paulwantsapint Posted 17 February, 2016 Share Posted 17 February, 2016 Would probably be seen as damaging cups but how about clubs having to opt into playing in the cups in June/July It would be interesting to see who does & doesn't, would make the whinging managers have no excuse over too many games if they choose to opt in or lack of silver wear if opted out I want saints to play as many games as possible & to have more of a chance to win something Ask any Arsenal fan what is more fun fa cup win or winning 4th place & having the biggest bank balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 February, 2016 Share Posted 18 February, 2016 In the last twenty years the FA Cup has only been won twice by non big clubs, Wigan and I can't remember the other one. So this decline is nothing to do with big clubs not winning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 February, 2016 Share Posted 18 February, 2016 This has been a big earner for the smaller clubs as well as being part of the tradition of one of what was one of the greatest competitions in football. Another attempt to devalue it and it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Fan Dan Posted 18 February, 2016 Share Posted 18 February, 2016 Not this again. The whole CL to the FA Cup winners is the stupidest idea ever. It'll never happen and never should. Had it been put in place years ago then bottom of the table Aston Villa would have been in the CL. The whole point of the CL is that it's for the best clubs and 4th place is more deserving of it. Over the course of a long season, by finishing 4th you've proven that you can compete with the best in your division and you could have a good crack at the CL. If a Championship team went and won the FA Cup, big deal. They'll get crushed by teams every week in the CL and they may have had really easy draws in gettng to the final. It's a flawed system and is just a romantic one from fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 18 February, 2016 Share Posted 18 February, 2016 If there was enough prize money for clubs in the FA cup, they would suddenly be interested again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 February, 2016 Share Posted 19 February, 2016 If clubs are worried about the number of games they play, perhaps they should not go on the lucrative tours pre season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 February, 2016 Share Posted 19 February, 2016 Not this again. The whole CL to the FA Cup winners is the stupidest idea ever. It'll never happen and never should. Had it been put in place years ago then bottom of the table Aston Villa would have been in the CL. The whole point of the CL is that it's for the best clubs and 4th place is more deserving of it. Over the course of a long season, by finishing 4th you've proven that you can compete with the best in your division and you could have a good crack at the CL. If a Championship team went and won the FA Cup, big deal. They'll get crushed by teams every week in the CL and they may have had really easy draws in gettng to the final. It's a flawed system and is just a romantic one from fans. Why would Villa be in the CL, they didn't win the FA Cup. You have have a rule that if the cup winners have already qualified then the next CL place goes to the next league position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 February, 2016 Share Posted 19 February, 2016 Why would Villa be in the CL, they didn't win the FA Cup. You have have a rule that if the cup winners have already qualified then the next CL place goes to the next league position. Quite. This is what they currently have for the Europa League place (after years of the FA Cup runners up getting in). You would have had relegated Wigan qualifying a few years back though - which I why I'm against it. Then again I'd bring back the Cup Winners' Cup anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 19 February, 2016 Share Posted 19 February, 2016 Leave the FA Cup alone. One replay followed by pens seems to work OK. The League Cup however. Make it an U21 cup with 3 over age players. Or lose it altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 February, 2016 Share Posted 19 February, 2016 What exactly are we going to hope to win if we get rid of half of the cups we're usually in? As for the U21 Cup, don't they already have a couple of those for U21 teams. Keep both cups, it's up to clubs if they want to play the reserves or not. Though they should probably asterisk it for when the Skates beat Ipswich reserves and lose to a Bournemouth team with 10 changes just in case they get ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 February, 2016 Share Posted 19 February, 2016 The League Cup however. Make it an U21 cup with 3 over age players. Or lose it altogether. How does that benefit Saints or Saints fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 February, 2016 Share Posted 19 February, 2016 Wenger has come out in support of replays in the FA Cup and says that Premiership teams have big enough squads to deal with the extra matches. Fair play to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 February, 2016 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2016 Wenger has come out in support of replays in the FA Cup and says that Premiership teams have big enough squads to deal with the extra matches. Fair play to him. which is fair enough. Extra time in replays should go (although, not in he semi or the final) the fixtures could also be looked at...maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Normally like Steve Bruce but hearing him moaning about replays today was pathetic as if this was something that has just come up. Seems everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. My poor 25 man squad can't cope with the same amount of games (or less) than we have had in living memory. Having said that what a dull day of football - my only interest was keeping up with the live L2 table watching Pompey fall. You also have to wonder about winter break. We, and any team not in Europe or the 5th round, have in effect had one - can see an incentive there. Newcastle are having 18 days between games. La Liga only paused for 14 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Wenger has come out in support of replays in the FA Cup and says that Premiership teams have big enough squads to deal with the extra matches. Fair play to him. Quite. They play the reserves teams so what's the fuss? The first team remains fresh for the Prem and the Champs League games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 February, 2016 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Normally like Steve Bruce but hearing him moaning about replays today was pathetic as if this was something that has just come up. Seems everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. My poor 25 man squad can't cope with the same amount of games (or less) than we have had in living memory. Having said that what a dull day of football - my only interest was keeping up with the live L2 table watching Pompey fall. You also have to wonder about winter break. We, and any team not in Europe or the 5th round, have in effect had one - can see an incentive there. Newcastle are having 18 days between games. La Liga only paused for 14 days. Official winter breaks will be pointless. Prem clubs will only jet off around the world to play "friendlies" anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Official winter breaks will be pointless. Prem clubs will only jet off around the world to play "friendlies" anyway And nobody knows which two weeks are going to be our winter. They could shut down for January and then it could freeze and snow all February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 And nobody knows which two weeks are going to be our winter. They could shut down for January and then it could freeze and snow all February. I think the idea is to give the players a break from the strenuous activity of playing and training at a high level for so long. However, whether the clubs would actually take a break is another matter! There has been some evidence that the number of injuries and the severity of the injuries are reduced by having a mid season break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 7000 West Ham fans at Blackburn presumably could 'give a sh it' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Quite. This is what they currently have for the Europa League place (after years of the FA Cup runners up getting in). You would have had relegated Wigan qualifying a few years back though - which I why I'm against it. Then again I'd bring back the Cup Winners' Cup anyway. This - and make it a knock out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Palace only need to beat Reading for a trip to Wembley. That would have definitely been us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 February, 2016 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2016 man united will be on telly tomorrow night for the 50th FA Cup game they are involved in....in a row.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Palace only need to beat Reading for a trip to Wembley. That would have definitely been us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 man united will be on telly tomorrow night for the 50th FA Cup game they are involved in....in a row.. Every FA Cup tie since 2005, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Could you have a rule where if both teams opted out of the replay, then it would go to extra time & penalties in the first game? It might be a bit strange to have some going to replays and some not, but apart from being a bit odd, would there be a problem with it? That way you might have Arsenal/Hull being decided on the day because both teams wouldn't want a replay, but Shrewsbury/Man Utd would go to a replay as one of the teams would want it (as examples). It would just mean that all-Premier ties, plus perhaps a few others, may end up as one off games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 21 February, 2016 Share Posted 21 February, 2016 Just get rid of the League Cup. This plus champ league place to winners as others have said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 22 February, 2016 Share Posted 22 February, 2016 man united will be on telly tomorrow night for the 50th FA Cup game they are involved in....in a row.. Gold or Dave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 February, 2016 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2016 Gold or Dave? BT. 48 of the previous 49 have been on Sky, BBC or BT. One other which was on setanta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 February, 2016 Share Posted 22 February, 2016 Official winter breaks will be pointless. Prem clubs will only jet off around the world to play "friendlies" anyway I suspect you would be right on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 February, 2016 Share Posted 22 February, 2016 BT. 48 of the previous 49 have been on Sky, BBC or BT. One other which was on setanta Surely ITV have shown a few - the BBC have only had the rights back for a couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 February, 2016 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2016 Surely ITV have shown a few - the BBC have only had the rights back for a couple of seasons. yeah, completely missed ITV from the post...and ESPN Jan 2005 - R3 W 2-0 vs Exeter - BBC Jan 2005 - R4 W 3-0 vs Middlesbrough - BBC Feb 2005 - R5 W 2-0 at Everton - BBC Mar 2005 - QF W 4-0 at Southampton - BBC Apr 2005 - SF W 4-1 vs Newcastle - BBC May 2005 - F L 0-0 (5-4P) vs Arsenal - BBC Jan 2006 - R3 D 0-0 at Burton - SKY Jan 2006 - REPLAY W 5-0 vs Burton - BBC Jan 2006 - R4 W 3-0 at Wolves - SKY Feb 2006 - R5 L 1-0 at Liverpool - BBC Jan 2007 - R3 W 2-1 vs Aston Villa - BBC Jan 2007 - R4 W 2-1 vs Portsmouth - BBC Feb 2007 - R5 D 1-1 vs Reading - BBC Feb 2007 - REPLAY W 3-2 at Reading - BBC Mar 2007 - QF D 2-2 at Middlesbrough - SKY Mar 2007 - REPLAY W 1-0 vs 'Boro - BBC Apr 2007 - SF W 4-1 vs Watford - BBC May 2007 - F L 1-0 vs Chelsea - BBC Jan 2008 - R3 W 2-0 at Aston Villa - BBC Jan 2008 - R4 W 3-1 vs Tottenham - BBC Feb 2008 - R5 W 4-0 vs Arsenal - BBC Mar 2008 - QF L 1-0 vs Portsmouth - SKY Jan 2009 - R3 W 3-0 at So'ton - SETANTA Jan 2009 - R4 W 2-1 vs Tottenham - ITV Feb 2009 - R5 W 4-1 at Derby - ITV Mar 2009 - QF W 4-0 at Fulham - ITV Apr 2009 - SF L 0-0 (4-2P) vs Everton - ITV Jan 2010 - R3 L 1-0 vs Leeds - ITV Jan 2011 - R3 W1-0 vs Liverpool - ITV Jan 2011 - R4 W 2-1 at Southampton - ITV Feb 2011 - R5 W 1-0 vs Crawley - ITV Mar 2011 - QF W 2-0 vs Arsenal - ITV Apr 2011 - SF L 1-0 vs Manchester City - ITV Jan 2012 - R3 W 3-2 at Manchester City - ITV Jan 2012 - R4 L 2-1 at Liverpool - ITV Jan 2013 - R3 D 2-2 at West Ham - ITV Jan 2013 - REPLAY W 1-0 vs West Ham - ITV Jan 2013 - R4 W 4-1 vs Fulham - ESPN Feb 2013 - R5 W 2-1 vs Reading - ESPN Mar 2013 - QF D 2-2 vs Chelsea - ITV Apr 2013 - REPLAY L 1-0 at Chelsea - ITV Jan 2014 - R3 L 2-1 vs Swansea - BT SPORT Jan 2015 - R3 W 2-1 at Yeovil - BT SPORT Jan 2015 - R4 D 0-0 at Cambridge - BBC Feb 2015 - REPLAY W 3-0 vs Cambridge - BT Feb 2015 - R5 W 3-1 at Preston - BBC Mar 2015 - QF L 2-1 vs Arsenal - BBC Jan 2016 - R3 W 1-0 vs Sheffield United - BT Jan 2016 - R4 W 3-1 vs Derby - BBC Feb 2016 - R5 at Shrewsbury BT SPORT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 26 May, 2016 Share Posted 26 May, 2016 Confirmed: As of next season there will be no replays beyond the last sixteen stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 26 May, 2016 Share Posted 26 May, 2016 Confirmed: As of next season there will be no replays beyond the last sixteen stage. Or as us oldsters know it, the 5th round. Sad but kind of inevitable really, but glad they've kept them for rounds 1-4 though, that's probably a decent compromise. I pretty much gave up on the FA Cup when they moved the SF's to Wembley. I probably see more League Cup football than FA Cup football on telly over the course of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 May, 2016 Share Posted 26 May, 2016 Confirmed: As of next season there will be no replays beyond the last sixteen stage. Sensible move, I agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 26 May, 2016 Share Posted 26 May, 2016 Or as us oldsters know it, the 5th round. Sad but kind of inevitable really, but glad they've kept them for rounds 1-4 though, that's probably a decent compromise. I pretty much gave up on the FA Cup when they moved the SF's to Wembley. I probably see more League Cup football than FA Cup football on telly over the course of a season. Slight correction having now read it .... no replays in the 6th round (last , there are still replays in Round 5 (last 16). There's been no replays in the semi's for some time so in fact they have only added in one extra round of non-replays ... I think my 5th round thing is probably better than their 6th round model! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 Why meddle with it? Leave it as it is apart from give a CL place to the winners. As least you would have another "champion" in the CL instead of a poor runner up (4th place). Agree with not playing the semis at Wembley too. Keep that for the final otherwise it loses its value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 Why meddle with it? Leave it as it is apart from give a CL place to the winners. As least you would have another "champion" in the CL instead of a poor runner up (4th place). Agree with not playing the semis at Wembley too. Keep that for the final otherwise it loses its value. I'm not sure. While I wouldn't agree with ousting replays completely, once you reach the quarter finals no-one really wants a replay, do they? Watched the re-run of the 1990 final and the idea that the actual final went to a replay now seems ridiculous. I had an idea that if both teams voted not to have a replay (regardless of round, in advance of the game), then there wouldn't be one! Regarding the Champions League spot, I fear the effect would instead just be to give one of the out of form big teams a lifeline. The fact that since 2009 there has been at least one typically CL-club in the final (and usually winning it) shows that they do still take the competition seriously, and how frustrating would it be if Chelsea managed to get back in the Champions League this season by winning the Cup? Most teams just want to win the cup for the moment itself, but for smaller clubs qualification for the Europa is also seen as an exciting prospect and potential to take the club forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 Why meddle with it? Leave it as it is apart from give a CL place to the winners. As least you would have another "champion" in the CL instead of a poor runner up (4th place). Agree with not playing the semis at Wembley too. Keep that for the final otherwise it loses its value. It was to do with the FA geting some more money to help pay for the rebuilding. I don't like it either. The whole corporate seat business is part of the same plan. There may be more seats in the new stadium but 17.000 of these are not available to us 'ordinary' fans because they need the VIP punters to pay for it. The new stadium does have 2618 toilets though whereas the old one was just one big toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2016 glad replays are going to a degree. about time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 1 round of no replays seems fair, wouldn't have agreed to it had it been more, the 3rd or 4th round money away to a big team is a godsend to non league or league 2 clubs which shouldn't be taken away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 (edited) The reason the four champions league places are allocated to the league is because this is the best way of maintaining our coefficient in the competition ( calculated over the last 5 seasons and we have not done to well lately) it is only the top three countries who get 4 champions league places ( three group and one qualifying) if we allocate one to the FACup there is a danger of reducing the coefficient which would then in turn lead to only three places being allocated to us As each place brings in approx 50m euros on average I cannot really see the FA gambling with our current 4 CL places one of which is now in danger anyway as we have slipped behind Spain and Germany over recent seasons with Italy now very close to taking 3rd place http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/ We used to lead this coefficient league some ten years ago but Spain and Germany now out perform us regularly look at th is year in particular with two Spanish teams in the CL final and one winning the Europa cup too See above link Edited 27 May, 2016 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 Confirmed: As of next season there will be no replays beyond the last sixteen stage. Number of FA Cup quarter finals which have required replays... 15/16 - 1 14/15 - 2 13/14 - 0 12/13 - 2 11/12 - 1 10/11 - 0 09/10 - 1 08/09 - 0 07/08 - 0 Its not going to make a difference to many teams each season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 I thought still replays for 5th round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 glad replays are going to a degree. about time About time? Why? About time the PL went down to 16 so we could have a break in January as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2016 About time? Why? About time the PL went down to 16 so we could have a break in January as well you are correct, we should still have semi final and final FA Cup replays IMO, a replay as a tad unfair, one team can get longer on their own ground (extra time) to win a game before penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 I would make the League Cup U21 only (even the final) but the winner gets a place in next season's EL. Would provide some decent motivation for clubs to develop their youth systems. FA Cup - Scrap 'Cup weekends' as they're just boring for everyone who's not still involved. Just rearrange League games for midweek. - CL place for the winner - Scrap replays - Scrap extra time, straight to pens. Worked well in the JPT. - 1 semi at Old Trafford, the other at the Emirates. Use common sense when deciding which is which, i.e. if 2 Northern teams get drawn against each other, they play at OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 About time? Why? About time the PL went down to 16 so we could have a break in January as well No, no no! Why on earth would you want a winter break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 About time? Why? About time the PL went down to 16 so we could have a break in January as well This. Clubs need to be freed up to be able to play in Premier League mini-tournaments in partner cities in Malaysia and the UAE. Putting in a six week break from January is perfect timing for this. Sh it-canning replays, the league cup and the bottom four teams can't happen soon enough if we're going to see any of the progress us fans really want. I mean, Saints still haven't got a Korean snackfood brand sponsoring them. We're getting left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 May, 2016 Share Posted 27 May, 2016 I'm sure some of the big clubs would jet off on tours of SE Asia or the USA but that would be their choice and would give others a competitive advantage by having a proper break. Most likely clubs like Saints would do some fair weather training, somewhere like Dubai or the Canaries. For the sake of playing Devil's advocate; supposing you were in a position of power at one of the big clubs, hovering around 3rd-5th and chasing CL football. If your competitors were having a break, would you really want to be flying your squad halfway to play in exhibition matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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