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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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Did it every become public knowledge why they were sacked?

 

Any whispers?

 

Dodd, Williams and Murty were popular with the lads and parents I knew at academy.

I know they were vocal which didn't sit well with the bosses.

Murty went to Norwich with Huckerby.

Last I heard Dodd/Williams were at Bournemou

 

 

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Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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Got to wonder about the U18s coaching setup.

 

Have lost 8 in a row which is dire in any situation and seem to concede a very high number of goals.

 

For such a well regarded Academy surely we can attract excellent youth coaches?! Almost seemed like Fleming just happened to be there when Limbrick left.

 

Anyone know how the U16s are doing in their league? Those results are hard to locate.

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ART

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We are in a dire situation where the Under 21's. the Under 18's are concerned. I don't know just how long before the Board. Les Reid do something. Those coaching are just not succeeding and we need to bring in coaches with a history of links to the club if we are to continue as one of the leading Academies. former Saints players, managers with good coaching reputations are there, just I feel we are penny pinching and don't want to offer top salaries to get the right people on board.

Nice that Saint Charlie's finally come around to seeing that my warnings 2 seasons ago actually meant something. You may recall you told us results of Under 21's etc mean nothing.

Badger

Badger

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We are in a dire situation where the Under 21's. the Under 18's are concerned. I don't know just how long before the Board. Les Reid do something. Those coaching are just not succeeding and we need to bring in coaches with a history of links to the club if we are to continue as one of the leading Academies. former Saints players, managers with good coaching reputations are there, just I feel we are penny pinching and don't want to offer top salaries to get the right people on board.

Nice that Saint Charlie's finally come around to seeing that my warnings 2 seasons ago actually meant something. You may recall you told us results of Under 21's etc mean nothing.

 

I don't know enough about the under 21's &18's to say if the situation is dire, but a couple of thoughts:

 

Is the situation due toi the coaches, or the recruitment, and that we're not finding the Shaw calibre of youngster ?

 

Why do good coaches need to have a link to the club ? Better that we get the right coasch than stick someone into the job because they have previous connections. Ideal if they do, and are good coaches, but the coaching skills are paramount I'd have thought. UNless you have someone in mind ?

 

The fact this is raised though, tends to show we've gone backwards in recent years. Probably because whenever we get a good set its lured to the FA or Fulham.

 

For whatever reason they left, it does seem to have been downhill since dodd & Wiiliams days.Leave it to those ITK to advise if this is connected.

Monk

Monk

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I don't know enough about the under 21's &18's to say if the situation is dire, but a couple of thoughts:

 

Is the situation due toi the coaches, or the recruitment, and that we're not finding the Shaw calibre of youngster ?

 

Why do good coaches need to have a link to the club ? Better that we get the right coasch than stick someone into the job because they have previous connections. Ideal if they do, and are good coaches, but the coaching skills are paramount I'd have thought. UNless you have someone in mind ?

 

The fact this is raised though, tends to show we've gone backwards in recent years. Probably because whenever we get a good set its lured to the FA or Fulham.

 

For whatever reason they left, it does seem to have been downhill since dodd & Wiiliams days.Leave it to those ITK to advise if this is connected.

 

Matt Crocker is still in the area and has good relationship with the club in a consultancy capacity.

Badger

Badger

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Matt Crocker is still in the area and has good relationship with the club in a consultancy capacity.

 

Where did he go ? Was it the FA ?

John B

John B

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That was my understanding to they clashed with Hunter over how things were done Les picked a side.

 

Where Hunter was probably in the right then

70's Mike

70's Mike

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I don't know enough about the under 21's &18's to say if the situation is dire, but a couple of thoughts:

 

Is the situation due toi the coaches, or the recruitment, and that we're not finding the Shaw calibre of youngster ?

 

Why do good coaches need to have a link to the club ? Better that we get the right coasch than stick someone into the job because they have previous connections. Ideal if they do, and are good coaches, but the coaching skills are paramount I'd have thought. UNless you have someone in mind ?

 

The fact this is raised though, tends to show we've gone backwards in recent years. Probably because whenever we get a good set its lured to the FA or Fulham.

 

For whatever reason they left, it does seem to have been downhill since dodd & Wiiliams days.Leave it to those ITK to advise if this is connected.

 

think we have some very good coaches on paper but at under 18/21 so do lots of other clubs, the best players, imo, develop where the coaches also show a passion for the game.

reports i hear are that there is to much theory and not enough practical work

david in sweden

david in sweden

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Heard a whisper long ago that they didn't get on with Hunter. Hunter, being Les Reeds' man won.

 

I could believe that. Aside from being a legend in his own right, Doddsy was never one to tow the line and spoke his mind openly in a few interviews I've seen.

 

For all his qualities, Martin Hunter does seem to demand " a type of respect " that some, perhaps in a younger generation can understand / accept.

georgeweahscousin

georgeweahscousin

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I wonder if Jason Dodd announcing over the phone to a bar full of Saints fans on the Isle of Wight that Rickie was off to Liverpool a couple of days before it happened had anything to do with it?

 

DISCLAIMER: This is second hand information, I wasn't there, but know a couple of people who were.

 

EDIT: It can't have. He was sacked before this happened.

Victor

Victor

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Chatterley one of the worst players ever to wear a Saints shirt.

 

 

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A somewhat harsh assessment given that he came to the club to help with the reserves, he and his family were dumped in a crap rented house by the club and he only made 7 league appearances. He later served the club well as a coach etc..

eelpie

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That was my understanding to they clashed with Hunter over how things were done Les picked a side.

 

Hindsight would suggest that Les picked the wrong side

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Hindsight would suggest that Les picked the wrong side

Would it? Neither of them have achieved anything of note since leaving us, Willo only recently getting a role at Forest and Dodd seemingly nothing anywhere.

norwaysaint

norwaysaint

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Dodd and Williams were surely only employed because they once played for the club. Seeing as the club had stated it wanted to bring in staff of the highest caliber, it always seemed fair enough that they got rid of the people who had mainly got their jobs through something akin to nepotism.

 

Obviously i I never saw them coach, but it would be quite a coincidence if the best available coaches happened to be two recently retired former saints players. I'd much rather the club search for the best options out there. If we're just appointing popular ex-players to important positions, let's get Beattie in as manager.

whizzpop

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Would it? Neither of them have achieved anything of note since leaving us, Willo only recently getting a role at Forest and Dodd seemingly nothing anywhere.

 

Dodds coaching at Gosport now

eelpie

eelpie

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Would it? Neither of them have achieved anything of note since leaving us, Willo only recently getting a role at Forest and Dodd seemingly nothing anywhere.

 

That proves nothing. The fact is that academy results were better when they were running it, and worse since Hunter took over. That doesn't prove anything but D&W must have been doing something right and their successors must be doing something not right now.

Andy Durman

Andy Durman

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I took over a Ladies team who lost the first 3 and were bottom. After 3 weeks of training we then won the next 7 matches and ended the season 5th.

 

At the same time I trained a men's team who won 2 from 14 and ended the season 3rd from bottom.

 

As a trainer you can improve a team, but if the players don't have the quality it will always be an uphill struggle.

 

Another good example is Formula One racing. You can be the best driver, but without the car you will win nothing.

 

Do we have bad coaches or a lack of quality? I think it's the latter.

Monk

Monk

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Come on Monk your ITK - you must know - spill the beans

 

I'm really not, no longer have a link to Saints with the exceptions of friends whose kids play in foundation phase and a few foundation coaches.

beatlesaint

beatlesaint

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I thought at the time there was a rumour, one here anyway, that they had behaved in a manner that was not in keeping with looking after a group of kids whilst playing in a tournament in Europe, ie - they got ****ed up and word got back to the club.....

 

But like i say that was on here I read that........

Bobbyboy

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The quality is definitely there , the coaching at the older groups is most definitely not , and the rumour that beatlesaint referred to untrue .

But what about the beagles? We need to know.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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I don't think anyone can really argue that the academy's results have improved since they've left.

 

How much of that is down to their influence is the big question.

 

I'm not arguing the point, but some of the better U18's that Dodd /Williams coached have moved up to the U21 side, and the new influx doesn't look to have settled yet.

 

U21s have had serious injury problems in several positions...as well as loans outs.... and have used half-a-dozen of the current U18 lads already this season.

krissyboy31

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I'm not arguing the point, but some of the better U18's that Dodd /Williams coached have moved up to the U21 side, and the new influx doesn't look to have settled yet.

 

U21s have had serious injury problems in several positions...as well as loans outs.... and have used half-a-dozen of the current U18 lads already this season.

Seems to be a deliberate strategy, playing school kids in the 16s, 16s in the 18s and several 18s in the 21s and the 21s not ready or close to the first team, out on loan.

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