Fan The Flames Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 But do you really think Saga will score, though? Who knows, who knows if the next player we bring in will score or whether DMG scores again. But I believe going on his ability that an up for it Saga should do well in this division given the support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Saga over any loan fees for Lita/Harewood (or any of the other pie-in-the-sky names we're being linked with) as far as I'm concerned. On form he's fantastically prolific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 It should be up to the manager as to whether he wants him as part of the squad. At a proper football Club the Manager would make a decision and the Chairman would try and find a way to pay this £150,000. Whether through selling/loaning someone else, using the proceeds from the Cup game or even heaven forbid dipping into his own pocket (as I'm sure Leon would). I get the impression Lowe would rather cut his nose off to spite his face, then try and keep Saga. He's put all his eggs in one basket and is not turning back. I fully expect him to be loaned out to another CCC side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 the question is who would want to take him off our hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 But do you really think Saga will score, though? We thought enough of him to sign him did n't we - as far as I see it is like buying an international striker for £150 000. Its a gamble but the way I see it we are hardly bursting the onion bag. DM is starting to get stick from the crowd - there looking for a scape goat and he is in the firing line and needs someone to share the burden. SAGA gives us an option. We need to be more adventurous at home - stick with the total football away from home (system seams to work there) and go 3 - 5 - 2 at home. We are blest with wingers so lets use them but give them a couple of men to hit up front. Will Saga score? I don't know but I would rather get relegated knowing we gave it a good go than go down with out a fight. That has never been our way so why just give in now and accept it? Also i was wondering what Marian was doing - is he fit/playing. How good would it be to get him back! I just want the clowns at the top to show a bit of commitment and desire - we all know the score but if they were honest and did n't treat the paying custom with such contempt they may find the fan base were more willing to help! By the way if every season ticket holder chucked in a tenner we would be half way there to paying his fee's - how about Mr Lowe. John B can put in a bit as well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 But do you really think Saga will score, though? I think given the right service, Saga could score a dozen or so goals during the remainder of the season. I see nobody else in our squad to come close to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 or what if we used that money on another goal scorer. I dont dislike Saga but do believe he too highly rated by some.he hardly set the world alight, he hasnt at his foreign club and only seemed keen when he was playing for a contract.We dont need people unledss they are hungry to be successful. Come on nick, that is just plain ridiculous. How many players proven to score more goals than Saga can you list that would come here on loan (with no fee) or on a free transfer and then play for ca. £6K per week ? The lengths some people will go to in order to be seen to toe the Party line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I believe his recent saints record is 1 in 1. That would average 46 over a whole season. He is therefore world class. his record is 13 goals in 43 games for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Come on nick, that is just plain ridiculous. How many players proven to score more goals than Saga can you list that would come here on loan (with no fee) or on a free transfer and then play for ca. £6K per week ? The lengths some people will go to in order to be seen to toe the Party line... Saga does not provide what we are missing.he would not be able to play 1 up front like DMG is either.We need a big centre forward or someone with a bit of strength for DMG to play off of. Saga will score a few goals but not enough to keep us up.the better option IMO would have been to have kept Stern.That is not to be and so we are saddled with Saga who has not made enough of an impression to be signed at another club. If it is only!!! 6k a week I cant see why he was not played more when he was. here before. perhaps his fee wehern he joined was linked to appearances and so he might be near a certain mark where the cost of him playing became more.it also might mean that his appearance money is a major problem for us. it is easy to stand back and criticise but unless we have ther full facts it is guesswork.As for toeing the party line, i find it amusing coming from someone who spends the whole time trying to gain favour by slagging the club at every instance to curry favour with the anti club brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Saga does not provide what we are missing.he would not be able to play 1 up front like DMG is either.We need a big centre forward or someone with a bit of strength for DMG to play off of. Saga will score a few goals but not enough to keep us up.the better option IMO would have been to have kept Stern.That is not to be and so we are saddled with Saga who has not made enough of an impression to be signed at another club. If it is only!!! 6k a week I cant see why he was not played more when he was. here before. perhaps his fee wehern he joined was linked to appearances and so he might be near a certain mark where the cost of him playing became more.it also might mean that his appearance money is a major problem for us. it is easy to stand back and criticise but unless we have ther full facts it is guesswork.As for toeing the party line, i find it amusing coming from someone who spends the whole time trying to gain favour by slagging the club at every instance to curry favour with the anti club brigade I am going on the assumption that the Echo's figure in the article is correct here. You are now moving the goal posts by saying suddenly its a lot more than that. Oh, and I dont need to curry favour with the anti-LOWE brigade. The rest of that final paragraph of course is deliberately misleading hysteria. I really thought your unequivocal dim-witted Luvvie blind support was wavering a few weeks ago. Now I can see it is back with a venegeance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I am going on the assumption that the Echo's figure in the article is correct here. You are now moving the goal posts by saying suddenly its a lot more than that. Oh, and I dont need to curry favour with the anti-LOWE brigade. The rest of that final paragraph of course is deliberately misleading hysteria. I really thought your unequivocal dim-witted Luvvie blind support was wavering a few weeks ago. Now I can see it is back with a venegeance...When have in the past have you agreed with the Echos figures? Only when it suits of course. If Saga is only on 6k a week period, then your thinking is totally correct but as we both probably concede there will be add ons that make the figure much more than that. Do you think that Saga playing up front as a lone striker will score enough to keep us up? i dont but others may believe so,on the evidence i have seen he is not the man. As for RL , it seems you cannot go a post without mentioning him, i am critical of him not removing Jan, I was very disappointed when i saw Davies going to Forest. If LC buys MW's shares and takes over i wont lose any sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 When have in the past have you agreed with the Echos figures? Only when it suits of course. I dont recall having made a comment on any set of figures published in the Echo before today, and I bet neither do you recall me doing so. So what you are twittering on about here, I'll never know. Your arguments get weaker by the day....... Do you think that Saga playing up front as a lone striker will score enough to keep us up? i dont but others may believe so,on the evidence i have seen he is not the man. He'll score more than McGoldrick. And it is well-overdue to dump the one-up-front formation, so the whole premise of your comment is wrong. However, I know that JP is Lowe's man and this tactic is his, and because you are a devoted Lowe fan you cant see past that tactic...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I dont recall having made a comment on any set of figures published in the Echo before today, and I bet neither do you recall me doing so. So what you are twittering on about here, I'll never know. Your arguments get weaker by the day....... He'll score more than McGoldrick. And it is well-overdue to dump the one-up-front formation, so the whole premise of your comment is wrong. However, I know that JP is Lowe's man and this tactic is his, and because you are a devoted Lowe fan you cant see past that tactic......You have made many comments on things stated in the Echo including figures regarding our losses. If we dumped the one up front DMG would score more as well.The Reading game was a prime example where he played ofrf of Patterson and had his best game for some weeks. Your stupid last sentence is not worth answering, what a load of complete .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 his record is 13 goals in 43 games for Saints. Last season Saga made 14 starts and 16 sub appearances. If you take the average length of those sub appearances as 15 minutes, he basically played 17 full games last season, scoring 4 goals. This season DMG has made 25 League starts and 1 sub appearance, which is basically 25 full games. In those games he has scored 5 goals, and one of those was a penalty. So from open play: Saga scored every 383 minutes last season DMG has scored every 450 minutes this season, or every 563 minutes from open play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Last season Saga made 14 starts and 16 sub appearances. If you take the average length of those sub appearances as 15 minutes, he basically played 17 full games last season, scoring 4 goals. This season DMG has made 25 League starts and 1 sub appearance, which is basically 25 full games. In those games he has scored 5 goals, and one of those was a penalty. So from open play: Saga scored every 383 minutes last season DMG has scored every 450 minutes this season, or every 563 minutes from open play.either way we're stuffed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 You have made many comments on things stated in the Echo including figures regarding our losses. If we dumped the one up front DMG would score more as well.The Reading game was a prime example where he played ofrf of Patterson and had his best game for some weeks. Your stupid last sentence is not worth answering, what a load of complete .... You are the one who keeps saying we have no money. So we cannot afford another loan player. If, by whatever means, we can afford loan players, I would suggest we bolster our defence. Saga is already our player, he will cost little to play for the rest of the season and he's better than McGoldrick It's a f**king no-brainer, and it frankly disgusts me there is any debate over this, but then the length the Luvvies will go to to wave the flag of their Messiahs cause, never fails to amaze me. FFS, there were people on here trying to justify the "international clearance" issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Doesn't tell us much when 10 came in a short number of games. He was treated pretty badly by Burley and not really given a long run as main striker since his time in good form. Certainly not the type of faith put in McGoldrick. I know who I'd rather see the chances falling to. 1000% Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 (edited) Last season Saga made 14 starts and 16 sub appearances. If you take the average length of those sub appearances as 15 minutes, he basically played 17 full games last season, scoring 4 goals. This season DMG has made 25 League starts and 1 sub appearance, which is basically 25 full games. In those games he has scored 5 goals, and one of those was a penalty. So from open play: Saga scored every 383 minutes last season DMG has scored every 450 minutes this season, or every 563 minutes from open play. Saga scored THREE goals not four last season. Palace, Barnsley and Sheff Utd. A goal every 510 minutes then. Edited 6 January, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Having said all that, I have a funny feeling DMG is about to go on a mini scoring run. 3 goals to come this month, you'll see. what makes you say that? I hope you are right. A striker scoring goals from nowhere is what we need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Sometimes you have to gamble. Bit like, Robertson, Pulis, Smith,Gasmi, Forecast....Now that was real gambling on something you have not seen or have much hope of winning with. Cork was known due to his games at S****horpe in our league etc. Spiderman and Holmes the bet is still in the rotating wheel. Give Saga a proper run in the side not like the treatment he and a few other high earners received pre and early season. If memory serves me correctly the last time he actually had a proper run in the side he scored something like 10 goals in 12 games (including the hat-trick away at Wolves) ! Since then he has been buggered about by a succession of managers (GB, D&G, NP and now JP). It seems to me that given half a chance and a half decent partner up front he could still do the business ! In any case we HAVE to do something because sticking with todays setup is just not an option ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 (edited) Saga has been treated as badly as Skacel. Reading Skacel's demotivated comments in the Sky Sports article I'd be amazed if Saga performed to the best of his ability if recalled as the club will have driven him into the same state of mind. Mission accomplished Mr Lowe? Edited 6 January, 2009 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 The only i way i see us staying up is John returning & both him & Saga being kept until the end of the season. I reckon they'd make a pretty good partnership together & could score the goals to keep us up. Infact if i recall correctly the last time they started a league game together was Sheff Utd when John got 2 & Saga got 1? McGoaldrought will simply not score the goals required to keep us in this division, end of. Enough messing around, lets use the £500k from the United game to pay Saga & John til the end of the season & give ourselves atleast a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 I am not really sure what to make of Saga his 1st season when playing for a contract he was great will always love him for Wolves away what a day out that was he is our player and you cant see anybody coming in for him and we desperatly need somebody to score some goals so we have got to give him a go who knows it might be inspired and save us from relegation 1 thing is sure we are not scoring with the current front two of DMG and Patterson I say play 4 4 2 with DMG and Saga it sure as sh1t cant be any worse than we are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 The only i way i see us staying up is John returning & both him & Saga being kept until the end of the season. I reckon they'd make a pretty good partnership together & could score the goals to keep us up. Infact if i recall correctly the last time they started a league game together was Sheff Utd when John got 2 & Saga got 1? McGoaldrought will simply not score the goals required to keep us in this division, end of. Enough messing around, lets use the £500k from the United game to pay Saga & John til the end of the season & give ourselves atleast a chance. Sadly John is already Bristol City property effectively until the end of the season when his contract with us is up. Would love to see Saga played, as Adrian points out he also holds the ball up which might give our harrassed back 4 a bit more organisational time in games but don't think it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Sadly John is already Bristol City property effectively until the end of the season when his contract with us is up. Would love to see Saga played, as Adrian points out he also holds the ball up which might give our harrassed back 4 a bit more organisational time in games but don't think it will happen. God knows why we didn't atleast include recall clauses in the loan deals like Reading did with Pearce. In that case we need to keep Saga & get another decent striker on loan, preferably a big guy & who could play a littleish & large with Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Saga won't play again in Red And White. Unless it's for Sheffield Utd. Or Stoke. Or no-one wants to buy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 January, 2009 Share Posted 6 January, 2009 Saga scored THREE goals not four last season. Palace, Barnsley and Sheff Utd. A goal every 510 minutes then. He scored at Preston too although it was officially credited as an o.g. in much the same way that Dodd didn't score against Pompey. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9087 Anyway, splitting hairs. I don't care if Saga didn't score any goals last season, he's still better than McGoalkick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 If Saga doesn't play then Lowe/JP is saying that they are happy with the way things are and therefore saying that relegation is acceptable for the 'revolution'. Of course he should play but then of course, we should play with two forwards so I really would not be surprised if he doesn;t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 I do not think you will be seeing Saganowski in a Saints shirt this side of January 31st. He will only appear if no-one either from abroad or at home takes him on loan within the window. We will see if he appears at Barnsley as they cannot pull the 'papers did not appear in time' stunt a second time. At that point the 'naked lack of ambition and who cares about relegation just let me keep my shares' will be there for all to see. I really do dislike people taking my season ticket money off me and treating me like an idiot. I suppose it is worse for poor Jan with his alleged forwards firing blanks and having a player who might turn it around and save his job training but not being allowed to play for you. What way to run a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 I do not think you will be seeing Saganowski in a Saints shirt this side of January 31st. He will only appear if no-one either from abroad or at home takes him on loan within the window. We will see if he appears at Barnsley as they cannot pull the 'papers did not appear in time' stunt a second time. He will have developed transfer window flu/guts ache by the time the squad for Barnsley travel north!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 He will have developed transfer window flu/guts ache by the time the squad for Barnsley travel north!!!! There's a lot of it about, I fear! The club's medics must be mighty busy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Offer Alan Shearer a player/coaching role and pay him performance related pay plus Saints shares. He would get the place buzzing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 there is a bloody good business case to keep Saga. £150,000 / 10 home game / £20 a game = 750 more punters a game. Start winning we will **** that. Well, Lowe's business acumen has been well blown. Add to that his clear animosity to SFC and our success. Saga is another assett that he will waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 God knows why we didn't atleast include recall clauses in the loan deals like Reading did with Pearce. Because Lowe is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdownunder Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 We should be so lucky to have a player of Saga class, available to play the rest of the season for us Strait in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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