Clattenburg does it again

[Singapore Saint]

Made himself the centre of attention once again at the Etihad. Gave Spurs a penalty that never was. Saints and Man City fans should jointly petition the FA for him NEVER to referee another game again, let alone a Premiership game!

[70's Mike]

Mark "its all about me" Clattenburg

[beatlesaint]

Mark "its all about me" Clattenburg

 

Yep, posturing, self important little **** !

[adrian lord]

Sort of wimp that would have been bullied at school, not so much due to his stature, but because of his smart-arse, attention seeking conduct.

[Pamplemousse]

If I recall correctly he's the only Premier League referee to have his own agent

[Toadhall Saint]

If I recall correctly he's the only Premier League referee to have his own agent

 

Says it all really

[whelk]

If I recall correctly he's the only Premier League referee to have his own agent

 

Lucrative hair product deal?

[Batman]

At least now he will be talked about in the wider media now he has made this cock up

[stevegrant]

At least now he will be talked about in the wider media now he has made this cock up

No more than usual, I wouldn't have thought. Referees make stupid decisions all the time.

[ringwood]

A decision he made on a guess at best , there could be no 100% as it was hidden from view, still his agent will be pleased his name will fill the back pages

[benjii]

Is he on that Index?

 

Buy, buy, buy!

[scotty]

I've just now seen that incident. Utterly ridiculous decision.

[rooney]

Lucrative hair product deal?

I reckon it could be a wig. Anybody seen him coming out of WigsRus lately?

[scotty]

I reckon it could be a wig. Anybody seen him coming out of WigsRus lately?

 

...Oh, I wondered about your username

[DT]

I reckon it could be a wig. Anybody seen him coming out of WigsRus lately?

 

quite well known, to be honest...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/may/05/mark-clattenburg-premier-league-referee-hair

[Special K]

I don't think he's any worse than any other ref, tbh. They all seem a bit crap.

[Leicestersaint]

I don't think he's any worse than any other ref, tbh. They all seem a bit crap.

 

Clattenberg is particularly bad - but not quite as bad as Mr Kevin Friend - he's a total shocker.

[Patrick Bateman]

I don't think he's any worse than any other ref, tbh. They all seem a bit crap.

 

I would agree with this. BUT, a genuine question; are they worse, or is the game just so much faster (with so many silly non-contact rules) that it's easier to make a mistake that when analysed at a very slow speed from many angles, everyone can agree is wrong?

[david in sweden]

the refereeing "establishment " will protect him (again) with all manner of excuses....

 

..we all make mistakes once in a while..

...he wasn't in a clear position to see....

...he's a top class ref. and it'd be wrong to punish him because of one mistake.....blah, blah, blah:rolleyes:

 

never mind it was a key top of the table match......s**t happens.....it all equals out over a season....yeah, yeah ...but not when it's a six pointer - it doesn't.

 

bring on the camera replays....it doesn't take that long to review a decision .....

 

If Man City fail to win the title by a couple of points , they'll know who to blame .....

[um pahars]

I would agree with this. BUT, a genuine question; are they worse, or is the game just so much faster (with so many silly non-contact rules) that it's easier to make a mistake that when analysed at a very slow speed from many angles, everyone can agree is wrong?

 

I dont think they are any worse than those when I first started watching in the 70s:

 

Plus Side

much fitter

more aware of how the game is being played through re runs & number of matches they can watch/review

The set up for match officials is much better

held to account more so should up their gamr

ptofessionalism should mean less distractions

 

Down sides

more pressure

play acting & gamesmanship means it's more of a challenge

refs hounded more by players, mgrs, fans, press

every decision micro analysed

replays and different camera angles expose errors for all to see

an atmosphere where blame needs apportioned somewhere

media looking for a story

silly Fifa/UEFA/FA dictats

over complication of rules/laws

 

Refs have tried to up their game but most of the down sides are beyond their control and modern football problems

[Wes Tender]

the refereeing "establishment " will protect him (again) with all manner of excuses....

 

..we all make mistakes once in a while..

...he wasn't in a clear position to see....

...he's a top class ref. and it'd be wrong to punish him because of one mistake.....blah, blah, blah:rolleyes:

 

never mind it was a key top of the table match......s**t happens.....it all equals out over a season....yeah, yeah ...but not when it's a six pointer - it doesn't.

 

bring on the camera replays....it doesn't take that long to review a decision .....

 

If Man City fail to win the title by a couple of points , they'll know who to blame .....

 

If Crap n' Berk wasn't in a clear position to see, why did he award the penalty?

[buctootim]

are they worse, or is the game just so much faster (with so many silly non-contact rules) that it's easier to make a mistake that when analysed at a very slow speed from many angles, everyone can agree is wrong?

 

This. We watch incidents dozens of times in slow motion from different angles and still cant agree if Wanyama should get sent off - but somehow Clattenburg is an idiot incompetent. .

[SW5 SAINT]

Don't refs ever get dropped from top matches if they keep making howlers?

[Ken Tone]

Don't refs ever get dropped from top matches if they keep making howlers?

 

Yes but to quote the commentators, Clattenburg is "highly regarded" .... Just not by us fans!

[Whitey Grandad]

Don't refs ever get dropped from top matches if they keep making howlers?

 

They would have to make a howler first, not just give a decision that a bunch of opinionated saddos on an obscure football forum didn't agree with.

 

No, I haven't seen the match yet so I won't comment on any decisions that may or may not have been made over this past weekend.

[Batman]

They would have to make a howler first, not just give a decision that a bunch of opinionated saddos on an obscure football forum didn't agree with.

 

No, I haven't seen the match yet so I won't comment on any decisions that may or may not have been made over this past weekend.

 

there have been plenty of terrible decisions. Weirdly, you appear to be the ONLY one here not to see them

[sussexsaint]

In retrospect he was right about Lallana being a cock wombling tosspot

[Gemmel]

Tin hat at the ready..... Oh and maybe worth adding that i hate spurs..... and clattenburg.

 

For me it's a penalty.

 

Arms in unnatural position and prevents the cross. The fact he turned his back is irrelvant, based on where his ams were. Had he not raised his arms, the cross would have completed.

 

His protest was that the ball hit his chest - Of which he is obviously lying, but he didnt once raise, ball to hand etc. etc.

 

I know that the rest of the world doesn't think it was, but .... thats football.

[jawillwill]

Tin hat at the ready..... Oh and maybe worth adding that i hate spurs..... and clattenburg.

 

For me it's a penalty.

 

Arms in unnatural position and prevents the cross. The fact he turned his back is irrelvant, based on where his ams were. Had he not raised his arms, the cross would have completed.

 

His protest was that the ball hit his chest - Of which he is obviously lying, but he didnt once raise, ball to hand etc. etc.

 

I know that the rest of the world doesn't think it was, but .... thats football.

 

Yes his arm is in an unnatural position and he stoppen the cross. But the ball didn't touch his arm , it hit his back.

[davefoggy]

For a penalty to be awarded it has to be deemed "deliberate" handball but the fact is, it never even hit his hand!

[Wes Tender]

Here is what the refereeing review panel say on Team Talk :-

 

Tottenham penalty v Manchester City: Of all the contentious penalties given for handballs, the one Tottenham got on Sunday is right up there with the dodgiest of the lot. Nobody on the panel could even say for certain whether the ball hit Raheem Sterling’s arm, but even if it did, none of us could understand what convinced Mark Clattenburg to point to the spot. It was one of the more bizarre decisions we’ve seen in a long time. Verdict: Incorrect decision

 

In my opinion, looking at the replays, Clattenburg didn't even have a clear view of it, so how could he have arrived at such a decision anyway? It is suggestive of him either being influenced by the Spurs players, or just being generally incompetent. The way that Sterling turned away from the oncoming ball, it really couldn't even be judged as him adopting an unnatural posture. The decision was utterly bizarre and he should be required to explain his thinking, so that players will know in future how to avoid giving away penalties when he is refereeing them.

[simo]

For a penalty to be awarded it has to be deemed "deliberate" handball but the fact is, it never even hit his hand!

 

Has to actually hit the hand or arm too doesn't it?

[spyinthesky]

I have a lot of sympathy for Refs (although this is not always the case when Saints are on the receiving end) but have to say Spurs have benefitted from 2 dodgy pens ie v Man City (A) and Leicester (H)

[Whitey Grandad]

there have been plenty of terrible decisions. Weirdly, you appear to be the ONLY one here not to see them

 

Or the ONLY one who bothers to tell it like it really is. There may be hundreds of others who don't give a toss.

[Whitey Grandad]

Has to actually hit the hand or arm too doesn't it?

 

Of course.

 

I've not seen it, was it given for handball?

[simo]

Of course.

 

I've not seen it, was it given for handball?

 

Not sure I'm just doing what the ref did and am guessing! ?

[musesaint]

Clattenberg is particularly bad - but not quite as bad as Mr Kevin Friend - he's a total shocker.

 

100% agree.

 

Much as I hate Clattenburg, Kevin Friend is by some distance the worst referee for any Saints game. He is blatantly bias...especially when he is refereeing a Scousehampton game.

[GarrettIvo]

Tin hat at the ready..... Oh and maybe worth adding that i hate spurs..... and clattenburg.

 

For me it's a penalty.

 

Arms in unnatural position and prevents the cross. The fact he turned his back is irrelvant, based on where his ams were. Had he not raised his arms, the cross would have completed.

 

His protest was that the ball hit his chest - Of which he is obviously lying, but he didnt once raise, ball to hand etc. etc.

 

I know that the rest of the world doesn't think it was, but .... thats football.

 

Unnatural positions of the arms or not, the ball hit Sterling in the back. And there is no rule about deliberate backball.

[Whitey Grandad]

Not sure I'm just doing what the ref did and am guessing! ?

 

I was only asking for clarification. Did Clattenburg indicate that he had given it for handball, or might there have been some other reason?

[GarrettIvo]

I was only asking for clarification. Did Clattenburg indicate that he had given it for handball, or might there have been some other reason?

 

It was for handball yes. There was no contact between Sterling and the Spurs player. They were seven or eight feet apart. And it definitely wasn't for anything else happening in the box.

[Whitey Grandad]

It was for handball yes. There was no contact between Sterling and the Spurs player. They were seven or eight feet apart. And it definitely wasn't for anything else happening in the box.

 

Ok, thanks

 

I'm on holiday at the moment four hours ahead of you and the football coverage is very limited here. I'll look forward to seeing all the fuss and bother when I get home in a week or so but by then this will all be old history.

 

I expect there'll be something else to discuss by then.

[scotty]

Ok, thanks

 

I'm on holiday at the moment four hours ahead of you and the football coverage is very limited here. I'll look forward to seeing all the fuss and bother when I get home in a week or so but by then this will all be old history.

 

I expect there'll be something else to discuss by then.

 

If you're on holiday, stop wasting time on here

[John Boy Saint]

Blimey Jonathan Moss has to eclipse anything Battenburg does surely, just watching our game v Swansea highlights the ineptitude of the guy.

Versus Arsenal on Boxing Day 1st half he was doing awfully well as their 12th man, but at full time both sides had plenty to mither about.

[The9]

Tin hat at the ready..... Oh and maybe worth adding that i hate spurs..... and clattenburg.

 

For me it's a penalty.

 

Arms in unnatural position and prevents the cross. The fact he turned his back is irrelvant, based on where his ams were. Had he not raised his arms, the cross would have completed.

 

His protest was that the ball hit his chest - Of which he is obviously lying, but he didnt once raise, ball to hand etc. etc.

 

I know that the rest of the world doesn't think it was, but .... thats football.

 

I'd love to know how you expect to jump high and sideways without raising your arms. It hit him on the back, then the arm, which wasn't even extended.

 

Compare that to the Newcastle one just after Xmas when the guy saw the ball going over his head and jumped waving his leading arm (which was behind him) in the general area of where a header on target from behind him would have gone, and you can see the difference.

 

Clattenburg's decision was absolutely appalling judgement.

[Special K]

I would agree with this. BUT, a genuine question; are they worse, or is the game just so much faster (with so many silly non-contact rules) that it's easier to make a mistake that when analysed at a very slow speed from many angles, everyone can agree is wrong?

 

As others have said, the ability to slow the action down and see it from numerous camera angles, makes the armchair fan able to think they can do better than refs (including me when I say they are all a "little bit crap"!). I guess ref's have always had a tough job, but whilst they are not doing it much better than before, we are able to see every mistake they make in glorious HD slo mo action.

[Whitey Grandad]

As others have said, the ability to slow the action down and see it from numerous camera angles, makes the armchair fan able to think they can do better than refs (including me when I say they are all a "little bit crap"!). I guess ref's have always had a tough job, but whilst they are not doing it much better than before, we are able to see every mistake they make in glorious HD slo mo action.

 

But not in 3D. Slomo doesn't clarify the matter, it distorts the physics of the movement.

[The9]

The over-analysis doesn't help, but there is nothing you can do to help a completely hapless decision like Clattenburg's on the weekend.

 

All season we've had stuff about "unnatural positions" and yet Sterling gets penalised for jumping to block in a completely natural position having turned his back, with his arm all but hidden, and the ball deflecting off his back basically onto his armpit.

 

Not to mention that it was right on the corner of the area which whilst correctly given as in the box and absolutely accurate, still seems wildly disproportionate compared to the likely outcome of the cross.

 

FWIW Jon Moss's lack of penalty against Yoshida for yet another clumsy collision with a striker in the box was easily explained away by the camera behind him, which showed that from his angle it looked like the striker fell into Yoshida, even though it was Yoshida clipping the striker which caused them both to fall over, which was clear from the camera on the sidelines. His disallowing of the Pelle goal for foul on the keeper can be explained by the enduring phenomenon of refs being desperate to protect goalkeepers, for some reason.

Edited 16 February, 2016 by The9

[benjii]

It's an ego thing with Clattenberg. He referees the match 99% of the time better than any other of the current referees IMO but he can't resist making "big" decisions for the attention.

 

Jon Moss is the complete opposite. He referees most of the match badly, getting loads of minor decisions wrong and issuing cards seemingly at random. The three worst challenges in our match at the weekend were by Swansea players yet they got no yellow cards. What he doesn't do is give "big" decisions unless he is absolutely clear on them (whereas Clattenberg wants to show what a visionary he is).

 

On the Yoshida incident: it was clumsy and could have been given however Moss should have given us a free kick for the foul on Fonte immediately before so it would have been a travesty if they had got the pen.

[The9]

It's an ego thing with Clattenberg. He referees the match 99% of the time better than any other of the current referees IMO but he can't resist making "big" decisions for the attention.

 

Jon Moss is the complete opposite. He referees most of the match badly, getting loads of minor decisions wrong and issuing cards seemingly at random. The three worst challenges in our match at the weekend were by Swansea players yet they got no yellow cards. What he doesn't do is give "big" decisions unless he is absolutely clear on them (whereas Clattenberg wants to show what a visionary he is).

 

On the Yoshida incident: it was clumsy and could have been given however Moss should have given us a free kick for the foul on Fonte immediately before so it would have been a travesty if they had got the pen.

 

I think you're probably right on all of that, though Moss had already let the foul on Fonte go.

[Dig Dig]

But not in 3D. Slomo doesn't clarify the matter, it distorts the physics of the movement.

 

Only in your head.