The Oscars

[aintforever]

12 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Well yes her reaction is what prompted his change in reaction. 

Not as if anyone going to or watching should be shocked that hosts are going to make jokes about celebrities present or not present.

Seemed a bit low though, to pick on a woman suffering from alopecia. Gervais has probably said worse at the Golden Globes but It just stuck me as being a bit too nasty. It couldn’t have been easy for Smith to sit there while the whole place laughed at his wife’s expense on national TV when he has probably had to deal with her tears.

[CB Fry]

51 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Na bollocks, sometimes people need to be slapped. I absolutely condone it.

Surely Will Smith deserved a slap from Chris Rock for smacking him in the face in the middle of performing in front of millions of people, then?

[whelk]

I want to know what Barry Shitpeas take on it is

[aintforever]

24 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Surely Will Smith deserved a slap from Chris Rock for smacking him in the face in the middle of performing in front of millions of people, then?

Na. He went too far with a joke, got slapped. Seems fair to me.

[CB Fry]

11 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Na. He went too far with a joke, got slapped. Seems fair to me.

Soneone walking over to a comedian and slapping him in face live on stage - something that hadn't happened in 70 odd years of oscars ceremonies and hundreds of  thousands of comedy roasts and jokes - is someone that has also "went too far", surely? 

Someone very aggressively and repeatedly bellowing "keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth" to a performing comedian is someone who has "went too far", surely? 

People that "went too far" deserve a slap, correct? Surely that sounds fair to you as well. 

 

[aintforever]

33 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Soneone walking over to a comedian and slapping him in face live on stage - something that hadn't happened in 70 odd years of oscars ceremonies and hundreds of  thousands of comedy roasts and jokes - is someone that has also "went too far", surely? 

Someone very aggressively and repeatedly bellowing "keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth" to a performing comedian is someone who has "went too far", surely? 

People that "went too far" deserve a slap, correct? Surely that sounds fair to you as well. 

 

No

[Mosin]

No way can any one condone Wills reaction, your basically saying its ok to lash of if your snkwflakes get hurt, ofc jot.. My kids get insulted weekly at school, ok to go slap all the kids? For aving a laugh.. Get a gril.. Dudes a di ck head always has been, he only got his oscar caused he has claimed oscars is racist every time he didnt win for the last 30 yaears... Hes terrible and isnt even worthy of an oscar, so so so many better actors around. 

 

Suit me perfectly if i never see him in a film or his horrid arrogant voice again.. Denzel Washington is 10 times the actor Will Smith is...  

 

Ian bill from eastenders is better.... 

 

Wanted to add, thanks for ruining alladin, its an insult to Robin Williams 

Edited 28 March, 2022 by Mosin

[skintsaint]

[AlexLaw76]

6 hours ago, aintforever said:

No

Would it have been too far if Will Smith was white, and/or Chris Rock had a cervix’

Edited 29 March, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Weston Super Saint]

42 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Would it have been too far if Will Smith was white, and/or Chris Rock had a cervix’

To be fair, I can see why aintclever usually just inhabits the fence and never gives an opinion!  When he does finally give one 

The kids went too far with their April fools joke, so they had to be slapped.  The missus just went too far with her joke about my hair, so she needed a good slapping.

Seems reasonable 🤷‍♀️

Edited 29 March, 2022 by Weston Super Saint

[egg]

8 hours ago, aintforever said:

Na. He went too far with a joke, got slapped. Seems fair to me.

It's not right to say that he deserved a slap, but it's surprising that he hasn't been slaughtered for publicly humiliating a woman about her appearance / health issue, and disappointing that he hasn't got enough about him to have apologised. In Smith's shoes I suspect many of us would have "had a word" with Rock, but not with a slap and a rant, in public. 

Edited 29 March, 2022 by egg

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, aintforever said:

No

Ha ha ha you fucking plank.

While you carry on with your false equivalence, your big butch hero has apologised for his behaviour.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

 

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Ha ha ha you fucking plank.

While you carry on with your false equivalence, your big butch hero has apologised for his behaviour.

 

 

This aged well 

 

9 hours ago, aintforever said:

Na bollocks, sometimes people need to be slapped. I absolutely condone it.

[Baird of the land]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

It's not right to say that he deserved a slap, but it's surprising that he hasn't been slaughtered for publicly humiliating a woman about her appearance / health issue, and disappointing that he hasn't got enough about him to have apologised. In Smith's shoes I suspect many of us would have "had a word" with Rock, but not with a slap and a rant, in public. 

Rock's got nothing to apologise for imo. The whole point of these roles is to make jokes about celebrities. 

[Plastic]

If my wife had alopecia, and some twat made a cheap baldy joke at her expense, I think I’d do the same. 
Not a fan of either Smith or Rock.

[egg]

8 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Rock's got nothing to apologise for imo. The whole point of these roles is to make jokes about celebrities. 

Can't agree with that. If she was bald cos of chemo would making a joke out of it be OK? How about if she'd lost an arm, an eye? He was well out of order. 

[aintforever]

15 minutes ago, Plastic said:

If my wife had alopecia, and some twat made a cheap baldy joke at her expense, I think I’d do the same. 
Not a fan of either Smith or Rock.

This. I have more respect for someone who stands up for their family than someone who takes the piss out of sick women.

[egg]

5 minutes ago, aintforever said:

This. I have more respect for someone who stands up for their family than someone who takes the piss out of sick women.

Time / place / method.

[sadoldgit]

He laughed at the joke himself at first. They have also had jokes made of their “open marriage” a few times recently which they both laughed off. Unlike cancer, you don’t die from this condition and she still looks stunning. It wasn’t as if he was making fun of her looking ugly. I get that piss taking can wear a bit thin but it doesn’t give you the right to match onto the stage on a prime time TV awards show, assault the host and then continue to swear at him from your seat. He and his wife could have shown their displeasure by getting up and walking out. Thing is, he was too busy laughing. It didn’t help that he didn’t apologise to Rock in his speech later. 

[CB Fry]

20 minutes ago, egg said:

Can't agree with that. If she was bald cos of chemo would making a joke out of it be OK? How about if she'd lost an arm, an eye? He was well out of order. 

But she wasn't and he didn't. Anyone can make up bullshit hypotheticals.

There's no evidence that Rock even knew she had Alopecia. The way some of you are going on you're making out that Jada was sat next to Smith in a wheelchair and a dressing gown with a drip on the go.

She is a pretty rich, powerful and famous person in her own right. And looked pretty striking in her dress worth thousands of dollars. In the power balance in that joke the two involved are pretty equal and the joke was a softball bit of joshing more than some pisstake of illness.

The only people mentioning the Alopecia thing are those who are trying to play down an actual undeniable physical assault, so I know where I stand.

 

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, aintforever said:

This. I have more respect for someone who stands up for their family than someone who takes the piss out of sick women.

Given your history of standing up for people when they are being taken the piss out of giving them a slap is the very last thing you'd do. 

[Whitey Grandad]

36 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Rock's got nothing to apologise for imo. The whole point of these roles is to make jokes about celebrities. 

That wasn’t a joke. It wasn’t funny and was a disgusting thing to say. It is never right to comment in public on anybody’s medical condition. Would it be right to make a joke about someone with cancer?

[CB Fry]

13 minutes ago, aintforever said:

This. I have more respect for someone who stands up for their family than someone who takes the piss out of sick women.

He wasn't standing up for his family you absolute plank.

No woman wants her husband sat next to her, after lamping some guy screaming "take my wife's name out of your fucking mouth". In front of a packed theatre and an global audience of millions.

That's possessive controlling behaviour of a fucking nut job.

You want to swoon, drool and hero worship over that behaviour be my guest. But it shows you to be even more thick than I thought you were.

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That wasn’t a joke. It wasn’t funny and was a disgusting thing to say. It is never right to comment in public on anybody’s medical condition. Would it be right to make a joke about someone with cancer?

Would it be right if Will Smith pulled a gun and shot Chris Rock in the face there and then?

We can make up hypotheticals of what didn't happen all day long.

[Plastic]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

No woman wants her husband sat next to her, after lamping some guy screaming "take my wife's name out of your fucking mouth". In front of a packed theatre and an global audience of millions.

Certainly can’t disagree with this. You would imagine she would have preferred to let it slide, despite Rock being a cunt. 
 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

But she wasn't and he didn't. Anyone can make up bullshit hypotheticals.

There's no evidence that Rock even knew she had Alopecia. The way some of you are going on you're making out that Jada was sat next to Smith in a wheelchair and a dressing gown with a drip on the go.

She is a pretty rich, powerful and famous person in her own right. And looked pretty striking in her dress worth thousands of dollars. In the power balance in that joke the two involved are pretty equal and the joke was a softball bit of joshing more than some pisstake of illness.

The only people mentioning the Alopecia thing are those who are trying to play down an actual undeniable physical assault, so I know where I stand.

 

However you cut it, the "joke" was about her appearance flowing from a health issue. Whatever that health issue is, focusing on her appearance as a consequence of it, is unacceptable. Sure, Smith's reaction was pathetic and unacceptable, but I can't agree with condoning Rock's part in it. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

However you cut it, the "joke" was about her appearance flowing from a health issue. Whatever that health issue is, focusing on her appearance as a consequence of it, is unacceptable. Sure, Smith's reaction was pathetic and unacceptable, but I can't agree with condoning Rock's part in it. 

Agreed.

[Turkish]

51 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

But she wasn't and he didn't. Anyone can make up bullshit hypotheticals.

There's no evidence that Rock even knew she had Alopecia. The way some of you are going on you're making out that Jada was sat next to Smith in a wheelchair and a dressing gown with a drip on the go.

She is a pretty rich, powerful and famous person in her own right. And looked pretty striking in her dress worth thousands of dollars. In the power balance in that joke the two involved are pretty equal and the joke was a softball bit of joshing more than some pisstake of illness.

The only people mentioning the Alopecia thing are those who are trying to play down an actual undeniable physical assault, so I know where I stand.

 

Yep, all this rambling on about "what if she had cancer" FFS, she didn't, it was a bit of pisstaking but as usual the outrage far outweighs what happened. 

[Lighthouse]

37 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yep, all this rambling on about "what if she had cancer" FFS, she didn't, it was a bit of pisstaking but as usual the outrage far outweighs what happened. 

Since you mention it, my mum was treated with chemo about ten years ago and lost all her hair. Both our family and her friends would make light of it from time to time, upsetting though it was, as a way of dealing with it. Would I want some gobsh*te taking the p*ss out of her on stage, obviously not, but the point is comedy is subjective. Many celebrities have dealt with much more serious issues than hair loss with grace and good humour, without resorting to violence.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Since you mention it, my mum was treated with chemo about ten years ago and lost all her hair. Both our family and her friends would make light of it from time to time, upsetting though it was, as a way of dealing with it. Would I want some gobsh*te taking the p*ss out of her on stage, obviously not, but the point is comedy is subjective. Many celebrities have dealt with much more serious issues than hair loss with grace and good humour, without resorting to violence.

Same thing with my mum. Am i offended by someone making a joke about Alopecia? No.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Yep, all this rambling on about "what if she had cancer" FFS, she didn't, it was a bit of pisstaking but as usual the outrage far outweighs what happened. 

You miss the point. It’s not a case of “what if she had cancer” at all. It’s the fact that it is never acceptable to make a joke about somebody’s medical condition nor their physical appearance. 

[Whitey Grandad]

38 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Since you mention it, my mum was treated with chemo about ten years ago and lost all her hair. Both our family and her friends would make light of it from time to time, upsetting though it was, as a way of dealing with it. Would I want some gobsh*te taking the p*ss out of her on stage, obviously not, but the point is comedy is subjective. Many celebrities have dealt with much more serious issues than hair loss with grace and good humour, without resorting to violence.

The joke was wrong. The violence was wrong.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You miss the point. It’s not a case of “what if she had cancer” at all. It’s the fact that it is never acceptable to make a joke about somebody’s medical condition nor their physical appearance. 

Is chanting "you ate all the pies" not acceptable at a chubby player?

[egg]

8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The joke was wrong. The violence was wrong.

Yep, it's not complicated. 

[egg]

47 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Since you mention it, my mum was treated with chemo about ten years ago and lost all her hair. Both our family and her friends would make light of it from time to time, upsetting though it was, as a way of dealing with it. Would I want some gobsh*te taking the p*ss out of her on stage, obviously not, but the point is comedy is subjective. Many celebrities have dealt with much more serious issues than hair loss with grace and good humour, without resorting to violence.

Taking the piss out of our friends and family is a a different ball game to it being done by some random person on live TV in front of millions. 

Rock made an error of judgment imo but it didn't justify Smith acting like a dick. As has been alluded to up there somewhere, ^^^^, Jada will have suffered more embarrassment by Smith's behavior than Rock's joke. 

 

 

[Lighthouse]

52 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The joke was wrong. The violence was wrong.

But who makes this list of approved comedy? What can you joke about? A bald bloke, a tall bloke, a fat bloke, a short bloke, a ginger bloke, a guy with a leg missing, Rob Beckett’s big teeth, Bill Bailey’s ‘troll’ appearance, what’s allowed and what isn’t? Jackass spent years building stunts and sketches built around Wee-Man’s dwarfism and Preston’s obesity.

[CB Fry]

52 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You miss the point. It’s not a case of “what if she had cancer” at all. It’s the fact that it is never acceptable to make a joke about somebody’s medical condition nor their physical appearance. 

Maybe tell this guy that "its not a case of "what if she had cancer" at all:

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

That wasn’t a joke. It wasn’t funny and was a disgusting thing to say. It is never right to comment in public on anybody’s medical condition. Would it be right to make a joke about someone with cancer?

 

Its pretty easy based on some of the moralising going on here to actually play the card that equating a mild hair loss condition with a lethal, devastating disease like cancer is pretty much as offensive as anything Chris Rock did last night.

An awful lot of misguided high horses being mounted here.

Worth repeating that no one knows whether Rock even knew about her condition at the time. It's absolutely sure as shit that no one on this thread did this time two days ago. Plenty of black women have been rocking that kind of look as a choice. Its certainly not the first time that look has been seen at the Oscars.

But keep climbing on your high horse lads. 

[AlexLaw76]

The excuse old Will tried to use that Love made him violent....err, not one many abused people want to hear

Edited 29 March, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

He wasn't standing up for his family you absolute plank.

No woman wants her husband sat next to her, after lamping some guy screaming "take my wife's name out of your fucking mouth". In front of a packed theatre and an global audience of millions.

That's possessive controlling behaviour of a fucking nut job.

You want to swoon, drool and hero worship over that behaviour be my guest. But it shows you to be even more thick than I thought you were.

Calm down sweetheart, no need to get all angry and throw insults around. Wether you agree with the slap or not, or wether his mrs would have preferred him to act differently or not, you can’t deny that he was sicking up for his wife in his own way.

A friend of mine suffered from Alopecia after he was made redundant and it was a difficult thing for him to go through, his confidence took a right knock and he is quite a thick skinned guy. I would imagine that for a woman it is 10 times worse, particularly if they are high-profile. There were plenty of people Rock could have taken the piss out of without picking on a woman suffering from hair loss, I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for him getting wacked.

[Whitey Grandad]

There is a history of Rock having digs at Will Smith. This reaction was a long time coming.

[CB Fry]

37 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Calm down sweetheart, no need to get all angry and throw insults around. Wether you agree with the slap or not, or wether his mrs would have preferred him to act differently or not, you can’t deny that he was sicking up for his wife in his own way.

A friend of mine suffered from Alopecia after he was made redundant and it was a difficult thing for him to go through, his confidence took a right knock and he is quite a thick skinned guy. I would imagine that for a woman it is 10 times worse, particularly if they are high-profile. There were plenty of people Rock could have taken the piss out of without picking on a woman suffering from hair loss, I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for him getting wacked.

Isn't it funny that only thing you object to is the only thing that is complete conjecture: Chris Rock knew about the Alopecia and was making a joke about it.

The events and information in front of your face you're all fine with.

And you know someone with Alopecia, congratulations. But you don't know anyone who has been in a coercive/controlling relationship. Of course not. But they guy bellowing abuse and dishing out right handers is fine by you as long as the men are doing what they thinks is right "in his own way". Right you are. Carry on, lads.

Anyway, some people think what Smith did was "unacceptable", "unreasonable", "out of line" and "wrong" and that "violence in all forms is poisonous and destructive" But you don't agree with whoever said that. Clear.

You keep swooning over the big boy dishing out slaps, though. Maybe you could be that guy one day ❤❤❤❤

[egg]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Maybe tell this guy that "its not a case of "what if she had cancer" at all:

 

Its pretty easy based on some of the moralising going on here to actually play the card that equating a mild hair loss condition with a lethal, devastating disease like cancer is pretty much as offensive as anything Chris Rock did last night.

An awful lot of misguided high horses being mounted here.

Worth repeating that no one knows whether Rock even knew about her condition at the time. It's absolutely sure as shit that no one on this thread did this time two days ago. Plenty of black women have been rocking that kind of look as a choice. Its certainly not the first time that look has been seen at the Oscars.

But keep climbing on your high horse lads. 

Nobody is trying to "equate" illnesses. It's a simple point that Rock picked on her appearance unnecessarily, and I find it hard to see how anyone can't see that Rock was out of line. His "joke" caused offence to Jada, and pointing that out isn't "moralising", it's just highlighting what is obvious to some.

You think Rock didn't do wrong, others disagree. I think it sensible we leave it there. 

What is undisputable though is that Smith should have laughed it off, and any issues dealt with sensibly (by his wife if she was that bothered about it) out of the public eye. The slap was ridiculous, and the rant embarrassing.  Whether what we saw and heard were relationship related dynamics related being played out, or Smith related, I don't know but he's done himself no favours. Ironically his wife's career probably hasn't been helped by his misguided patriarchal behaviour either.  

[trousers]

Keep your hair on people, FFS

[sadoldgit]

Without condoning Rock’s quip, I do wonder if we would be talking about it if Smith hadn’t reacted the way he did. Gervais ripped into the celebs far worse at the Golden Globes. It has been a thing for a while now to send up the Celebs, most of whom are self obsessed and could do with having their egos punctured a bit. Where do you draw the line? As Dame Edna once famously said to Jeffrey Archer, “If you can’t laugh at yourself you might be missing the joke of the century” As has been said, most people probably didn’t know (or care) that she had alopecia before. Now half the planet does. Nice work Will.

[OldNick]

So if you are so angry that you walk onto the stage in front of millions, you decide to slap the bloke with a flat hand and not a punch....right 

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Without condoning Rock’s quip, I do wonder if we would be talking about it if Smith hadn’t reacted the way he did. Gervais ripped into the celebs far worse at the Golden Globes. It has been a thing for a while now to send up the Celebs, most of whom are self obsessed and could do with having their egos punctured a bit. Where do you draw the line? As Dame Edna once famously said to Jeffrey Archer, “If you can’t laugh at yourself you might be missing the joke of the century” As has been said, most people probably didn’t know (or care) that she had alopecia before. Now half the planet does. Nice work Will.

Of course we wouldn't be. It was a lame joke which would hardly have got mentioned otherwise.

[Whitey Grandad]

43 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Without condoning Rock’s quip, I do wonder if we would be talking about it if Smith hadn’t reacted the way he did. Gervais ripped into the celebs far worse at the Golden Globes. It has been a thing for a while now to send up the Celebs, most of whom are self obsessed and could do with having their egos punctured a bit. Where do you draw the line? As Dame Edna once famously said to Jeffrey Archer, “If you can’t laugh at yourself you might be missing the joke of the century” As has been said, most people probably didn’t know (or care) that she had alopecia before. Now half the planet does. Nice work Will.

Without Will's reaction what was the point of the reference to GI Joe II ?

[Baird of the land]

43 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Without Will's reaction what was the point of the reference to GI Joe II ?

The same point as the other jokes which didn't result in people running on stage to attack him.

[Whitey Grandad]

21 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

The same point as the other jokes which didn't result in people running on stage to attack him.

It wan't the same point. How many other so-called jokes tried to make fun of someone's appearance?

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, egg said:

His "joke" caused offence to Jada, and pointing that out isn't "moralising", it's just highlighting what is obvious to some.

It caused her to give a bit of side-eye/eye roll. No one actually knows how much offence was actually taken beyond that inflated for Smith to justify his actions.

We know one thing: Jada took significantly less offence than the hysterics here that are trying make out Chris Rock was laughing in the face of a cancer victim.

So it is not that "obvious" and yes it is "moralising".

Anyway this is not something I give that much of a shit about so I will stop.  

Enjoyed the responses from some on here though. Just 👌