After seeing the penalty awarded on TV / Replays, do you think the ball hit DMGs arm

[John B]

People on here have defended Paterson's lunge on the basis that his studs touched the ball before clattering into shin.

 

On the same basis, I reckon it was a pen because it looks to have touched McG's upper arm before touching his head.

 

In any case, any player who jumps at a lofted ball AND lifts his arm straight up AND turns his head away so he can't see it is a dope.

 

When coaching kids about making a wall, you always tell them to face up and try hard NOT to turn their backs on the ball when it comes in.

 

But why give a penalty if the decision was marginal

 

Would Man U have scored if the ball had not hit McGoldrick

[St Landrew]

Right at the top of the arm. Which meant a penalty.

[SaintRobbie]

Shoulder for me. But what a total pratt.

 

You're in a wall.

 

In the box.

 

You use your hands to protect your children.

 

And let the ball hit the big lump of useless fat sat on your neck.

 

That's all it can be for.

 

Spot on. Youthful inexperience reigns in this team.

[Leicestersaint]

The referee ruined the match - that's the view of five neutrals have spoken to separately.

 

It obviously wasn't a penalty, unless you were a paid employee of manchester united.

[Whitey Grandad]

Right at the top of the arm. Which meant a penalty.

er, I'm afraid it doesn't. The generally accepted part of the arm is from the fingertips to where a short-sleeved shirt would start. Anyway, it hit him on his back at the top corner of his shoulder. And it wasn't a free-kick in the first place, you can't just run across the front of somebody in the hope that you can trip over them and get a free-kick, unless you're Manchester United, that is.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

er, I'm afraid it doesn't. The generally accepted part of the arm is from the fingertips to where a short-sleeved shirt would start. Anyway, it hit him on his back at the top corner of his shoulder. And it wasn't a free-kick in the first place, you can't just run across the front of somebody in the hope that you can trip over them and get a free-kick, unless you're Manchester United, that is.

 

"The generally accepted part of the arm is from the fingertips to where a short-sleeved shirt would start. "

 

- Not sure about this. When I was playing, refs regularly gave handball decisions when a player dipped a shoulder and controlled the ball with his upper arm. And when going for headers if the ball hit your arm below the shoulder, handball was blown for.

[Whitey Grandad]

"The generally accepted part of the arm is from the fingertips to where a short-sleeved shirt would start. "

 

- Not sure about this. When I was playing, refs regularly gave handball decisions when a player dipped a shoulder and controlled the ball with his upper arm. And when going for headers if the ball hit your arm below the shoulder, handball was blown for.

I was paraphrasing Dermot Gallagher but that was some time ago. There are 'decisions of the international board' that keep re-defining interpretations. It used to be a case of the ball having to be 'propelled by the arm' which is normally quoted as 'ball to hand' or 'intent'. In any case, it didn't hit his arm, it hit his shoulder the other side of the ball-joint and certainly not where Riley was indicating.

[badgerx16]

Lancashire just plain muscled him off the ball

Arizona, that is the funniest thing I've read for a while; the idea of Ollie muscling anybody off the ball...lol !

[Window Cleaner]

Shoulder for me. But what a total pratt.

 

You're in a wall.

 

In the box.

 

You use your hands to protect your children.

 

And let the ball hit the big lump of useless fat sat on your neck.

 

That's all it can be for.

 

 

I have a DVD, freeze framed it, the ball hit the underside of his upper arm under the armpit. Deffo peno

[Thedelldays]

the fact people dispute on here after seeing it many times at slow mo....

 

no wonder the ref gave it..

[Whitey Grandad]

I have a DVD, freeze framed it, the ball hit the underside of his upper arm under the armpit. Deffo peno

Then it's not a penalty....

[Window Cleaner]

Then it's not a penalty....

 

Yes it is. Any part of the arm not in contact with the body constitutes a penalty.Deliberate, not deliberate it's a penalty in theory.

Reffed a game once, blew up for one, player said it wasn't and showed me

a big muddy stain on the upper arm of his shirt,sent him off for dissent as well cos he got trappy. I was right, referees council said I was when he appealed.

 

Don't know where this short sleeved shirt nonsense comes from really.

 

"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

 

"The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger.

"If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed."

[Leicestersaint]

It wasn't a penalty - the majority on here seem to have better eyesight than some of the others.

 

Mr Riley was - as usual - a hopeless referee who ruined the match.

 

He also seems to find his partial partisan decisions and general levels of incompetence quite amusing with his silly smug grin.

[Whitey Grandad]

Yes it is. Any part of the arm not in contact with the body constitutes a penalty.Deliberate, not deliberate it's a penalty in theory.

Reffed a game once, blew up for one, player said it wasn't and showed me

a big muddy stain on the upper arm of his shirt,sent him off for dissent as well cos he got trappy. I was right, referees council said I was when he appealed.

 

Don't know where this short sleeved shirt nonsense comes from really.

 

"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

 

"The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger.

 

"If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed."

It must be deliberate to be a penalty. The referee must take into account "movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)". Of course the decision of the referee is always right, even when it's wrong, and on appeal you will always be supported. I assume that you sent him off for his language and not just dissent? The upper arm at the junction with the shoulder is not normally considered for handball - the clue is in the name. In this case that we are discussing the ball does not touch any part of McGoldrick's arm, just the top corner of his back and his head. A big clue comes from the reaction of the players on both sides. An experienced ref told me once when I started that if you're not sure then just look at the reactions of the players.

[del boy]

Not sure it was a free kick anyway, but for all that there's only one persons vote that really matters - and he voted during the match