Koeman talking tough on Mane and Victor

[holepuncture]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/07/ronald-koeman-sadio-mane-victor-wanyama-southampton

 

'Ronald Koeman will let Sadio Mané and Victor Wanyama sit “in the stands” if they agitate for a move away from Southampton.'

 

Good man.

[No 2 to Maybush]

Talk is cheap. I got the impression from the article that Ronald is doing a bit of firefighting. "They like to continue and make a good season..." well, Ronald that doesn't really tally with what we've seen on the pitch so far. Still, here's hoping he has kicked butt and we have a better second half to the season.

[DuncanRG]

Bit strange that he's coming out with lines like that at the same time as insisting the players are happy. Either the players are fine and he's using that language to stem the media or the players are unhappy and he's being a little disingenuous.

 

Anyone know the question(s) he was asked?

[sandwichsaint]

Too little, too late. Not sure that either would be particularly bothered by that outcome, I'd play Romeu regularly for the second half of the season, and sell either/or or both this window but only if the price is right ££££, and attempt to source a Mane replacement via the black box.

 

Hindsight's 20/20 but we would have been better off binning VW in the last window. I'm sure some people will still his 5hit song on Saturday though.

[DT]

Team selection tomorrow will be interesting...

[dronskisaint]

Team selection tomorrow will be interesting...

 

Mane will be in, Vic's suspended - not sure what that will indicate?

[doddisalegend]

Mane will be in, Vic's suspended - not sure what that will indicate?

 

 

Mane will only be in if he can turn up on time.....

Edited 8 January, 2016 by doddisalegend

[Saint Charlie]

Team selection tomorrow will be interesting...

Will Clasie start for example?

 

We need him for Wednesday's game with Vic missing.

[DuncanRG]

I'd just like to note Mane's committed performance today. He was up and trying to motivate his team mates when we conceded.

[Dig Dig]

I'd just like to note Mane's committed performance today. He was up and trying to motivate his team mates when we conceded.

 

I don't think there has ever really been any issues with his on field commitment.

[DuncanRG]

I don't think there has ever really been any issues with his on field commitment.

 

No, but last week people were making him out to be a Berahino-type troublemaker so I thought I'd reinforce how utterly baseless that idea was.

[Whitey Grandad]

I'd just like to note Mane's committed performance today. He was up and trying to motivate his team mates when we conceded.

 

Yes he did, but he also fell over a lot.

[Dig Dig]

No, but last week people were making him out to be a Berahino-type troublemaker so I thought I'd reinforce how utterly baseless that idea was.

 

Agree

[Lets B Avenue]

No, but last week people were making him out to be a Berahino-type troublemaker so I thought I'd reinforce how utterly baseless that idea was.

 

That's because there is a lot of idiots on here, that post a lot of idiocy.

 

Frequently.

[Saint-Armstrong]

According to MLT, the Mané incident wasn't as clear cut as it was made to sound...

 

The team's standard Friday evening hotel meeting was brought forward by ten minutes, and the players were messaged in order to let them know.

 

Sadio didn't get the message in time and turned up at the previously arranged time, thus making him ten minutes late.

 

Ronald decided to drop him from the team and enforce the rules.

 

Now seeing as players don't share rooms anymore, I can kind of understand if Sadio was actually sleeping in his hotel room that evening and actually didn't see the message.

 

So yeah, he did turn up late, but it's certainly not such a flagrant rule break as it was made to appear in some quarters.

 

 

Source: http://freshsaints.com/interview-talking-with-le-tiss/

[scotty]

According to MLT, the Mané incident wasn't as clear cut as it was made to sound...

 

The team's standard Friday evening hotel meeting was brought forward by ten minutes, and the players were messaged in order to let them know.

 

Sadio didn't get the message in time and turned up at the previously arranged time, thus making him ten minutes late.

 

Ronald decided to drop him from the team and enforce the rules.

 

Now seeing as players don't share rooms anymore, I can kind of understand if Sadio was actually sleeping in his hotel room that evening and actually didn't see the message.

 

So yeah, he did turn up late, but it's certainly not such a flagrant rule break as it was made to appear in some quarters.

 

 

Source: http://freshsaints.com/interview-talking-with-le-tiss/

 

That seems ridiculous. If he was sleeping or resting, why shouldn't he switch off his phone? And what possible reason could there be for bringing a meeting ahead by 10 minutes, then sanctioning a player for not seeing the text? There has to be something behind this.

[Faz]

Probably not a first offence so a suspended sentence came in to force.

[Batman]

That seems ridiculous. If he was sleeping or resting, why shouldn't he switch off his phone? And what possible reason could there be for bringing a meeting ahead by 10 minutes, then sanctioning a player for not seeing the text? There has to be something behind this.

 

in case someone needed to contact him?

not a big ask is it. Have a little rest but leave your phone on

[Patrick Bateman]

According to MLT, the Mané incident wasn't as clear cut as it was made to sound...

 

The team's standard Friday evening hotel meeting was brought forward by ten minutes, and the players were messaged in order to let them know.

 

Sadio didn't get the message in time and turned up at the previously arranged time, thus making him ten minutes late.

 

Ronald decided to drop him from the team and enforce the rules.

 

Now seeing as players don't share rooms anymore, I can kind of understand if Sadio was actually sleeping in his hotel room that evening and actually didn't see the message.

 

So yeah, he did turn up late, but it's certainly not such a flagrant rule break as it was made to appear in some quarters.

 

 

Source: http://freshsaints.com/interview-talking-with-le-tiss/

 

Aren't they supposed to be contactable 24/7 like all the club's staff though? If so, he was breaking club rules and contractural obligations. Just my hypothesis anyway.

[hasper57saint]

Strange how two hours have been turned into ten minutes.As PB says "Aren't they contracted for 24/7"? Something not quite right here and it will be an awful long time before the real situation emerges.

[Saint Charlie]

Koeman said in his presser before Palace that the meeting had been brought forward.

 

Seems harsh but if every other player made it...

[angelman]

Fact remains, regardless of how clear cut the situation was or not, that everyone else seems to have managed to make the meeting.

 

What surprises me in this, is that team mates aren't looking out for each other and knocking on the room door to make sure each other are awake etc.

[Saint Charlie]

Fact remains, regardless of how clear cut the situation was or not, that everyone else seems to have managed to make the meeting.

 

What surprises me in this, is that team mates aren't looking out for each other and knocking on the room door to make sure each other are awake etc.

On a matchday players have their own routine. Mane is a grown man paid a fortune to be professional. He shouldn't need a carer.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Fact remains, regardless of how clear cut the situation was or not, that everyone else seems to have managed to make the meeting.

 

What surprises me in this, is that team mates aren't looking out for each other and knocking on the room door to make sure each other are awake etc.

 

There was obviously an issue in training and Sadio's focus in the week and being late for the meeting triggered an amplified reaction

[angelman]

On a matchday players have their own routine. Mane is a grown man paid a fortune to be professional. He shouldn't need a carer.

True, but a knock on the door with a "Are you coming down to the meeting, mate?" is not really being a carer, it's being part of a team.

 

There was obviously an issue in training and Sadio's focus in the week and being late for the meeting triggered an amplified reaction

Maybe he has had an adverse influence on the team, as apart from Arsenal, he and some others might have had their focus elsewhere.

[sadoldgit]

According to MLT, the Mané incident wasn't as clear cut as it was made to sound...

 

The team's standard Friday evening hotel meeting was brought forward by ten minutes, and the players were messaged in order to let them know.

 

Sadio didn't get the message in time and turned up at the previously arranged time, thus making him ten minutes late.

 

Ronald decided to drop him from the team and enforce the rules.

 

Now seeing as players don't share rooms anymore, I can kind of understand if Sadio was actually sleeping in his hotel room that evening and actually didn't see the message.

 

So yeah, he did turn up late, but it's certainly not such a flagrant rule break as it was made to appear in some quarters.

 

 

Source: http://freshsaints.com/interview-talking-with-le-tiss/

 

1. We were told that he was 2 hours late and not 10 minutes late.

2. Everyone else managed to get there on time.

3. He has previous.

4. If the meeting had been moved forward 10 mins and Man was 10 mins late would RK have kicked off so much when it could easily have been a misunderstanding?

Edited 15 January, 2016 by sadoldgit

[VectisSaint]

1. We were told that he was 2 hours late and not 10 minutes late.

No we weren't, that was what one of the papers misquoted. Ronald stated in interview that Mane was late (he didn't specify how late) for a meeting 2 hours before kick-off. This 2 hours late for a meeting is a myth. Not sure that MLT's saying this was a Friday meeting either is correct, it certainly does not match up with what Ronald said. I thought they had flown up on Saturday morning anyway, but could be wrong about that.

Edited 15 January, 2016 by VectisSaint

[sadoldgit]

No we weren't, that was what one of the papers misquoted. Ronald stated in interview that Mane was late (he didn't specify how late) for a meeting 2 hours before kick-off. This 2 hours late for a meeting is a myth. Not sure that MLT's saying this was a Friday meeting either is correct, it certainly does not match up with what Ronald said. I thought they had flown up on Saturday morning anyway, but could be wrong about that.

 

This is the quote from The Mail from Ron. "He came two hours late to our last meeting. That's impossible. Everyone knows that we have sanctions and you don't start."

[sadoldgit]

Also if he was in his room it was easy enough to phone him either on his mobile or on the phone in the room, or just to knock on the door. Wouldn't you just say can someone chase up Sadio please? Unless of course he wasn't at the hotel yet. Having been spoken too about his lack of focus on the Thursday even if he was 10 minutes late and not two hours late - do you think that is acceptable?

Edited 15 January, 2016 by sadoldgit

[sadoldgit]

That seems ridiculous. If he was sleeping or resting, why shouldn't he switch off his phone? And what possible reason could there be for bringing a meeting ahead by 10 minutes, then sanctioning a player for not seeing the text? There has to be something behind this.

 

Why shouldn't he switch off his phone? Because he has a team meeting to attend. It doesn't matter what reason there was for bringing the meeting forward. There was a meeting. It is his job to attend it. Everyone else was there. He had been spoken to about his lack of focus on Thursday and he turns up late for the team meeting on Saturday. There are "sanctions" if you are late to a team meeting by which I assume RK means that you are dropped to the bench if you are late. Whether he was two hours late of ten minutes, late is late. What was Koeman supposed to do? Having recently spoken to him about his lack of focus and then he turns up late for a crucial meeting he really didn't give Ron much choice did he?

[scotty]

Why shouldn't he switch off his phone? Because he has a team meeting to attend. It doesn't matter what reason there was for bringing the meeting forward. There was a meeting. It is his job to attend it. Everyone else was there. He had been spoken to about his lack of focus on Thursday and he turns up late for the team meeting on Saturday. There are "sanctions" if you are late to a team meeting by which I assume RK means that you are dropped to the bench if you are late. Whether he was two hours late of ten minutes, late is late. What was Koeman supposed to do? Having recently spoken to him about his lack of focus and then he turns up late for a crucial meeting he really didn't give Ron much choice did he?

 

If it actually was a ten minute alteration to the schedule, when did it happen, and why? As you pointed out in your previous post, why couldn't somebody just knock on his hotel door and tell him?

[sadoldgit]

If it actually was a ten minute alteration to the schedule, when did it happen, and why? As you pointed out in your previous post, why couldn't somebody just knock on his hotel door and tell him?

 

Perhaps they tried? Who knows. The point is that everyone else was there and he wasn't. Having just been talked to about lack of focus, pitching up late for a crucial team meeting is hardly the brightest thing to do is it? It kind of proves Ron's point don't you think? I don't know whey you are hung up on the timing of the meeting and why it was changed. It is almost as if you are saying it was done to stich Mane up?

[beatlesaint]

On a matchday players have their own routine. Mane is a grown man paid a fortune to be professional. He shouldn't need a carer.

 

Reminds me of the Fabrice Fernandes story when he was still at Fulham. He kept getting wet at night and rang the club to solve the problem. Turned out his bedroom window was open and of course when it rained...... !!

[Victor]

If I'm listening to music on my headphones I can't hear my phone or a knock on the door. A slightly more credible scenario than sleeping 10mins before a meeting. We don't know the facts and MLT's comment makes us no wiser.

We need Mane to perform and we need the manager to sort it. Dropping him just for being 10mins late for a re-arranged meeting would be a crass thing to do.

[VectisSaint]

This is the quote from The Mail from Ron. "He came two hours late to our last meeting. That's impossible. Everyone knows that we have sanctions and you don't start."

The article you are quoting from also states:

"The player turned up late for a team meeting two hours before their match against Norwich and Koeman punished him by dropping him from the starting line-up."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3382158/Manchester-United-red-alert-Sadio-Mane-left-furious-Ronald-Koeman-late-arrival-Southampton-meeting.html

The quote is clearly just Ron's poor English. Anyone with a modicum of sense would realise you can't be two hours late for a meeting two hours before the game (and still actually be on the bench). Listen to the interview with Ron (the link is somewhere on another thread) and you will hear Ron clearly state he turned up 10 minutes late for the meeting which they held 2 hours before kick-off. There are plenty of other articles in the Fail that make no mention of the 2 hours.

Edited 15 January, 2016 by VectisSaint

[Saint Charlie]

Also very unlikely that Mane was asleep two hours before the game.

[VectisSaint]

The article you are quoting from also states:

"The player turned up late for a team meeting two hours before their match against Norwich and Koeman punished him by dropping him from the starting line-up."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3382158/Manchester-United-red-alert-Sadio-Mane-left-furious-Ronald-Koeman-late-arrival-Southampton-meeting.html

The quote is clearly just Ron's poor English. Anyone with a modicum of sense would realise you can't be two hours late for a meeting two hours before the game (and still actually be on the bench). Listen to the interview with Ron (the link is somewhere on another thread) and you will hear Ron clearly state he turned up 10 minutes late for the meeting which they held 2 hours before kick-off. There are plenty of other articles in the Fail that make no mention of the 2 hours.

 

Found the interview with Ronald, Sadio turned up late for the meeting 2 hours before the game, he was clearly NOT 2 hours late:

It also shows that MLT was incorrect that the meeting was on Friday. The meeting was around 1pm on Saturday.

[Saint-Armstrong]

Correction: Matt doesn't say 'on Friday' - I assumed that it was on the Friday because as far as I was aware, the meetings were held on a Friday.

 

This one was held on the Saturday, as was said by Ronald.

 

My mistake, apologies.

 

So Sadio turned up 10 minutes late to a rearranged meeting, two hour before kick-off.

[Dig Dig]

Correction: Matt doesn't say 'on Friday' - I assumed that it was on the Friday because as far as I was aware, the meetings were held on a Friday.

 

This one was held on the Saturday, as was said by Ronald.

 

My mistake, apologies.

 

So Sadio turned up 10 minutes late to a rearranged meeting, two hour before kick-off.

 

Wrong, he turned up 10 hours late to a prearranged meeting 2 mins to kick-off. I read it in the Daily Mail.

[Saint-Armstrong]

Wrong, he turned up 10 hours late to a prearranged meeting 2 mins to kick-off. I read it in the Daily Mail.

 

Now it all makes sense...

[david in sweden]

On a matchday players have their own routine. Mane is a grown man paid a fortune to be professional. He shouldn't need a carer.

 

.but someone whom understands the money..... so he can pay the toll charge over the Itchen Bridge.......

[sadoldgit]

Found the interview with Ronald, Sadio turned up late for the meeting 2 hours before the game, he was clearly NOT 2 hours late:

It also shows that MLT was incorrect that the meeting was on Friday. The meeting was around 1pm on Saturday.

 

Well done. He was still late though.

[VectisSaint]

Well done. He was still late though.

Of course he was. Did anyone ever say otherwise? Its just the nonsense being spouted by you and a few others that it was 2 hours, which was patently ridiculous. Never believe anything you read in the Daily Fail (unless it says Caulker is joining Liverpool)

[Chez]

Why in earth lateness and other similar 'crimes' don't result in club fines, rather than being dropped from the team, is beyond me.

[DuncanRG]

Why in earth lateness and other similar 'crimes' don't result in club fines, rather than being dropped from the team, is beyond me.

 

Koeman said it's more of a punishment as money is no object to footballers.