Relegation Battle?

[alpine_saint]

We are in a relegation battle. No brainier.

 

We are appallingly run. No ambition in our Boardroom who have turned us in to a selling club. Players expect to leave when they peak and we are seeing that play out now. 'Operate within our means' philosophy is flawed if we wish to stay in the Premier League.

 

Only way forward is going to be a new wealthier owner and new talent to run the club. Koemans will go at the end of their contract if not.

 

I don't think we will reinforce this winter and sadly can see no chance of anything other than further asset stripping in the summer.

 

 

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Something like this.

 

I remember Martin Samuel warning us in the summer 2014/not to try the same stunt the following summer....

[whelk]

Something like this.

 

I remember Martin Samuel warning us in the summer 2014/not to try the same stunt the following summer....

 

Try the same stunt? Clueless understanding of the game. No solutions just whinge whinge snipe. Honestly how do all you bastards cope with real life? Does first sign of anything going wrong send you in to a tailspin of depression?

[Dalek2003]

Try the same stunt? Clueless understanding of the game. No solutions just whinge whinge snipe. Honestly how do all you bastards cope with real life? Does first sign of anything going wrong send you in to a tailspin of depression?

 

Depends whether you think losing 7 of your last 9 games is a blip or part of a long term slump.

[VectisSaint]

The curse of Caulker. Relegated with Cardiff. Then QPR. Saints next???

Caulker will be gone before the end of January, probably to Palace on a permanent. Note that he was not on the bench yesterday.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Something like this.

 

I remember Martin Samuel warning us in the summer 2014/not to try the same stunt the following summer....

 

The "great" martin samuel...the oasis of all football knowledge.......apparently:lol:

[John B]

We are in a relegation battle. No brainier.

 

We are appallingly run. No ambition in our Boardroom who have turned us in to a selling club. Players expect to leave when they peak and we are seeing that play out now. 'Operate within our means' philosophy is flawed if we wish to stay in the Premier League.

 

Only way forward is going to be a new wealthier owner and new talent to run the club. Koemans will go at the end of their contract if not.

 

I don't think we will reinforce this winter and sadly can see no chance of anything other than further asset stripping in the summer.

 

 

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Please can you explain how we are appalling run and have no ambition

 

It is all well and good spouting hysterical nonsense and suggesting the way forward is to spend loads of somebody else's money.

 

But the problem at the moment is we have a squad of pretty good players low in confidence not playing well and being inconsistent and we we have a manager who does not seem to be fully committed to the future.

 

I know what I woould do - Tell RK to get his finger out as I am sure there are other managers who could get better results with the current squad

[Golden Balls]

It would be naive to think we shouldn't be concerned. However I can't see it actually happening, and neither can the bookies.

We are on a terrible run. But runs come to an end. We are creating chances, eventually we will start to take them more regularly again. I think when Pelle returns he will have a new lease of life and the team will feed off it. We do need another striker though.

Our defence has been shaky but we do have talent there. Fonte, VVD and Bertrand. RB isn't great and I'm hoping Forster comes back like his old self. But teams that go down generally don't have that sort of quality at the back.

 

Wanyama needs to be left out. He is a much better player than he's showing this season and a spell away from the team might just kick him up the arse. If it doesn't, get rid.

 

A creative midfielder (Like Gaston was supposed to be) would be a good addition. Maybe a RM to free Mane up to move centrally.

 

My point is, a team with Forster, Bertrand, Fonte, VVD, Wanyama, Tadic, Mane, Pelle and Steven Davis will find form again and should get enough points together to at least finish mid table.

 

The summer will be crucial.

[sadoldgit]

Might have something to do with them not having lost 7 of their last 9 games. The only reason we are not currently in the relegation zone is because we picked up some points early on. That's fine and good that we did, but we show no signs of doing so on a regular basis in the near future without making some significant changes.

 

And that is what it is all about. How we fair over a whole season and not in a batch of games. If our loses had been spread across the season instead of the last few games (which included talking the mighty Arsenal apart) would the bed wetters be out in such force? You say the only reason that we are not in the relegation zone is because of the points picked up early on. Isnt that the same for all mid table clubs including Everton who have been held up as a model of how to do things properly?

[sadoldgit]

Please can you explain how we are appalling run and have no ambition

 

It is all well and good spouting hysterical nonsense and suggesting the way forward is to spend loads of somebody else's money.

 

But the problem at the moment is we have a squad of pretty good players low in confidence not playing well and being inconsistent and we we have a manager who does not seem to be fully committed to the future.

 

I know what I woould do - Tell RK to get his finger out as I am sure there are other managers who could get better results with the current squad

 

The pundits seem to think we are a very well run club, but what do they know! Thank Christ we are 13th. I don't think I could bear it if we were 14th.

[The9]

Poll please to see what people think. Are we in one?

 

For me, not yet, I think we have enough quality to be OK this season, but I fear for next season without decent signings. We're looking over our shoulders though rather than up...

 

We're nowhere near a relegation battle and will finish, at worst, in the position we are in (13th). Has everyone forgotten how dismal we were for the entire season when we actually went down? None of the teams below us (and one or two of the ones above) are as good as us. We'd need a disastrous run of injuries and suspensions to still be in the relegation equation in April.

[VectisSaint]

We're nowhere near a relegation battle and will finish, at worst, in the position we are in (13th). Has everyone forgotten how dismal we were for the entire season when we actually went down? None of the teams below us (and one or two of the ones above) are as good as us. We'd need a disastrous run of injuries and suspensions to still be in the relegation equation in April.

LOL. None of the teams below us are as bad as us, are you serious? Chelsea for example. Norwich, didn't they beat us? Bournemouth, are they really worse than us now? That just leaves Newcastle and Swansea (forget Sunderland and Villa). Can they get 7 or 5 points more than us in the remainder of the season. Well, yes on current form they probably can. Will they? Don't know, but unless we make some serious changes very soon then the odds are that they may be less bad than us.

[rallyboy]

No need to guess, reality will be established in the next two league games -

Four points or more and all is well.

Lose one, not so clever.

Lose both - it's a fricking crisis!

[ErwinK1961]

We're nowhere near a relegation battle and will finish, at worst, in the position we are in (13th). Has everyone forgotten how dismal we were for the entire season when we actually went down? None of the teams below us (and one or two of the ones above) are as good as us. We'd need a disastrous run of injuries and suspensions to still be in the relegation equation in April.

 

Hope the team don't share your attitude.

[The9]

LOL. None of the teams below us are as bad as us, are you serious? Chelsea for example. Norwich, didn't they beat us? Bournemouth, are they really worse than us now? That just leaves Newcastle and Swansea (forget Sunderland and Villa). Can they get 7 or 5 points more than us in the remainder of the season. Well, yes on current form they probably can. Will they? Don't know, but unless we make some serious changes very soon then the odds are that they may be less bad than us.

 

We beat Chelsea and they've only looked like they've improved in one match in the entire time since, we beat Bournemouth and they're not 2 goals better than they were then and we're not 2 goals worse. Newcastle we played without a couple of our early season signings having played in Europe 3 days before, and they've got far worse since too.

 

Plus we're also as good as pretty much any of the 6 sides directly above us. We'll still come somewhere between 8th and 13th, which is more or less what I said pre-season.

 

We're currently playing without our first choice right back and centre forward, with one of our best midfielders from last season barely bothering to pitch up, one fairly regular starter suspended and another one dropped for disciplinary reasons. Oh, and Rodriguez out. That will affect results for all but the very top sides.

 

Our supposedly "terrible" run of League form has included completely expected defeats to Man City and Spurs, three one goal defeats away from home to teams around us in the table, a narrow loss to Stoke at home, a 1-1 home draw with the worst team in the League... and a 4-0 win against the best team in the League.

 

In pretty much all of the narrow defeats, despite us being affected by missing players, one tiny thing going either way could have led to us getting a draw or a win rather than losing. Fine margins, and we've been unlucky almost everywhere we could have been. Can't say I'm worried about it, with the notable exception of Wanyama aside there's nothing to suggest they're not putting the effort in - at this stage big changes are likely to be much more detrimental than just having patience and waiting for the margins to swing back towards us.

Edited 4 January, 2016 by The9

[The9]

Comparing with 2005 is utterly ridiculous, we were struggling from day 1. In fact, were we higher than 17th all season? We were out the bottom 3 for about a week from November to the end of the season. There are dire, dire teams down there this season. Villa are already gone and it's January. We need 4 or 5 wins from the second half of the season. So, we've been rubbish so far, but would need to become even more rubbish and have teams below improve for us to go down.

 

Possible, but unlikely.

 

Also, in 2005 we seemed to be more likely to score.

 

We also played 4-4-2 and finished below Portsmouth, I know what I prefer.

 

We haven't been "rubbish so far" either, we've been typical mid-table so far, which is why we're mid-table. It's not as good as being 7th or 8th, but then we don't generally expect to win 11 out of 12 matches like we did last season either... when we also lost 5 in a row, which we haven't done this season.

[sadoldgit]

We beat Chelsea and they've only looked like they've improved in one match in the entire time since, we beat Bournemouth and they're not 2 goals better than they were then and we're not 2 goals worse. Newcastle we played without a couple of our early season signings having played in Europe 3 days before, and they've got far worse since too.

 

Plus we're also as good as pretty much any of the 6 sides directly above us. We'll still come somewhere between 8th and 13th, which is more or less what I said pre-season.

 

We're currently playing without our first choice right back and centre forward, with one of our best midfielders from last season barely bothering to pitch up, one fairly regular starter suspended and another one dropped for disciplinary reasons. Oh, and Rodriguez out. That will affect results for all but the very top sides.

 

Our supposedly "terrible" run of League form has included completely expected defeats to Man City and Spurs, three one goal defeats away from home to teams around us in the table, a narrow loss to Stoke at home, a 1-1 home draw with the worst team in the League... and a 4-0 win against the best team in the League.

 

In pretty much all of the narrow defeats, despite us being affected by missing players, one tiny thing going either way could have led to us getting a draw or a win rather than losing. Fine margins, and we've been unlucky almost everywhere we could have been. Can't say I'm worried about it, with the notable exception of Wanyama aside there's nothing to suggest they're not putting the effort in - at this stage big changes are likely to be much more detrimental than just having patience and waiting for the margins to swing back towards us.

 

Post of the day.

[alpine_saint]

The "great" martin samuel...the oasis of all football knowledge.......apparently:lol:

 

Take the p*ss all you want. Your opinion of Samuel notwithstanding, its not like this wasnt foreseen.

 

Funny how you and the likes of SOGGY are always in your element when the rest of the posting fanbase is down. Does it make you guys feel important when yopu are busy sneering and dismissing the worries of your fellow fans ?

[simo]

I'll give it 3 more games before I press the panic button !

[VectisSaint]

We beat Chelsea and they've only looked like they've improved in one match in the entire time since, we beat Bournemouth and they're not 2 goals better than they were then and we're not 2 goals worse. Newcastle we played without a couple of our early season signings having played in Europe 3 days before, and they've got far worse since too.

 

Plus we're also as good as pretty much any of the 6 sides directly above us. We'll still come somewhere between 8th and 13th, which is more or less what I said pre-season.

 

We're currently playing without our first choice right back and centre forward, with one of our best midfielders from last season barely bothering to pitch up, one fairly regular starter suspended and another one dropped for disciplinary reasons. Oh, and Rodriguez out. That will affect results for all but the very top sides.

 

Our supposedly "terrible" run of League form has included completely expected defeats to Man City and Spurs, three one goal defeats away from home to teams around us in the table, a narrow loss to Stoke at home, a 1-1 home draw with the worst team in the League... and a 4-0 win against the best team in the League.

 

In pretty much all of the narrow defeats, despite us being affected by missing players, one tiny thing going either way could have led to us getting a draw or a win rather than losing. Fine margins, and we've been unlucky almost everywhere we could have been. Can't say I'm worried about it, with the notable exception of Wanyama aside there's nothing to suggest they're not putting the effort in - at this stage big changes are likely to be much more detrimental than just having patience and waiting for the margins to swing back towards us.

Continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend that we are better than teams below us, even though the evidence is clear for nayone to see that it is not true Losing by an odd goal is still losing and earns zero points. We have only played well once since we played Bournemouth, and even then they completely outplayed us in the 2nd half. The thing you don't seem to take into account is that we have regressed and at the same time other teams have improved or started to improve.

 

You are of course welcome to your view. Still I guess you might be worried now that SOG has agreed with you and called your response "post of the day". Given his predilection to be contrary to everything anyone posts it is a ringing endorsement

[Fan The Flames]

Funny how you and the likes of SOGGY are always in your element when the rest of the posting fanbase is down. Does it make you guys feel important when yopu are busy sneering and dismissing the worries of your fellow fans ?

 

This, for all the students of psychology, is a classic example of transference.

[sadoldgit]

Take the p*ss all you want. Your opinion of Samuel notwithstanding, its not like this wasnt foreseen.

 

Funny how you and the likes of SOGGY are always in your element when the rest of the posting fanbase is down. Does it make you guys feel important when yopu are busy sneering and dismissing the worries of your fellow fans ?

 

Perhaps if we were in a relegation dog fight you might have a point but we are not at this point in time. We are 7 points above third from bottom and 7 points from being 7th. With one or two exceptions we have not been terrible this season and with better finishing we wouldn't be having this conversation (well some of you would). Everton has been hld up us a team we should aspire to being like. Guess what, we are 3 points away from them! You also seem to forget the total meltdown on here before a ball was kicked last season. There are a bunch of you who seem doom round every corner and you climb out of the woodwork when things are not going so well only to disappear again when they do. If there is any sneering then it is because there are some who do not seem to enjoy finding things to ***** about. And when you say the rest of the fanbase is down I think you will find that it is only the bedwetters who are down. The rest of us realise that being midtable is nothing to slit your wrists about and are looking forward to better results rather than spending time predicting the worse.

[sadoldgit]

This, for all the students of psychology, is a classic example of transference.

 

Sadly the irony is completely lost on Alps.

[sadoldgit]

Continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend that we are better than teams below us, even though the evidence is clear for nayone to see that it is not true Losing by an odd goal is still losing and earns zero points. We have only played well once since we played Bournemouth, and even then they completely outplayed us in the 2nd half. The thing you don't seem to take into account is that we have regressed and at the same time other teams have improved or started to improve.

 

You are of course welcome to your view. Still I guess you might be worried now that SOG has agreed with you and called your response "post of the day". Given his predilection to be contrary to everything anyone posts it is a ringing endorsement

 

Thanks for the name check but I suspect that he would be more worried if he found that he was agreeing with your posts. And I do love the phrase "contrary to everything anyone posts" having just said that I have agreed with something he wrote. Isnt that a bit of a, erm, contradiction?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Take the p*ss all you want. Your opinion of Samuel notwithstanding, its not like this wasnt foreseen.

 

Funny how you and the likes of SOGGY are always in your element when the rest of the posting fanbase is down. Does it make you guys feel important when yopu are busy sneering and dismissing the worries of your fellow fans ?

 

Ha ha ha ha ... i dont dismiss peoples opinion i comment on it and just get sick of the doom and gloom, woe is me and the slagging of players and staff,

those they were praising when results were better.

 

The opinion of everything is s hite, were are getting relegated, player x is useless (now), the manager has lost it, the board are fools is ok if thats the individuals opinion but why oh why does

it have to be posted over and over again....day in day out...

[ALWAYS_SFC]

We beat Chelsea and they've only looked like they've improved in one match in the entire time since, we beat Bournemouth and they're not 2 goals better than they were then and we're not 2 goals worse. Newcastle we played without a couple of our early season signings having played in Europe 3 days before, and they've got far worse since too.

 

Plus we're also as good as pretty much any of the 6 sides directly above us. We'll still come somewhere between 8th and 13th, which is more or less what I said pre-season.

 

We're currently playing without our first choice right back and centre forward, with one of our best midfielders from last season barely bothering to pitch up, one fairly regular starter suspended and another one dropped for disciplinary reasons. Oh, and Rodriguez out. That will affect results for all but the very top sides.

 

Our supposedly "terrible" run of League form has included completely expected defeats to Man City and Spurs, three one goal defeats away from home to teams around us in the table, a narrow loss to Stoke at home, a 1-1 home draw with the worst team in the League... and a 4-0 win against the best team in the League.

 

In pretty much all of the narrow defeats, despite us being affected by missing players, one tiny thing going either way could have led to us getting a draw or a win rather than losing. Fine margins, and we've been unlucky almost everywhere we could have been. Can't say I'm worried about it, with the notable exception of Wanyama aside there's nothing to suggest they're not putting the effort in - at this stage big changes are likely to be much more detrimental than just having patience and waiting for the margins to swing back towards us.

 

This post should be made compulsory reading....spot on

[ally_uk]

I don't care what anybody thinks or slates me for this I seriously do not rate Koeman, shoot me down for saying this but I just cannot understand the mans tactical decisions sometimes why are we not giving players like Harry Reed a run out?

 

To much dross in this team currently we have essentially sold steak and have replaced with hamburgers.... give players time to adjust? that is all well but we will be in the championship at this rate. It's time to show a bit of ambition and lay down a bit of money and bring in some quality reinforcements you can see why players will continue to have there heads turned as soon as the big boys come sniffing, You gotta be realistic other clubs around us have shown greater ambition with there transfers.

 

Either that or something is currently wrong with the way we are setup / playing. Can't we somehow replicate how Leicester play?

 

I am not being hysterical this season so far has been a bit rubbish as fans we have right to expect a bit more.....I am fed up of us raking in money from selling the core of our team each season to replace with players that either need to adjust and never get there... or players who massively under-perform. The whole Europe thing what was the point in us attaining a place? we fielded such a rubbish team again showing no ambition / underestimating opposition.

 

Why we didn't lay out decent money and get Charlie Austin in at the start of the season? is beyond me...... prove goal scorer would take the pressure off Pelle who goes through spells without scoring didn't anyone at the club see we needed more firepower?

 

It's just baffling........

[rooney]

Ah yes, I remember Martin Samuel.Was'nt he the so called journalist that Rupert Lowe sued the *rse off cause he had written something defamatory.

[sadoldgit]

Ha ha ha ha ... i dont dismiss peoples opinion i comment on it and just get sick of the doom and gloom, woe is me and the slagging of players and staff,

those they were praising when results were better.

 

The opinion of everything is s hite, were are getting relegated, player x is useless (now), the manager has lost it, the board are fools is ok if thats the individuals opinion but why oh why does

it have to be posted over and over again....day in day out...

 

People seem to forget that we played plenty of matches last year when we were good in one half and poor in the other, but we got away with it whereas this season we haven't. There is a fine line between success and failure and we wont know until the end of the season where we figure on that spectrum, but to write us off as a failure at this point of the season and when we are 13th is somewhat previous.

[ally_uk]

It's not doom and gloom so far we just have been massively underwhelming in terms of how we have played and transfers........ Les Reed / Board raking in the dollar bills selling quality but have replaced with crap....

[Forester]

I am one of those generally positive posters and certainly not a critic of Ron and the Board. But I think it is foolish to write off a relegation battle.

 

We need to pick up a win each month, including May. I think the two home games this month are huge. A month ago I would have expected us to win both - now I would happily buy one win against either WBA or Watford. If you assume we get nothing at Old Trafford, failure to win either of these home games I think will see us within three points of the drop zone, or worse.

 

When things are that tight, it becomes less about quality and more about confidence and resilience and I am not sure our team, as attractive on the ball as we are, are cut out for that type of battle.

 

So on balance I think we will be ok, but if January doesn't go well.......

[sadoldgit]

It's not doom and gloom so far we just have been massively underwhelming in terms of how we have played and transfers........ Les Reed / Board raking in the dollar bills selling quality but have replaced with crap....

 

Van Dijk, Clasie, Soares all Internationals. Are they really crap?

[sadoldgit]

I am one of those generally positive posters and certainly not a critic of Ron and the Board. But I think it is foolish to write off a relegation battle.

 

We need to pick up a win each month, including May. I think the two home games this month are huge. A month ago I would have expected us to win both - now I would happily buy one win against either WBA or Watford. If you assume we get nothing at Old Trafford, failure to win either of these home games I think will see us within three points of the drop zone, or worse.

 

When things are that tight, it becomes less about quality and more about confidence and resilience and I am not sure our team, as attractive on the ball as we are, are cut out for that type of battle.

 

So on balance I think we will be ok, but if January doesn't go well.......

 

It is one thing to write off a relegation battle, it is another to say, or behave if, we are in one right now.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

It's not doom and gloom so far we just have been massively underwhelming in terms of how we have played and transfers........ Les Reed / Board raking in the dollar bills selling quality but have replaced with crap....

 

Were you saying this last season......I think not

[Window Cleaner]

It's not doom and gloom so far we just have been massively underwhelming in terms of how we have played and transfers........ Les Reed / Board raking in the dollar bills selling quality but have replaced with crap....

 

It's what happens when you buy more players than you sell for the same amount of money.

[CB Fry]

We are a topic of conversation on the Five Live Monday Night Club, so probably will get fifteen minutes of discussion between now and 9pm.

[Saint IQ]

I think this season can be saved but it will have to start right now and that means staying in the FA cup and winning our next two home games in the league otherwise we really will be in a relegation battle.

Edited 4 January, 2016 by Saint IQ

[The9]

Continue to bury your head in the sand and pretend that we are better than teams below us, even though the evidence is clear for nayone to see that it is not true Losing by an odd goal is still losing and earns zero points. We have only played well once since we played Bournemouth, and even then they completely outplayed us in the 2nd half. The thing you don't seem to take into account is that we have regressed and at the same time other teams have improved or started to improve.

 

You are of course welcome to your view. Still I guess you might be worried now that SOG has agreed with you and called your response "post of the day". Given his predilection to be contrary to everything anyone posts it is a ringing endorsement

 

At the end of the season we'll be nowhere near the relegation places. That's my view. I couldn't care less who does and doesn't agree with it.

[The9]

We're slightly below mid-table in the lowest quality premier league season I can remember. We have been dire by our standards of the last few years, and lost to a long ball danish side in one of those worst and most frustrating saints performances i've seen in years.

 

A long ball Danish side which is now in the last 32 of the Europa League and won their title ahead of plenty of teams with CL experience. We'll see how Man U do against them.

[Dig Dig]

We are a topic of conversation on the Five Live Monday Night Club, so probably will get fifteen minutes of discussion between now and 9pm.

 

Anything interesting if you're listening?

[CB Fry]

Anything interesting if you're listening?

Sorry, they were still talking about Villa at 8:40 at which point I'd finished up in the kitchen and bailed out. True story.

 

At least we're not them by the way - their chief exec has been in radio interviews giving it the full Rupert saying how successful the commercial side of the business is doing and how shirt sales are up. Shambles.

[Batman]

Villa are dead and buried.

 

I think they will be down for a few years following the inevitable. Just not one thing about that set up is geared up for a quick return

[Dig Dig]

Sorry, they were still talking about Villa at 8:40 at which point I'd finished up in the kitchen and bailed out. True story.

 

At least we're not them by the way - their chief exec has been in radio interviews giving it the full Rupert saying how successful the commercial side of the business is doing and how shirt sales are up. Shambles.

 

No worries, cheers.

 

Shame for Villa, makes you wonder what planet some of these owners and execs are actually living on. Embarrassing.

[CB Fry]

Villa are dead and buried.

 

I think they will be down for a few years following the inevitable. Just not one thing about that set up is geared up for a quick return

I did think that about Newcastle too, though.

 

Depends how much Lerner is prepared to fund. If they are going back up I can't see Garde doing it, they might as well go for a meat and potatoes manager - Pearson/Steve Bruce/etc to clog and clunk them back up to the top flight like Chris Hughton did and big Sam did with WHU.

 

As it stands they look just as likely to end up in L1 in three years as being back in the Prem.

[Graffito]

Anything interesting if you're listening?

 

They had Adam Blackmore on. Supportive of Koeman. Had to make a stand with Mane. Says fans are behind Koeman and players have been up to now (think that was the tense he used). Saints at crossroads with likes of Wanyama and Koeman having 18 months on contracts. Fans he speaks to are willing to see Mane and Wayama sold as long as money spent on quality signings, and to a man they want club to invest rather than just balancing the books. Chris Sherwood thought Koeman made a mistake in dropping Mane. Always play your best players, at which point discussion highjacked by Joey Barton.

[hypochondriac]

There has to be a middle ground between balancing the books and being sensible and investing in real quality.

[Dig Dig]

They had Adam Blackmore on. Supportive of Koeman. Had to make a stand with Mane. Says fans are behind Koeman and players have been up to now (think that was the tense he used). Saints at crossroads with likes of Wanyama and Koeman having 18 months on contracts. Fans he speaks to are willing to see Mane and Wayama sold as long as money spent on quality signings, and to a man they want club to invest rather than just balancing the books. Chris Sherwood thought Koeman made a mistake in dropping Mane. Always play your best players, at which point discussion highjacked by Joey Barton.

 

Thank you sir

[Jackie@home]

Pundits contradicted themselves by saying you must not sell your best players, but that you couldn't blame the players for wanting to go to teams like Man U. Well, what are you supposed to do, when our supposedly best players start causing trouble and play at 50%? Shame they weren't pinned down to answering that question!

[Lets B Avenue]

They had Adam Blackmore on. Supportive of Koeman. Had to make a stand with Mane. Says fans are behind Koeman and players have been up to now (think that was the tense he used). Saints at crossroads with likes of Wanyama and Koeman having 18 months on contracts. Fans he speaks to are willing to see Mane and Wayama sold as long as money spent on quality signings, and to a man they want club to invest rather than just balancing the books. Chris Sherwood thought Koeman made a mistake in dropping Mane. Always play your best players, at which point discussion highjacked by Joey Barton.

 

PEDANT ALERT!

 

Chris Sutton.

[williamthesaint]

We'll know exactly where we are if we lose to west brom and Watford. Palace in the cup....bit worried we'll just get embarrassed. Relegation? Maybe but I think we're better placed as a club financially than our previous relegation. Plus if we mess this season up i.e relegation then presumably that 5 year plan is truly out the window. It's all happening so quickly. I can't see how this is happening though. Yes Wanyama is a particularly nasty stain on the dressing room and yes Mane is a money grabbing child but that's 2 players. 2 children spitting out their dummies doesn't constitute a meltdown or at least transfer it so dramatically onto the pitch. So perhaps with that in mind, maybe Ronald is losing more of the dressing room? Let's not forget how ruthless he has been after certain performances. For some he has taken the blame, Liverpool springs to mind. But he has blasted the team publicly. If we're now in a dog fight the harsh words need to be coloured with far more constructive criticism. But I do believe in Ronnie boy!

 

 

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Chris Sutton.

 

Yeah I knew it was wrong but I just couldn't remember the ***** surname so I just put Sherwood because he played for Blackburn as well and I knew everyone would know who I meant. Chris Sherwood. Tim Sutton. Same difference.