eddie Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 (edited) just interested, setting aside A) the fact saints income comes from many different places, and B) that arguably we should be already getting more for what we pay now anyway, and C) 10 quid per fan is hardly going to make a big difference : would saintsweb folk be willing for ticket prices to go up (OK over a bit of time) if transfers definitely would come in and we'd buy players of a similar/better quality than now? I'm only asking because season ticket/matchday ticket is where it concretely hits the wallet, so a good indication of how much people are willing to walk the walk and not just talk the talk Edited 11 January, 2016 by eddie edited Q a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 Is this a Tech College project study? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 11 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 11 January, 2016 not at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 No because any ticket money they receive is greatly dwarfed by other revenue streams and I know they would be taking the ******. Would gladly pay more once we had proved we had a better team and could keep players. But as that is unrealistic it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 Having a laugh ain't ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 No - the ridiculously amount of money each club get from SKY should cover that - fans pay to much already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 Prices should drop but at least 30% not go up. Fans produce the atmosphere that have made the PL what it is. if the grounds were empty Sky would not want to pay big bucks as the product would not be as good. Anyway if we did pay more we would be told it was going to be ploughed in and spent but doubt it would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 11 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 11 January, 2016 broken promises aside from the board, lets assume the trasnfers definitely came Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 Makes no impact, lets say the club made an extra £1m from gates....it's not going to pay for any player to come here...! The club gets enough from other revenue streams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 11 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 11 January, 2016 I'm not an idiot. 30000 x even 10 quid increase is going to be minimal. I already said that in the OP. my point is would you pay more at the gates if signings were guaranteed. not that the extra money would be the amount you have to spend on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 (edited) I'm not an idiot. 30000 x even 10 quid increase is going to be minimal. I already said that in the OP. my point is would you pay more at the gates if signings were guaranteed. not that the extra money would be the amount you have to spend on players. Well no 30000x£10x19=5.7 million £ if I'm not mistaken, enough to pay 1 quality play over 100K a week so it's not really "minimal" especially as it would allow you to increase your salarial mass even under FFP. Trouble is of your 10 extra £1.90 goes to the government, they'd be pleased no doubt. Edited 11 January, 2016 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 As most of the whingeing on here comes from the posters that frequent the "Match Thread" I would suggest you are asking the wrong people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 Regardless of the fact that the 'product' is wildly overpriced, what amounts to effectively a 33.3% increase in that already inflated price for what Id percieve as a minimal impact from a transfer fund point of view isnt going to go down very well with us the customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 If it was hypothecated and its subsequent use properly accounted for, possibly yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 No. We are ripped off home and away already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 If anything, we should be entitled to a refund at the moment with the utter dross on the pitch and the lack of signings off it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 No because any ticket money they receive is greatly dwarfed by other revenue streams and I know they would be taking the ******. Would gladly pay more once we had proved we had a better team and could keep players. But as that is unrealistic it won't happen. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 January, 2016 Share Posted 11 January, 2016 As most of the whingeing on here comes from the posters that frequent the "Match Thread" I would suggest you are asking the wrong people.Lol, nice one Letsbe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 Happily pay up to £85 if we'd get assurances that we'll get Jonjo Shelvey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 Well no 30000x£10x19=5.7 million £ if I'm not mistaken, enough to pay 1 quality play over 100K a week so it's not really "minimal" especially as it would allow you to increase your salarial mass even under FFP. Trouble is of your 10 extra £1.90 goes to the government, they'd be pleased no doubt. You think there would be no drop off in attendances at £50 a game? If my season ticket goes up this year i will definitely post a moan on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 If anything, we should be entitled to a refund at the moment with the utter dross on the pitch and the lack of signings off it Ain't that the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 I'm annoyed as it is how much I pay to go to games. If it goes up again I'm seriously considering jacking it in. Especially after what looks like it will be a poor season, terrible atmosphere and the fact the club will get far more tv money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 So another £200 on my season ticket making it around £900. Nah don't think so. In fact I'm at the limit of being able to afford it as it is, once it reaches the £800 mark will probably signal the end of my season ticket. As it is my 2 lads no longer go as they've been priced out, next one will be my daughter, then me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 I'm hoping my ST will get cheaper rather than go up any more, but realise this is unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 My first instinct was to say "no, because if I go to a game it's to support my team, not individual players", but as much as I may want to pretend otherwise, I'm sure doing well and having good players does make me look forward to the games more, and keener to try and find games I can get to etc. The problem is, tickets are too expensive anyway, so it would be hard to justify any increases regardless of how good the team was! How about this for a hypothesis? The price of a ticket should be variable depending on the score line - e.g. you pay £30, if the team wins your card is charged an extra £10 (maybe you get £10 back if they lose...) Most people wouldn't mind paying because the result and experience has made their weekend amazing, (perhaps the money generated would also cover any player win bonuses etc), on the flip side when you're depressed about losing you at least have consolation that you haven't been totally fleeced for the experience as well...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 (edited) You think there would be no drop off in attendances at £50 a game? If my season ticket goes up this year i will definitely post a moan on here I think nothing on the subject really, just pointing out a basic error of reasoning. Football is by far expensive enough as it is. Edited 12 January, 2016 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 (edited) I'm annoyed as it is how much I pay to go to games. If it goes up again I'm seriously considering jacking it in. Especially after what looks like it will be a poor season, terrible atmosphere and the fact the club will get far more tv money. Last 3 games I've been to were Swansea Liverpool and Arsenal at home, everyone has been mentioning the poor atmosphere recently (even before the awful run) but against Arsenal it was really good even before we scored, one of the best I've experienced since being back in the Premier League. Is that because a lot of people got tickets for xmas that normally can't afford to go or can't justify paying £35-45 more than a handful of times a year and went because they do it every boxing day? I've said it many times before that I believe the increase in ticket prices has kept many people that want to make the noise away and you'll get more tourist fans or fans that just want to sit down, eat their pies and drink hotchocolate Edited 12 January, 2016 by Saint IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 My first instinct was to say "no, because if I go to a game it's to support my team, not individual players", but as much as I may want to pretend otherwise, I'm sure doing well and having good players does make me look forward to the games more, and keener to try and find games I can get to etc. The problem is, tickets are too expensive anyway, so it would be hard to justify any increases regardless of how good the team was! How about this for a hypothesis? The price of a ticket should be variable depending on the score line - e.g. you pay £30, if the team wins your card is charged an extra £10 (maybe you get £10 back if they lose...) Most people wouldn't mind paying because the result and experience has made their weekend amazing, (perhaps the money generated would also cover any player win bonuses etc), on the flip side when you're depressed about losing you at least have consolation that you haven't been totally fleeced for the experience as well...! Think you'll find Ladbrokes already run a similar scheme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 Taking your premise that we ignore that matchday income is relatively insignificant these days, I think you've got your cause and effect turned around here. If there were more signings, AND this led to a better product on display (better football, Europa or maybe even Champions League), there would be more demand for tickets. It would be that increased demand that would lead to increased ticket prices. Increasing ticket prices with the the promise of better signings would probably have the opposite effect, reducing demand as people waited for the better signings to actually be bought and justify the increased prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 Not before new signings do something useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 We already are paying more than most other Premier League fans. The average price our fans pay is the 7th most expensive in the country. Even if we want to have the most expensive tickets in the world, it will be hard as Arsenal include Champions League games on their season tickets, which pushes their price sky high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Valley Saint Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 Putting more money into an already grossly over-inflated pot just so that players and agents can become even wealthier!!!!! Certainly not. Putting more in so some of these tossers can earn more than £50.000 + a week - joking! For what they are paid and what we are paying/have paid, they should be able to perform at the top level already. There was something pleasantly refreshing about the FA Cup last weekend. Watching teams form outside the Prem showcase their talents with a lot of the players earning an annual salary significantly less than some of the mercenaries earn in a week. Teams such as Oxford, Eastleigh, Exeter, Wycombe, (I wont mention the P word), Peterborough, Shrewsbury, etc. playing football with a passion and pride seriously lacking from some of the higher profile sides. Even watching Liverpool's youngsters was refreshing. I'm not daft enough to think that these days will return any time soon but I am certainly not prepared to pay any more into a game that is being destroyed by the ridiculous amounts of money already swilling around. Rooney on £300,000 a week - what's he done this season to justify that!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 You should try watching lower league teams on a regular basis. There is no more passion and pride than there is in the Premier League, just a lot less skill and entertainment. As for effort, why do you think Pompey fans boo their team off the pitch so regularly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 No. In football as in life it is better to buy cheap and sell dear, than the other way round. You would think Saints fans would know that by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 12 January, 2016 Share Posted 12 January, 2016 Nope - the money we pay into the club is incidental in the grand scheme of things. The only bonus, if it were to happen, would be being to slag off the player (s) my/our extra money at the gate bought......... Of course I would like the right to a return on my additional outlay should sad player hop it for twice as much as I/we bought them for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 just interested, setting aside A) the fact saints income comes from many different places, and B) that arguably we should be already getting more for what we pay now anyway, and C) 10 quid per fan is hardly going to make a big difference : would saintsweb folk be willing for ticket prices to go up (OK over a bit of time) if transfers definitely would come in and we'd buy players of a similar/better quality than now? I'm only asking because season ticket/matchday ticket is where it concretely hits the wallet, so a good indication of how much people are willing to walk the walk and not just talk the talk I think you overestimate the impact of matchday revenue, as no doubt every other person has said on this thread already. It's less than half of the club's income and will be even less from next season. It literally doesn't make a difference whether fans turn up or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 Prices should be going down not up. They're nothing compared to the TV money, fans shouldn't be made to suffer continuously. I actually miss the lower leagues for being able to go to more games. Even when we were rubbish, got the impression people were more patient and didn't take it as seriously having only paid £15-20. I think it was more that 1) people knew we were rubbish and had low expectations 2) the only people going were happy to watch L1 football in the first place. The precious entitled ones who insist on winning every match have generally already jumped ship by then.* *NB website presence does not indicate match presence, before someone mentions Alpine's endless negativity even in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 13 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 13 January, 2016 I think you overestimate the impact of matchday revenue, as no doubt every other person has said on this thread already. It's less than half of the club's income and will be even less from next season. It literally doesn't make a difference whether fans turn up or not. Sorry, the question it wasn't very clear. my point isn't that the proceeds from the gates would be used to spend on players. it's a bit of a ridiculous question, but I wanted to know hypothetically how much extra would you pay if you were guaranteed signings of a good level. I said 'at the gate' just because that's where our money most visibly goes to the club, unless you have a season ticket which I havent yet. i agree that raising ticket prices has many other effects like meaning more out-of-towners come along when on holiday rather than local workers who tend to make atmosphere a little better. but in principle I'm asking how m uch do you really care about 'new signings' (rather than the manager coaching in a different way, or the academy producing not just full backs but being more keyed into the first team) ? and in part, the wallet is where your care can be really demonstrated. anyway. maybe it was a farcical quesiton. I only ask as for all my cynicism and criticism of the club at the moment, wamting something to change, I wouldn't want to pay more on the weekends I would go. the reason isn't because I don't enjoy saints winning, and am willing to spend my money on what I enjoy, but rather that seasons seem to just go up and down no matter what investment in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 Sorry, the question it wasn't very clear. my point isn't that the proceeds from the gates would be used to spend on players. it's a bit of a ridiculous question, but I wanted to know hypothetically how much extra would you pay if you were guaranteed signings of a good level. I said 'at the gate' just because that's where our money most visibly goes to the club, unless you have a season ticket which I havent yet. i agree that raising ticket prices has many other effects like meaning more out-of-towners come along when on holiday rather than local workers who tend to make atmosphere a little better. but in principle I'm asking how m uch do you really care about 'new signings' (rather than the manager coaching in a different way, or the academy producing not just full backs but being more keyed into the first team) ? and in part, the wallet is where your care can be really demonstrated. anyway. maybe it was a farcical quesiton. I only ask as for all my cynicism and criticism of the club at the moment, wamting something to change, I wouldn't want to pay more on the weekends I would go. the reason isn't because I don't enjoy saints winning, and am willing to spend my money on what I enjoy, but rather that seasons seem to just go up and down no matter what investment in the squad. That's not strictly true. The investment in players like Keegan, Ball, Watson, Osgood and Shilton, in the McMenemy era, brought us our most succesful spell as a club. I'd also say that the investment by Markus Liebherr made a big difference to the club. If you look at successful clubs, they are mostly where they are because of the money invested by their owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 13 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 13 January, 2016 That's not strictly true. The investment in players like Keegan, Ball, Watson, Osgood and Shilton, in the McMenemy era, brought us our most succesful spell as a club. I'd also say that the investment by Markus Liebherr made a big difference to the club. If you look at successful clubs, they are mostly where they are because of the money invested by their owners. 100%. there's definitely a correlation. just it's never guaranteed. absolutely we had successful spells as a direct result of buying decent quality. I think rather than using my money which isn't guaranteed to improve the squad (even if they are scouted as being better), I'd prefer to change things by using different forms of 'having my stake in the club'. like voicing my opinion i n meet the fan events or joining in fan actions if needs be. and if it gets really sh!t then give it a break watching games for a while. and at this moment in time, I am actually convinced that it is not a question of squad quality that is wrong. I think there is no reason why the current crop cannot be coached and organised in a way that challenges for the top half of the table. Mayube it's a change of tactics, mentality, training regime or integration of u21s, no idea. but thats the reason I don't think it's worth any financial sacrifice as a saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadesupfront Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 So what would happen if it was£10 cheaper? Would we sell more STs? Would we still need membership? Would we need less people in the ticket office? Would we sell more hospitality? Would we still moan about ticket prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Just wait 4 years, you'll be paying the extra £10 anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 I don't bother now much because of the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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