saintrich Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 My faith in Koeman has certainly declined - why buy European players who aren't up to scratch when we could go for English ones - either our own or players like Gray who Leicester have just bought. I'm sure half the Premier League tried to sign Gray, but he got to stay in the midlands and join a team that is flying. It doesn't mean we didn't try.
Batman Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 I'm sure half the Premier League tried to sign Gray, but he got to stay in the midlands and join a team that is flying. It doesn't mean we didn't try. he said like Gray We have needed a striker to replace/serious challenge Pelle since last january. We were on a high 12 months ago (slide started there) but Pelle still manage 14 games on the bounce without a goal Then the summer came, and Rodriguez was back. Fair enough But he has not been fit and even injured for a while now with no real indication if he will be back (and not get injured again) Leicester, bournemouth needed certain players and got them in immediately. Have we done that? have we tried? Dunno. But Koeman has said he has at least spoken to the board about financing a new striker. Throw in his public criticism of the academy and a few times he has said IF we bring in a player, it will br a striker. Safe to assume, he is trying to force things along a little. Which is a tad disappointing when this is a position we needed to strengthen 12 months ago and NOT with another Jaunmi but a player who could realistically put pelle in the stands. Obviously it is not easy but there we are
doddisalegend Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 My faith in Koeman has certainly declined - why buy European players who aren't up to scratch when we could go for English ones - either our own or players like Gray who Leicester have just bought. Would going for English players who aren't up to scratch be better than going for European ones who aren't up to scratch? Or are you suggesting that being English somehow makes you a better player?
doddisalegend Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 he said like Gray We have needed a striker to replace/serious challenge Pelle since last january. We were on a high 12 months ago (slide started there) but Pelle still manage 14 games on the bounce without a goal Then the summer came, and Rodriguez was back. Fair enough But he has not been fit and even injured for a while now with no real indication if he will be back (and not get injured again) Leicester, bournemouth needed certain players and got them in immediately. Have we done that? have we tried? Dunno. But Koeman has said he has at least spoken to the board about financing a new striker. Throw in his public criticism of the academy and a few times he has said IF we bring in a player, it will br a striker. Safe to assume, he is trying to force things along a little. Which is a tad disappointing when this is a position we needed to strengthen 12 months ago and NOT with another Jaunmi but a player who could realistically put pelle in the stands. Obviously it is not easy but there we are I think the club gambled heavily on Jrod coming back and picking up where he left off pre injury. If that gamble had paid off we'd probably all be a lot happier right now Unfortunately it didn't and it now looks like a bad decision by the club not to get another striker last summer.
Saint86 Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 The kids are good enough, you don't beat everton 3-0 with 7 of them in the squad if they aren't. Seager is a natural goal scorer and has been prolific at every level he's played at. Don't forget we also have young calum and josh sims at that level. As for Gallagher. He score under poch and got a number of appearances in the prem despite his dad dying. The kid is good enough and it is a failure of the current set up that no one other than Target is getting any game time. We are buying fillers and putting them in the way of youth players. As a result the wage and transfer costs are going up and loyalty is going out the window. It is a terrible business model. The fans need to stop buying the boards PR BS frankly. From the second Cortese was outed the new lot have set about using PR to tarnish his legacy and make sure that anyone who steps out of line at the club is at fault and this is then hinted at in the press or through little "ITK" snippets on the forums etc. I don't honestly believe that every time something goes against the club/board it is the other parties fault.... there is no smoke without fire and there has been far too many instances now... the only common denominator is the board. Make absolutely no mistake, under poch, Seager, Gallagher, Target, Hekseth, McQueen, Gape etc would all have had far more opportunities than now, and we would possibly have seen Josh and Callum also. All this is aside from the current results. I think Forster back in goal and we'll get back to winning ways. But there is very obviously a philosophy issue behind the scenes. I think the three players Koeman wanted this summer were Toby, VVD and Claise... I don't see how Juanmi and Martina fit into his style and these two seem like black box (post Mitchell) signings. I also think that the board would have sold both Wanyama and Mane this january given the chance and Koeman's very public and outspoken media comments that neither will be sold was done to make it very difficult for the board to flog em. That said, he needs to be playing the kids. Most saints fans would excuse losses if it meant we were developing our own, and the club have seriously misjudged the fan base if they think differently.
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 That doesn't make sense. Unless you give every single U21 player a sustained run in the team, which not one single club does. Rubbish....what doesn't make sense is not giving them ANY game time when you have lost 9 out of 11 and your main strikers are injured or p1ssing you off! Why a sustained run? you will see very quickly whether they can cope - Reed certainly did.
Wade Garrett Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Rubbish....what doesn't make sense is not giving them ANY game time when you have lost 9 out of 11 and your main strikers are injured or p1ssing you off! Why a sustained run? you will see very quickly whether they can cope - Reed certainly did. Ron, at the end of the game on Saturday, we had Targett and JWP on the pitch, with Reed and Seager on the bench. Not too bad really. How many U21s did Palace have?
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Ron, at the end of the game on Saturday, we had Targett and JWP on the pitch, with Reed and Seager on the bench. Not too bad really. How many U21s did Palace have? My problem is that we are not giving the ones we need to in areas we have issues in - as I have said before I am not totally convinced by Seager BUT he is different from any other striker we have. Its irrelevant now anyway as he wont get a game with us in this situation but the FA Cup was a great chance to test that. Why bring on JWP whose contribution has been what in that many games? Or was the plan to just rely on his corner/free kick delivery - thats not worked out too well so far.
philelec Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 With the under 21's playing this evening, don't expect any changes in the selection for Wednesday night's game. With Koeman we supporters just can't win and have to accept more of the same. Does anyone know if this is being streamed anywhere?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Does anyone know if this is being streamed anywhere? Live on YouTube on the Saints channel.
Fatboy40 Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Live on YouTube on the Saints channel. I didn't know SFC did YouTube live streams, thanks for that :-) (this forum really needs a 'thanks button !).
Wade Garrett Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 My problem is that we are not giving the ones we need to in areas we have issues in - as I have said before I am not totally convinced by Seager BUT he is different from any other striker we have. Its irrelevant now anyway as he wont get a game with us in this situation but the FA Cup was a great chance to test that. Why bring on JWP whose contribution has been what in that many games? Or was the plan to just rely on his corner/free kick delivery - thats not worked out too well so far. 2 corners that we nearly scored from and a free-kick that needed an unbelievable save to keep out. Not too shabby.
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 2 corners that we nearly scored from and a free-kick that needed an unbelievable save to keep out. Not too shabby. Fair enough but point is we didn't score and just maybe having a box poacher could have helped. Pelle may be back Wednesday so will strengthen us a bit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sour Mash Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Rubbish....what doesn't make sense is not giving them ANY game time when you have lost 9 out of 11 and your main strikers are injured or p1ssing you off! Why a sustained run? you will see very quickly whether they can cope - Reed certainly did. Why does not one single professional football club do that then?
david in sweden Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 We have 3 important games this week - do you think we will be able to cope with Long/Mane playing nearly all 3? Plus Davis/JWP could we have not given Seager at least 30 minutes to give them a rest what was the harm in that? ......couldn't agree more, but I'm not picking the team...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Hopefully we promote Forster from the U21s to the first team soon. Koeman will back that move.
Saint Charlie Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Re Seager: send him on loan to L1 for a month or two and see how he does there. We have nothing else to learn by him playing in diluted U21 football often against teenage CBs. Gallagher barely got a look in at MK Dons (but may do more in L1?) so see if Seager does better. If they don't stand out there then perhaps they aren't PL class.
SuperSAINT Posted 11 January, 2016 Author Posted 11 January, 2016 Re Seager: send him on loan to L1 for a month or two and see how he does there. We have nothing else to learn by him playing in diluted U21 football often against teenage CBs. Gallagher barely got a look in at MK Dons (but may do more in L1?) so see if Seager does better. If they don't stand out there then perhaps they aren't PL class. Agree 100%.
GGalpin Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Re Seager: send him on loan to L1 for a month or two and see how he does there. We have nothing else to learn by him playing in diluted U21 football often against teenage CBs. Gallagher barely got a look in at MK Dons (but may do more in L1?) so see if Seager does better. If they don't stand out there then perhaps they aren't PL class. Someone like Swindon?
davefizzy14 Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 The Under 21s are playing Liverpool at Staplewood tonight, has anyone got the team line-up?
CityRanger Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 I might be wrong but I seem to recall it being said that there was a potential gap in quality in the academy between the last "generation" and the under 16's of the time. Isn't this what we are seeing now? JWP, Matty Targett and Chambers are all current England U'21 internationals produced by our academy. I don't think they can be asked to do a lot more than that. What's been left behind after Shaw and Chambers sale and JWP being regular first team squad still has a couple of players that people are championing on here for first team games so I don't think it's all that bad really. I still think Reed was quality when I saw him last season and can't believe he hasn't kicked on though.
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Why does not one single professional football club do that then? Are you joking or explain because I am missing your point! You don't think clubs play academy for 30 minutes in an F A Cup game? Did you see who Liverpool played at right back in the quarter final? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sour Mash Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Are you joking or explain because I am missing your point! You don't think clubs play academy for 30 minutes in an F A Cup game? Did you see who Liverpool played at right back in the quarter final? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You said that the only way to ascertain if an U21 is good enough for the first team is to play them in the first team. That is clearly wrong, proven by the fact that no club plays every single U21 in their first team to see if they're good enough. It doesn't happen anywhere. For obvious reasons.
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 You said that the only way to ascertain if an U21 is good enough for the first team is to play them in the first team. That is clearly wrong, proven by the fact that no club plays every single U21 in their first team to see if they're good enough. It doesn't happen anywhere. For obvious reasons. I can't believe you thought I meant that. Wow that's some weird interpretation funny several others got it but you don't. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 The Under 21s are playing Liverpool at Staplewood tonight, has anyone got the team line-up? Strong team for us. Not sure on the team Liverpool have out but they are usually very good and I imagine we'll be seeking to defend well and make the most of our chances.
Sour Mash Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 I can't believe you thought I meant that. Wow that's some weird interpretation funny several others got it but you don't. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Only you know what you meant, I'm commenting on what you've written.
The Cat Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Strong team for us. Not sure on the team Liverpool have out but they are usually very good and I imagine we'll be seeking to defend well and make the most of our chances. Liverpool are bottom of the U21 league with 1 win all season, and judging by the start of this game they were lucky to get that.
Batman Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Liverpool are bottom of the U21 league with 1 win all season, and judging by the start of this game they were lucky to get that. couldnt imagine their U21s getting ANYWHERE near their 1st team then
thorpie the sinner Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Hesketh looking very tidy thus far!
VectisSaint Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 couldnt imagine their U21s getting ANYWHERE near their 1st team then Except that 4 of them started on Saturday in the FA Cup.
Batman Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Except that 4 of them started on Saturday in the FA Cup. I know. and one or two of them in the side that blasted us in the league cup
supersonic Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Reed doing himself no harm. JUST PLAY HIM RONALD!!
benjii Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Reed looks like our best player. I'd rather see him than Vic the **** in the team at the moment.
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Only you know what you meant, I'm commenting on what you've written. Only me go back and read again that several agree only you that doesn't says enough really. By the way Flanagan who played against us in quarter is playing for their u21s but no team does that do they! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Batman Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Only me go back and read again that several agree only you that doesn't says enough really. By the way Flanagan who played against us in quarter is playing for their u21s but no team does that do they! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk what is the liverpool line up tonight?
Sour Mash Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Only me go back and read again that several agree only you that doesn't says enough really. By the way Flanagan who played against us in quarter is playing for their u21s but no team does that do they! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm not sure why you find it so difficult to understand how you're wrong, but don't let it bother you so much.
sadoldgit Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Hesketh looking very tidy thus far! Probably feeling a bit chipper now that United are sniffing around!
VectisSaint Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Hesketh looking very tidy thus far! Really wish they would stop calling him Heskey though...
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 I'm not sure why you find it so difficult to understand how you're wrong, but don't let it bother you so much. That's it though as several point out I am not and you still can't see this. Never mind you keep on with the blinkers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Batman Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 randall and smith played against us in the 6-1 thrashing
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 randall and smith played against us in the 6-1 thrashing Also the right back Flanagan. Ron and all coaching team are there good to see. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Matthew Le God Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Really wish they would stop calling him Heskey though... Why? It is Marcus Barnes (a teammate of Hesketh) on commentary using his nickname. No different from teammates calling Jack Cork... Corky, Richard Chaplow... Chappy etc
Tom28 Posted 11 January, 2016 Posted 11 January, 2016 Harrison Reed has to get a run in the first team. Or go out on loan. Staying at this level where he's head and shoulders above everyone is just a waste of his time
st alex Posted 12 January, 2016 Posted 12 January, 2016 Surprised that Man Utd were rumoured to be interested in Hesketh since at 19 he's not seen much action for us http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14196337.GOSSIP__Manchester_United_want_Southampton_starlet/?ref=mr&lp=20 Also anyone know how Callum Slattery has been getting on this season? He was supposed to be very highly rated.
david in sweden Posted 12 January, 2016 Posted 12 January, 2016 Surprised that Man Utd were rumoured to be interested in Hesketh since at 19 he's not seen much action for us http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14196337.GOSSIP__Manchester_United_want_Southampton_starlet/?ref=mr&lp=20 Also anyone know how Callum Slattery has been getting on this season? He was supposed to be very highly rated. just for the record. Jake Hesketh has featured in all 12 games the U21 s have played this season. He's scored 3 goals early on, but none since September. Calum Slattery has started 10 +1 sub. (of the 18) the U18 s have played) . He was out injured for 5 weeks in early season. To date - no goals.
VectisSaint Posted 12 January, 2016 Posted 12 January, 2016 Why? It is Marcus Barnes (a teammate of Hesketh) on commentary using his nickname. No different from teammates calling Jack Cork... Corky, Richard Chaplow... Chappy etc FFS, do you really want to hear people shouting for Heskey in our team. You really should get out more and try to develop a sense of humour man.
Saint Charlie Posted 23 January, 2016 Posted 23 January, 2016 U18s lost 7 in a row now I think. Dismal really.
david in sweden Posted 23 January, 2016 Posted 23 January, 2016 (edited) U18s lost 7 in a row now I think. Dismal really. more disappointing ...they have had to use 23 players so far this season, includes quite a number of 16 year olds. Hardly a good recipe for consistancy. Slattery and Olomola have been out with injuries, and defender Ben Rowthorn have been out, and CB Alfie Jones has moved up to the U21's. I think 8 or 9 of the U18's have had game time with U21's so far, who have had problems themselves. Mc Carthy is on loan at Wycombe, Isgrove at Barnsley and Sam Gallagher had a fruitless 4 months wasted at MK Dons. If that wasn't bad enough....Mc Queen, Barnes and Sims have all been out with injuries at sometime. Edited 23 January, 2016 by david in sweden
VectisSaint Posted 23 January, 2016 Posted 23 January, 2016 more disappointing ...they have had to use 23 players so far this season, includes quite a number of 16 year olds. Hardly a good recipe for consistancy. Slattery and Olomola have been out with injuries, and defender Ben Rowthorn have been out, and CB Alfie Jones has moved up to the U21's. I think 8 or 9 of the U18's have had game time with U21's so far, who have had problems themselves. Mc Carthy is on loan at Wycombe, Isgrove at Barnsley and Sam Gallagher had a fruitless 4 months wasted at MK Dons. If that wasn't bad enough....Mc Queen, Barnes and Sims have all been out with injuries at sometime. -despite his young age. The U18s really have become very disappointing, though as you say quite a few have been playing with the U21s. The Club really need to be looking at whether we have the best coaches possible, the evidence suggests we don't. Minor point but Isgrove is not an U21.
Dangermouth Posted 23 January, 2016 Posted 23 January, 2016 I'd bring in Jan Poortvliet (and a defensive coach).
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