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lets all be honest, it has lost so much of what it used to be about, so good news that changes could be made...

 

looking at making it a midweek competition

maybe seeding sides (dont like that one)

No replays

No extra time in replays if they remain (never got why extra time was allowed in a replay)

Champions league spot to the FA cup winners at the expense of 4th place

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/12158957/FA-Cup-could-become-midweek-competition-with-no-replays.html

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Most of that seems to diminish the competition's status and profile still further. Banishing it to the Wildernesses of mid week, minimising extra time and eliminating replays-it's all suggests it is a pain in the neck they'd rather do without if they could get away with it...

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I wouldn't mess with the FA Cup too much if it were up to me, certainly that small sides that earn a replay at home against a big team are rewarded financially which can help keep them afloat. If anything, it's the League Cup that needs reworking.

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Champions league spot to the FA cup winners at the expense of 4th place

 

 

This I think is the single thing that would make all clubs take it seriously. Also it would blow the league open a bit more, with no teams then really able to promise champions league football every year.

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Just get rid of the League Cup.

This is a far better solution. The FA Cup has a proud history and I don't want it diluted to suit the big clubs.

 

Saturday games give it status and replays earn vital money for small clubs.

 

Leave it alone.

 

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I wouldn't mess with the FA Cup too much if it were up to me, certainly that small sides that earn a replay at home against a big team are rewarded financially which can help keep them afloat. If anything, it's the League Cup that needs reworking.

 

This is a very good point actually. I wouldn't be against making the League Cup football league only...however, if you give a Champions League spot to the winners you pretty much guarantee you'll never see anyone outside the top 6 win it again.

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I wouldn't mess with the FA Cup too much if it were up to me, certainly that small sides that earn a replay at home against a big team are rewarded financially which can help keep them afloat. If anything, it's the League Cup that needs reworking.

 

Agree. Its the Colchester v Man U games and the like which are unique and make it interesting. Just ditch the League Cup and keep the FA Cup as it is.

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Being looked at.

lets all be honest, it has lost so much of what it used to be about, so good news that changes could be made...

 

looking at making it a midweek competition

maybe seeding sides (dont like that one)

No replays

No extra time in replays if they remain (never got why extra time was allowed in a replay)

Champions league spot to the FA cup winners at the expense of 4th place

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/12158957/FA-Cup-could-become-midweek-competition-with-no-replays.html

 

I think the only change which needs to be made is the final one. Limiting the Champions League qualification to 3 places & offering the 4th place to the Cup winners ought to focus attention for larger sides (particularly those flailing in the league like Chelsea are this year). There's also an argument that the Cup winners have actually won something unlike the 2nd, 3rd & 4th place "champions" currently. Hell, I'd go all in and give the 3rd place spot to the League Cup winners to boost that competition too!

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Being looked at.

lets all be honest, it has lost so much of what it used to be about, so good news that changes could be made...

 

looking at making it a midweek competition

maybe seeding sides (dont like that one)

No replays

No extra time in replays if they remain (never got why extra time was allowed in a replay)

Champions league spot to the FA cup winners at the expense of 4th place

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/12158957/FA-Cup-could-become-midweek-competition-with-no-replays.html

It only needs the last one of those...

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Here's what I'd do:

 

- Scrap the League Cup

- 4th Place PL team plays FA Cup Winner in Champions League play off, week after FA cup final. Loser gets Europa League. Play the match at Wembley

- Scrap replays but keep extra time

- Take the semi finals back to neutral venues that aren't Wembley. There's at least 6 or 7 potential venues

 

This way you incentivise winning, create additional money spinner to offset lack of Wembley semi finals and would create additional pressure for top clubs to compete, especially like Chelsea/Man Utd this year, who are going to miss out on Champions League

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Premier League clubs might treat it with the respect which it deserves if they didn't have mid week league games before or after FA cup weekends meaning squad rotation often kicks in.

 

Seems redicolous to me that in the dark dank winter months with Cup matches as well there are several mid week league matches. however come the spring when most clubs are out of the cups there is only one match a week.

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Fck all wrong with it and why does every one want to ditch the league cup. Hate blank weeks so would be loads without replays and scrapped the League Cup. Do you all feel for the poor fatigued souls who play footbal for a living?

 

Oh and PL are considering giving money to clubs to progress in Europa League as fear of losing 4th CL spot.

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Fck all wrong with it and why does every one want to ditch the league cup. Hate blank weeks so would be loads without replays and scrapped the League Cup. Do you all feel for the poor fatigued souls who play footbal for a living?

 

Oh and PL are considering giving money to clubs to progress in Europa League as fear of losing 4th CL spot.

Agree.

 

No idea how Saints fans or Saints as a club benefit from getting rid of the League Cup. I like to understand from people on here what is in it for us.

 

The "fatigue" thing is bulls hit - the minute a winter break and more free weeks turn up then the biggest clubs clubs will be off to China/Australia/Qatar to play exhibition matches before you can say 10million camels.

 

And England ain't going to win the world cup and the Premier League couldn't give two sh its if we did.

 

I like Saints playing as many matches as they can and I'd like us to win a cup.

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View on the proposals :

 

 

looking at making it a midweek competition - no 3round Saturday is one of the best days fixtures to look forward to, especially for smaller clubs (even allowing for that 'saturday' to be 3rd round weekend now)

 

maybe seeding sides (dont like that one) - outrageous, might as well give up if they do that

 

No replays - totally diasgree, its a great incentive to smaller clubs to get them back to our place, or a lucrative away tie (look at Exeter this season).

 

No extra time in replays if they remain (never got why extra time was allowed in a replay) - don't see why not personally, extra time is part of Cup folklore

 

Champions league spot to the FA cup winners at the expense of 4th place - indifferent to that to be honest, and what happens when we inevitably reduce to three places for automatic qualification ? Will the 'vested interests' at the heart of this accept only two guarenteed places for two of the big clubs ?

 

Agree with lickierambert that the semi-finals should go back to neutral venues other than Wembley.

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I wouldn't mess with the FA Cup too much if it were up to me, certainly that small sides that earn a replay at home against a big team are rewarded financially which can help keep them afloat. If anything, it's the League Cup that needs reworking.

 

The big clubs hate it and the small clubs love it. It's called the FA Cup because every club in the country takes part in it. Otherwise they might as well call it the Big Knob's Cup.

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Being looked at.

lets all be honest, it has lost so much of what it used to be about, so good news that changes could be made...

 

looking at making it a midweek competition

maybe seeding sides (dont like that one)

No replays

No extra time in replays if they remain (never got why extra time was allowed in a replay)

Champions league spot to the FA cup winners at the expense of 4th place

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/12158957/FA-Cup-could-become-midweek-competition-with-no-replays.html

 

All terrible ideas, it's bad enough now that you can't still have 5 replays and pitches are made of grass.

 

Midweek makes it completely irrelevant.

Seeding removes the thing that makes it interesting, the completely random draw. Not to mention that it's been that random draw format since about 1872.

No replays will stitch up lower league clubs who get drawn at home to a big club.

Extra time gives tied matches an extra period to resolve themselves on the field before going to penalties.

CL spot for winning an essentially about to be made irrelevant competition is ridiculous.

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Here's what I'd do:

 

- Scrap the League Cup

- 4th Place PL team plays FA Cup Winner in Champions League play off, week after FA cup final. Loser gets Europa League. Play the match at Wembley

- Scrap replays but keep extra time

- Take the semi finals back to neutral venues that aren't Wembley. There's at least 6 or 7 potential venues

 

This way you incentivise winning, create additional money spinner to offset lack of Wembley semi finals and would create additional pressure for top clubs to compete, especially like Chelsea/Man Utd this year, who are going to miss out on Champions League

 

Especially this.

 

I always felt having semi-finals at Wembley diminished the final itself. With improved grounds nowadays there are plenty of neutral venues to choose from all around the country.

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Especially this.

 

I always felt having semi-finals at Wembley diminished the final itself. With improved grounds nowadays there are plenty of neutral venues to choose from all around the country.

 

There are, but none of them are going to pay for Wembley.

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If they want the FA Cup to matter, they need to do the following:

 

1. Winner gets in CL

2. All games on a Saturday at 3pm apart from the semi-finals which are Saturday and then Sunday

3. No other games the weekend the FA Cup is played

4. FA Cup games on free to air TV

 

Done.

If all the games are at 3pm on Saturday then none of them will be on British TV, free-to-air or otherwise.

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Agree.

 

No idea how Saints fans or Saints as a club benefit from getting rid of the League Cup. I like to understand from people on here what is in it for us.

 

 

For me its that the lustre of the cups has faded - so having just one of them would make the remaining cup more special - unique even.

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Being looked at.

lets all be honest, it has lost so much of what it used to be about, so good news that changes could be made...

 

looking at making it a midweek competition

maybe seeding sides (dont like that one)

No replays

No extra time in replays if they remain (never got why extra time was allowed in a replay)

Champions league spot to the FA cup winners at the expense of 4th place

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/12158957/FA-Cup-could-become-midweek-competition-with-no-replays.html

 

Isn't your point contradictory? "... What it used to be about ..." refers to respecting the tradition and knowing the history. Making the dramatic changes you mention would further undermine the tradition.

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Most of that seems to diminish the competition's status and profile still further. Banishing it to the Wildernesses of mid week, minimising extra time and eliminating replays-it's all suggests it is a pain in the neck they'd rather do without if they could get away with it...

I concur. It was best when the replays just kept going until somebody won. It'll never happen again but reducing the games further just makes it the same as all the other cup competitions doesn't it?

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Here's what I'd do:

 

- Scrap the League Cup

- 4th Place PL team plays FA Cup Winner in Champions League play off, week after FA cup final. Loser gets Europa League. Play the match at Wembley

- Scrap replays but keep extra time

- Take the semi finals back to neutral venues that aren't Wembley. There's at least 6 or 7 potential venues

 

This way you incentivise winning, create additional money spinner to offset lack of Wembley semi finals and would create additional pressure for top clubs to compete, especially like Chelsea/Man Utd this year, who are going to miss out on Champions League

 

I'm with you.

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I'm conflicted on this. Sort of still have an old-fashioned "romance of the Cup" streak in my DNA, but am also noticing I care about it less and less. I also want Saints in as many competitions as possible in the hope of winning silverware. I still cherish the JPT win.

 

So, some random thoughts:

 

1. Merge the English and Scottish League Cups from round 4 or 5.

2. In the 3rd round of the FA Cup, Premier League teams should always play away to any lower league opposition they are drawn against (in all other circumstances, the team drawn first out of the hat plays at home)

3. Replays in the third round, but decided on the day in all subsequent rounds (prob after extra time, rather than straight to penalties)

4. Premier League teams can only name a maximum of two players in their squad who have not started a league match so far in the season.

5. Bonus points in the Premier League for the winners and also possibly the runners-up/semi-finalists. Say +4 for the winner, +2 for runner-up and +1 for semi-finalists.

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Personally, I'd keep everything as it is except for make the semi-final at another neutral venue/ground.

 

Don't give me this tired bullsh*t, foreign players in our league seem to cope fine when it comes to national tournaments, the FA Cup gives a chance of visiting grounds you usually might not, and I couldn't care less about our national team.

The lower ranked teams beating the cup giants, The luck of the draw adds a special thrill to the Cup competition, and can also mean huge paydays for the smaller clubs in gate receipts and TV money. The money from the Premier League clearly isn't trickling down and the gap is gettting wider if anything...

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I'm sorry but it's a relic of a bygone era . My 4 kids aren't particularly interested in it , certainly not like my generation was and they're mad keen football supporters 2 of which have season tickets and do half the aways each season , so they are football fans . They range from 27 to 15 and none of their mates are particularly interested in it either . They may watch it, but finals don't stir the emotions like they did for the 40+ fan . Look at Wigan , that should have been up there with our win , Sunderlands , Ipswich , but their scorer isn't revered like Bobby , Roger Osborne or Ian Porterfireld . When 4th place is better than winning it , whilst the play off final is more important, it's never going to return to all its former glory , despite what us old farts want . The only chance it's got is if the winner goes stright into the champions league ( not qualifying rounds ) & the Premier league will never agree to that .

 

I take no pleasure in it & im not trying to wind people up . I'm glad I was about to see the tail end of its great days , but the Premier league has killed it stone dead . Yes , it's a good day out but for neutrals it's pretty boring . Even the giant killings are boring now , beating a premiership second 11 isn't quite the same as Ronnie Radord , Dickie Guy ect ect

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I'm sorry but it's a relic of a bygone era . My 4 kids aren't particularly interested in it , certainly not like my generation was and they're mad keen football supporters 2 of which have season tickets and do half the aways each season , so they are football fans . They range from 27 to 15 and none of their mates are particularly interested in it either . They may watch it, but finals don't stir the emotions like they did for the 40+ fan . Look at Wigan , that should have been up there with our win , Sunderlands , Ipswich , but their scorer isn't revered like Bobby , Roger Osborne or Ian Porterfireld . When 4th place is better than winning it , whilst the play off final is more important, it's never going to return to all its former glory , despite what us old farts want . The only chance it's got is if the winner goes stright into the champions league ( not qualifying rounds ) & the Premier league will never agree to that .

 

I take no pleasure in it & im not trying to wind people up . I'm glad I was about to see the tail end of its great days , but the Premier league has killed it stone dead . Yes , it's a good day out but for neutrals it's pretty boring . Even the giant killings are boring now , beating a premiership second 11 isn't quite the same as Ronnie Radord , Dickie Guy ect ect

No doubt this is true but the city would still go nuts I'd we got to the final and it remains a more likely and achievable moment of joy than finishing fourth (which is a strange delayed gratification in itself anyway).

 

No doubt there is further changes to be imposed on the competition but I'd still like to see both cups maintained.

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And easy to view differently when in PL. Sure Bradford fans don't view their day out at Chelsea as something they had to endure whilst concentrating on L2

 

Of course it doesn't have same magic of yesteryear but do people want Emerdale and Coronation St in it's place?

 

Let's all campaign for a winter break and an 18 team league cos all this football you can chose to watch or not is so draining.

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I would make the league cup done and dusted before xmas. I guess it is for most teams but it would be a significant competition out of the way

 

I would also look at the fixtures for the cup in that the 3rd round as it is usually sandwiched between a midweek premier league game either side, which results in teams having an excuse to almost change their entire starting 11.

 

I would keep replays but do away with extra time (seems unfair that 1 team will get longer at their ground to find a result)

do away with the semi-final(s) at Wembley.

and make the winner of the cup obtain a CL spot at the expense of 4th place. Unless that winner is already in the top 3, then the CL spot goes back to league placings (4th place). Much like how the EL qualification is granted

 

 

but the 3rd round draw is still an important day in the calendar IMO

 

doing nothing will lead to more apathy towards the competition, IMO

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I would make the league cup done and dusted before xmas. I guess it is for most teams but it would be a significant competition out of the way

 

I would also look at the fixtures for the cup in that the 3rd round as it is usually sandwiched between a midweek premier league game either side, which results in teams having an excuse to almost change their entire starting 11.

 

I would keep replays but do away with extra time (seems unfair that 1 team will get longer at their ground to find a result)

do away with the semi-final(s) at Wembley.

and make the winner of the cup obtain a CL spot at the expense of 4th place. Unless that winner is already in the top 3, then the CL spot goes back to league placings (4th place). Much like how the EL qualification is granted

 

 

but the 3rd round draw is still an important day in the calendar IMO

 

doing nothing will lead to more apathy towards the competition, IMO

Of course there's no guarantee that we shall continue to have 4th spot as a CL place forever.

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Lets just pull English clubs out of Europe and get the FA to offer this prize money for the cup

 

Champions-League-Prize-money.jpg

 

:lol:

 

The issue is clubs are more interested in money than winning stuff. The fans, I would suggest, are of the total opposite view and would rather win something than sit around basking in the glow of some extra cash for finishing higher up the league or playing some European group rounds. Personally I'd rather see saints win a cup finally at Wembley over anything else really but that's just me.

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I concur. It was best when the replays just kept going until somebody won. It'll never happen again but reducing the games further just makes it the same as all the other cup competitions doesn't it?

 

the introduction of penalties was a dreadful idea. It just made it possible for teams to progress without actually having to try winning. And how many times did ties really go to a second replay? Every change made to the FA Cup has diminished it.

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As a radical suggestion, why not make January FA Cup month, with rounds 3 to 5 being the only games played by Premier League teams in the month. That will really put the focus on the cup while still allowing replays. The big teams will also get a sort of winter break with only 3 games to play (as long as they win their tie first time round)

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Agree about replays and pens

 

Another sickening death blow was having semis at Wembley. Killed any aura and awe surrounding reaching the final.

 

The rot set in though when the old Empire Stadium Wembley cut its capacity from the magical 100,000 to, I think, 88,000 by adding more dreaded seats.

Now, it was just a large stadium, not a fairytale place to play.

 

The new Wembley, while impressive in some ways, is soulless.

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Leave the FA Cup alone. Replays are a real bonus for lower and non-league teams against higher opposition and they offer a bit of spice to the competition. The League Cup could be restricted to the Football League to the exclusion of the Premiership with the winners entering the Europa League.

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The draw is seeded. The winner gets a place in the Champions League. Which club out of Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea have requested this then?

 

To give the FA Cup some more INTEREST then I'd

1/ Yeah sure - give the winner a place in the CL

2/ No replays. No extra time. 90 mins then penalties. Goes against tradition but you know you are thru or out. No mucking about. Small club wants a pay day? Win the pen shoot-out to stay in the competition. If it goes to pens - then instead of a coin-flip - one player from each team is given the ball in the centre circle. They both have to kick it towards the penalty spot at one end. The one who gets closest gets to pick whether go 1st or 2nd and which end the pens are at.

3/ The away team is always guaranteed 25% of the tickets. Get some atmosphere going.

 

Anything but seeding. The day that happens is the day the FA Cup really does die.

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Surprised so many say scrap replays. This might benefit the few clubs at the top of the football pyramid, but not the rest. PL and its desire for a few clubs to do well in CL has become far too consuming and what's worse is that the FA bow down to them.

 

FA decides who gets CL places, and I would love it if the four (presuming we keep 4) went to winners of PL, runner up, FA cup & League Cup winners. PL would be better off rather than having a clique year in year out occupying the rich table of CL (of course, this year is a bit different but not the norm).

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Surprised so many say scrap replays. This might benefit the few clubs at the top of the football pyramid, but not the rest. PL and its desire for a few clubs to do well in CL has become far too consuming and what's worse is that the FA bow down to them.

 

FA decides who gets CL places, and I would love it if the four (presuming we keep 4) went to winners of PL, runner up, FA cup & League Cup winners. PL would be better off rather than having a clique year in year out occupying the rich table of CL (of course, this year is a bit different but not the norm).

 

Didn't realise they had control of this - if so, surely this would be a perfect way to poke Scudamore in the eye for the times they undermine the FA. Even though it would be amusing to see what you've suggested, at the very least have top 3 and 1 for FA Cup. Suddenly the FA Cup would be THE competition to win!

 

I'm guessing the reason the FA don't do that is because the Premier League ultimately hold all the cards and would find a way to split off from the football league completely or something along those lines...

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