross. Don't get me wrong, I thought he was poor overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Taken off in 83rd minute replaced by maya hth ! Sorry, I meant taken off earlier - when Davis & Clasie were taken off Mane had been playing terribly for a while so was surprised he stayed on at that point. Have edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 People blaming Yoshida for there goal.Martina should of been goal side of Defoe or have picked him up Martina also let Borini run through for Fonte red if I remember, I know Yoshida is a easy target to be the whipping boy but I feel he may be a little hard done by in this instance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 This time two years ago, after 29 matches, before this howwible howwible erosion started, we were 9th. But with a whole point more than we have now. A whole point. The erosion, oh the erosion, has been chronic since then, it really has been. We'll never be ninth after 29 games again, that's for sure. Such erosion. Such terrible, terrible erosion.Iam truly sorry you have a speech impediment. it must be very rare to have it in speech but also when you write. IMO there is an erosion in the squad quality,and even the whole club.We seem to have stalled. You told us a week or so ago that finishing 7th is magnificent and that was reaching for the stars. Therefore I totally understand how you attempt to pour derision on people who have higher hopes, fantasy perhaps but that is my hope. It is quite quaint to read posts by yourself and Turkish pushing your chests out in pride that we may make 7th 8th 9th and the achievement that is. To me 7th 8th 9th may as well be 12 th 13th 14th. The only people that gain from 9th instead of 13th are the owners who get a bit more into the coffers. Fans criticise Pottechino for leaving but from where I sit he did right a he could see that the club will always sell the best , wheras at Spurs it will take a lot to sell more than the odd player. RK if he has any sense will leave if a decent chance comes along as you can be sure VVD Mane and Victor will be sold. Yes the club will get a load of money in and in turn will spend a percentage. IMVHO I believe the club are taking the fans for fools. As an aside did you happen to hear Danny Holland talking about Sir Les last night? The Charlton players so disliked his training methods etc they went and asked the chairman to get rid of him!!! This was only after a few weeks of him as boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Also worth noting that Sunderland were celebrating throughout injury time up until the goal, a lot of congratulatory hugs and little high fives going on during breaks in play up until the equaliser. Not what you need in a relegation scrap, they are lucky that those around them seem to be imploding on a massive scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 What a crock. There are no easy PL teams that's why people all around the world like watching the PL because games are general tough and close. It's no wonder half of SMS spends the whole game moaning and groaning when people just expect to rock up and win games easily. Sunderland are fighting for their PL life and were never going to be a push over. Yet we fought back from a goal down with ten men to salvage a point people should be happy with that. I think the issue is that we know we can be a lot better than we were - we've proved it recently with a good run of results... no, a great run of results. Some of our players don't always seem to put in the performances we know they should. That's disappointing from a fan's perspective. Maybe we are being too hard on them, though. As you say, Sunderland are fighting for their PL life and they have a manager experienced in PL ways. Nevertheless, I still think we're good enough that we should have won. It could be seen as a bad day, with a relieved ending providing some satisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Really don't think that is the main problem. Koeman with randome radical tactical errors and poor team selection is murdering us I do agree in that RK's constant tinkering with team selection is a major problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I think the issue is that we know we can be a lot better than we were - we've proved it recently with a good run of results... no, a great run of results. The issue comes when people start mistaking a great run of results for a great run of performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 No both his points were spot on we were by far the better team let down by turd finishing as we have been for large parts of the season. Martina was not nearly as poor as people are making put and was much better in the second half when he started getting forward. I don't think Martina was particularly poor whatsoever (unless he completely ****ed up during my frequent toilet breaks). I don't actually think we were that poor, just frustratingly incapable of turning good opportunities into goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Not a bad performance against a much improved side with a lot more to play for. 2-0 or 3-0 would have been fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 He got the sub right didn't he or are you so anti Koeman you can't see that? Left on a creative and took off player not scored since October. How was it wrong team selection today! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I am not going to bother to reply to your rather weak justification for disagreeing of my criticism of Koeman over a sustained period of poor management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Iam truly sorry you have a speech impediment. it must be very rare to have it in speech but also when you write. IMO there is an erosion in the squad quality,and even the whole club.We seem to have stalled. You told us a week or so ago that finishing 7th is magnificent and that was reaching for the stars. Therefore I totally understand how you attempt to pour derision on people who have higher hopes, fantasy perhaps but that is my hope. It is quite quaint to read posts by yourself and Turkish pushing your chests out in pride that we may make 7th 8th 9th and the achievement that is. To me 7th 8th 9th may as well be 12 th 13th 14th. The only people that gain from 9th instead of 13th are the owners who get a bit more into the coffers. Fans criticise Pottechino for leaving but from where I sit he did right a he could see that the club will always sell the best , wheras at Spurs it will take a lot to sell more than the odd player. RK if he has any sense will leave if a decent chance comes along as you can be sure VVD Mane and Victor will be sold. Yes the club will get a load of money in and in turn will spend a percentage. IMVHO I believe the club are taking the fans for fools. As an aside did you happen to hear Danny Holland talking about Sir Les last night? The Charlton players so disliked his training methods etc they went and asked the chairman to get rid of him!!! This was only after a few weeks of him as boss. Heaven help us if we were 17th. Keep blubbering drivel you whining hysterical sap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I am not going to bother to reply to your rather weak justification for disagreeing of my criticism of Koeman over a sustained period of poor management. Koeman is a mid table manager managing a mid table group of players , why is anyone surprised that we are mid table ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I am not going to bother to reply to your rather weak justification for disagreeing of my criticism of Koeman over a sustained period of poor management. Does that 'sustained period' exclude Jan13th-Feb13th ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Koeman reactions to draw - before the game, 1 point would not have been good. would not be happy. at the end of the game, I am happy. 1-0 down and 10 men...that last 5 mins was our best football of the game we struggled first 85 mins it was not our level they were well organised and strong we needed extra quality they never made it open they need points we have to be sharp we know defoe is good to score with 1 moment and he showed it Jose was a little unlucky, it was a fight but can see why it was given happy with character of the side after the sending off it was a great goal we scored, good attack and finish why it took with 1 player less, I just dont know. That lies with the players some players did not reach their level last 5 mins show we still have belief to keep going today we struggled, too many player far away from their normal level was a great goal and good movement from tadic and ryan the finish was fantastic we expect that sort of football from the start the point is good to take forward to the n ext game we still fight for europe may be a point that gets us europe Load of words and soundbites but pretty pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I am not going to bother to reply to your rather weak justification for disagreeing of my criticism of Koeman over a sustained period of poor management. Good, glad you aren't going to reply as you talk utter s hit e but it's expected as you have a agenda, a pathetically sad agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Koeman is a mid table manager managing a mid table group of players , why is anyone surprised that we are mid table ? I think most people agree with you but it is rather disappointing thats all Not sure if Koeman is good for us now as we struggle to bring youngsters through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 On a different tack, José's ban is 2 games I think? For professional foul Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I am not going to bother to reply to your rather weak justification for disagreeing of my criticism of Koeman over a sustained period of poor management. Good because you can't you have constantly criticised him and ignored when he got it right. There have been some shocking tactics at times and I have stated that when it has been so . You just seem to moan at whatever he does. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Reading this thread makes me think the majority of posters have only supported Saints for the past 5 years, only the good times. As a "lifer" of over 40 seasons you get a bit of perspective and, whilst always annoyed at a loss or draw, you have to appreciate this is still the best we've performed in many, many years so try to remember the days of Branfoot, Grey, Wigley, Sturrock, the Dutch Duo, and having Jermaine Wright as the first name on the team sheet! We'll improve, we have a good squad, good manager, stable board. Chin up, we've never had it so good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Well I hope Sunderland go down, they have added nothing to the league for years and now Fat Sam has bought his tactical bag of tricks to them with time wasting, feigning injuries and generally doing anything they can to disrupt the game let them go down, actually just let Sam bugger off, his Bolton, Blackburn, West Ham and now Subderland team are no pleasure to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I think most people agree with you but it is rather disappointing thats all Not sure if Koeman is good for us now as we struggle to bring youngsters through There is a reason for that John we don't have any good enough is that Koemans fault ? Reed has gone backwards and Gallagher can't hit a cows arse at the moment. Koeman will be gone next year probably to a higher level than us so we will see where we go from there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Really dismal performance and a selection of Pelle, Tadic, and continuing to keep them after half time was disgraceful. They were pathetic. At least Martina out in some decent effort for a player who hasn't played for ages The likes of LVG and Pochettino would have had the guts to give the youngsters a go. They couldn't have done any worse. There is something very wrong. In Koeman's game plan and choice of players. I don't think I can take much more games of such pathetic play as recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Load of words and soundbites but pretty pathetic All post match interviews are words and soundbites. What were you expecting? Why is it pathetic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Really dismal performance and a selection of Pelle, Tadic, and continuing to keep them after half time was disgraceful. They were pathetic. At least Martina out in some decent effort for a player who hasn't played for ages The likes of LVG and Pochettino would have had the guts to give the youngsters a go. They couldn't have done any worse. There is something very wrong. In Koeman's game plan and choice of players. I don't think I can take much more games of such pathetic play as recently. Have you watched our youngsters? Obviously not ... Today we had to put on an u18 on bench who hardly shines for the 21s he isn't ready!!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Seems like Wanyama is crucial to either the team morale or the team work. Long being injured and having to play Mane, Tadic and Pelle also seems to have been a problem. Another clean-out required this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Really dismal performance and a selection of Pelle, Tadic, and continuing to keep them after half time was disgraceful. They were pathetic. At least Martina out in some decent effort for a player who hasn't played for ages The likes of LVG and Pochettino would have had the guts to give the youngsters a go. They couldn't have done any worse. There is something very wrong. In Koeman's game plan and choice of players. I don't think I can take much more games of such pathetic play as recently. Why do people spout this crap of course they could do worse..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Seems like Wanyama is crucial to either the team morale or the team work. Long being injured and having to play Mane, Tadic and Pelle also seems to have been a problem. Another clean-out required this summer In one Alps we HAD to play them. We had very little other option. Pelle and Mane are so off its untrue but with injuries to 3 other strikers we had to go with them. I would still like a scoring Davis replacement and a wide skilful pacey winger to change tactics when struggling. Plus a right back is vital for me too many lost point from that position over thevseason Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 At one point today Juanmi was standing in Sunderland box with nobody near him and nobody between him and the goal. JWP had the ball and just needed to knock it 5 yards forward to Juanmi and he'd have been on goal but instead passed it sideways. Sums up our attacking at present. Is it worth trying VVD as a striker for a while? Can we clone him? I've never seen Mane look so immobile. He's coasting, didn't seem to want to sprint or win anything. His mind is not right and I would not start him again this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Reading this thread makes me think the majority of posters have only supported Saints for the past 5 years, only the good times. As a "lifer" of over 40 seasons you get a bit of perspective and, whilst always annoyed at a loss or draw, you have to appreciate this is still the best we've performed in many, many years so try to remember the days of Branfoot, Grey, Wigley, Sturrock, the Dutch Duo, and having Jermaine Wright as the first name on the team sheet! We'll improve, we have a good squad, good manager, stable board. Chin up, we've never had it so good! I have 'endured' 60 seasons and agree with Max completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I have 'endured' 60 seasons and agree with Max completely. I'm in this camp too. How can people forget that as recently as 5 seasons ago we were struggling in League 1? And even in the past Premier days, season after season I would have been deliriously happy to be safe from relegation with nine games to go. Too much FM fantasy, I suspect. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Good, glad you aren't going to reply as you talk utter s hit e but it's expected as you have a agenda, a pathetically sad agenda Oops, you sound rather touchy and typical of the few that come on here and never have any comment other to rubbish the people who actually do have.... If you are actually blind to Koemans mistakes then that's fine by me... I have no axe to grind with you for that .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 We are sooooooo slow. We can't string a series of passes together. Movement was very poor too. Corners shocking. Tadic was completely rubbish. Yes he crossed for the goal, but that apart he was woeful. Pelle was better, but way off. I actually thought Mane was a lot better second half. Romeu was our best player, followed by VVD. Really hope we acquire some pace in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Reading this thread makes me think the majority of posters have only supported Saints for the past 5 years, only the good times. As a "lifer" of over 40 seasons you get a bit of perspective and, whilst always annoyed at a loss or draw, you have to appreciate this is still the best we've performed in many, many years so try to remember the days of Branfoot, Grey, Wigley, Sturrock, the Dutch Duo, and having Jermaine Wright as the first name on the team sheet! We'll improve, we have a good squad, good manager, stable board. Chin up, we've never had it so good! I've been watching for over 30 years and I actually still want us to be ambitious. Yes we've had some terrible times but in recent times we've had a massive opportunity to move on. I'd like us to take that chance and do something more special than being acceptably average. I don't see why so many people think ambition is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Absolute ****. Fonte out for a game now as well. Pelle was awful, as was Tadic. What does Juanmi even do? Role on next season now. "Role" on?........jesus, I despair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I've been watching and supporting Saints since May 1st, 1976. It's been downhill ever since. I must be a glory hunter that didn't do their homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 The issue comes when people start mistaking a great run of results for a great run of performances. Well, I suppose it's possible to 'win ugly' or lose a 'dominating' game. My point was that we've played some excellent, attractive, attacking football this season which shows we can play to that standard. Other PL managers have also recognised this. However, it appears we didn't today. Are you suggesting that our recent good run of results was down to a less attractive style of play and/or we got lucky? If so, you could be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I've been watching and supporting Saints since May 1st, 1976. It's been downhill ever since. I must be a glory hunter that didn't do their homework. You're just a gold digging newbie! My first game was Boxing Day 1975. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Penalty looked harsh from where I was. More red cards than any other PL team so far. Anyone would think we're a dirty team. Sunderland were cr@p and we weren't much better.So glad those who abandoned the stadium after we conceded missed our equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Load of words and soundbites but pretty pathetic Words FFS! That's not what I expect from our manager when he's being interviewed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 At least we weren't 2 nil up and go on to lose 3-2 like Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I thought their keeper kept them in the game to be honest. Agreed it was far from our best performance but I thought Romeu and Van Dijk in particular played well and although Tadic seems to have got a lot of stick, for me, he did OK and caused them allsorts of problems second half. Overall result not good enough but on another day we'd have scored another 2 or 3. For me, Van Dijk is player of the season by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Definitely the least I've ever celebrated a last minute equaliser, didn't even care. Awful performance and awful result. ****ing hell. Really? I was jumping about like a loony when we scored. I hate losing against BFS sides and today we deserved at least a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Yes it was crap. You do know we scored at the death because Pelle played a smart ball out to Bertrand who then fed Tadic yes? Pelle who also fed Tadic earlier in the game who forced Mannone into a save. Pelle who fed Martina late in the game who forced Mannone into a save. I'm happy to admit he's been well below par for quite a while. But there are 9 other men out there not exactly setting the world on fire. Ward-Prowse do much? Mane? Can you possibly go one post without mentioning your favourite whipping boy? This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Well, it was a red all day long And yoshida had a big part in their goal!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globetrotter Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Anyone see who became skipper after Jose's red? Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 Heaven help us if we were 17th. Keep blubbering drivel you whining hysterical sap. You really are a piece of work aren't you Fry. You attack someone with an opposite opinion to yours but when they bite back you resort to infantile put downs. Just for your information, not everyone on hear accepts mediocrity, some of us do really want Saints to be replicating what a similar size club like Leicester are acheiving, some of us would love to see us doing a victory lap at Wembley holding up a cup and some of us would be made up to see us progress in a European cup competition. If you think losing at Bournemouth and scraping a draw at home to Sunderland is acceptable........fine, that's up to you, but if our manager and the board share your view god help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 5 March, 2016 Share Posted 5 March, 2016 I'm with CB cry on this one. We shouldn't be expected to win against a bottom 4 side at home. Only a few years ago we were in league one. We have no divine right to beat these teams even after spending around £100m on players over the past few seasons. We could learn a lot by watching Sunderland. We could even get into Europe one day if we try to be like them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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