Roger Posted 31 December, 2015 Share Posted 31 December, 2015 Thoughts? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-boss-ronald-koeman-fires-7099481 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 31 December, 2015 Share Posted 31 December, 2015 Alex crook again making something out of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 31 December, 2015 Share Posted 31 December, 2015 Seems pretty clear tbh. If he goes it's because he reckons we lack ambition. If he signs an extension then he's confident that he'll get £££'s to spend. This replicates his 'I'm not a project coach' interview recently. I've got no problem with that - the man's got ambition and only wants to stick around if the club do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2015 Seems pretty clear tbh. If he goes it's because he reckons we lack ambition. If he signs an extension then he's confident that he'll get £££'s to spend. This replicates his 'I'm not a project coach' interview recently. I've got no problem with that - the man's got ambition and only wants to stick around if the club do as well. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 31 December, 2015 Share Posted 31 December, 2015 Seems pretty clear tbh. If he goes it's because he reckons we lack ambition. If he signs an extension then he's confident that he'll get £££'s to spend. This replicates his 'I'm not a project coach' interview recently. I've got no problem with that - the man's got ambition and only wants to stick around if the club do as well. Same as Pochetinno then. I wonder if our fans will all turn against him when he leaves too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 31 December, 2015 Share Posted 31 December, 2015 Watch the interview on youtube. It's nothing like the article. He is happy here. He sees ambition and expects that to continue. Still too early to discuss new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Guess unlike some on here. Ron wants some money spent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Guess unlike some on here. Ron wants some money spent Who on here doesn't want any money spent? Stick the quotes up. And Of course Koeman does. Most managers want as much money to spend as possible. They're not directly concerned with long term financial planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Football is a business, for fans it's a passion.......fora company to grow you must speculate.... speculate to accumulate. we ae doing OK not brilliant but we are avoiding the trap of over spending, if we can find a couple of gems, and keep our accademy churning we will be fine. just need to get to a level where we can keep hold of our best, might take a while, but i think we will be ok, happy new year! Saints Army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Guess it means we won't be seeing many from the academy coming through if RK stays. And there I was thinking that he told everyone that he liked to bring through the youngsters like Poch did. Well, he hasn't and it looks like he won't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Koeman has just given a reply to a question that every manager would say when responding. Alex Crookof****e has simply tried to sensationalize the whole thing. When ANY manager is going to sign a renewed contract many factors will decide that outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Guess it means we won't be seeing many from the academy coming through if RK stays. And there I was thinking that he told everyone that he liked to bring through the youngsters like Poch did. Well, he hasn't and it looks like he won't either. How have you arrived at that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Guess it means we won't be seeing many from the academy coming through if RK stays. And there I was thinking that he told everyone that he liked to bring through the youngsters like Poch did. Well, he hasn't and it looks like he won't either. Who from the academy would you have bought through? From the games I have seen and that's quite a few none are of the quality of the previous lot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Koeman has just given a reply to a question that every manager would say when responding. Alex Crookof****e has simply tried to sensationalize the whole thing. When ANY manager is going to sign a renewed contract many factors will decide that outcome. not sure what Crook has done wrong here. Koeman is quoted in saying he will stay IF the ambition and money to spend and grow remains. which is fair enough really. He is almost saying, sign me up to the saints board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Stay after the 18 months he has left is what he says. I am sure he said something similar in his first interview after taking the job. We will sell Wanyama. He will have 12 months left on his contract & he will double his salary. I for one, would not want bust the wage structure to keep him. I simply can't see us paying £100k pw for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Guess unlike some on here. Ron wants some money spent Are you Turkish in disguise?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 As Mowgll said watch the saints RK video , very refreshing Crook is just **** stirring as usual . That's what he does best Steven Caulker is staying according to the video , yet the newspapers are reporting that he has had his contract terminated early . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Batman The story crook has written is old regurgitated news . RK was asked that question several months ago and all crook is doing is reporting what RK said back then . It is not something new he has said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2016 It's in the echo and its extended on there. Nothing to do with Alex crook. He's obviously said what he's said and he's dead right. Either the board need to spend more on transfers and wages otherwise we aren't going to progress. It's not like the academy is flourishing is it? Katerina has done very well the club but now to move on I feel we are going to need extra investment as in the premier league if you stand still you actually drop. We haven't just stood still we have got quite a bit worse by selling our best 3 players last summer obv Toby was on loan but we lost him. No club has lost 9 first team players as we have in the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Batman The story crook has written is old regurgitated news . RK was asked that question several months ago and all crook is doing is reporting what RK said back then . It is not something new he has said the main piece was by Adam Leitch. The Echo chief sports writer. And quoted from yesterday by Koeman so it is clearly a new thing he has said in that he is reminding the club where he stands other than that. Just made up mumbo jumbo from the media with little better to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2016 http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14176304.Koeman_future_to_be_decided_by_Southampton_ambition/?ref=mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Thoughts? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-boss-ronald-koeman-fires-7099481 I stopped reading when I saw who wrote the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 January, 2016 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2016 I stopped reading when I saw who wrote the article. It's in the echo by their journalist Adam Leich as I've just shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 I don't think it tells us anything we didn't already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 I stopped reading when I saw who wrote the article. the echo chief writer in an interview with the manager. with plenty of quotes yeah, made up rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 (edited) Batman The story crook has written is old regurgitated news . RK was asked that question several months ago and all crook is doing is reporting what RK said back then . It is not something new he has said Still waging your one man crusade against BBC scum, Adam Blackmore, Vikes? Edited 1 January, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 As Ronald would say himself, "It's difficult". The Manchester clubs and Arsenal have huge capacity stadiums; Spuds and Chelsea are constructing them in the near future; West Ham have been given one by us , the taxpayer; and that is six clubs already with far greater spending power than us. Add the Liverpool clubs and a top ten finish for the likes of us, Stoke, Palace etc is realistically as good as it gets . Is that a lack of ambition, or should the club be extending St Marys to becoming the top club for the shires south of Birmingham ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 So the same situation as Poch then ? Wonder if Koeman gets the same vitriol, we could do without losing another good coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Has Koeman not been backed by the club then? I'm struggling to think of a manager who has been allowed to sign so many players that are clearly his choices in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 So the same situation as Poch then ? Wonder if Koeman gets the same vitriol, we could do without losing another good coach Not really the same situation based simply on that interview. And it all depends how Koeman leaves and manages his exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 "Ronald Koeman: Southampton must splash the cash... or I'm off" "Southampton boss Ronald Koeman fires warning shot at club chiefs over his Saints future" ha aha Alex Crook of ****e at his finest, the only embarassing thing is despite numerous scummy comments from him hes still allowed anywhere near Southampton FC Utter sensationalist drivel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 As Ronald would say himself, "It's difficult". The Manchester clubs and Arsenal have huge capacity stadiums; Spuds and Chelsea are constructing them in the near future; West Ham have been given one by us , the taxpayer; and that is six clubs already with far greater spending power than us. Add the Liverpool clubs and a top ten finish for the likes of us, Stoke, Palace etc is realistically as good as it gets . Is that a lack of ambition, or should the club be extending St Marys to becoming the top club for the shires south of Birmingham ? There's also the misfiring big clubs, Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa to name a few who have bigger stadiums and possibly fan base therefore the potential for more commercial income? I think Palace are also looking at expansion of their stadium. Although match day income isn't as important as it was previously given the sky money, it's still got to impact? As you say really difficult! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Has Koeman not been backed by the club then? I'm struggling to think of a manager who has been allowed to sign so many players that are clearly his choices in a long time. Exactly this. We are a Ronald Koeman team from front to back to bench. And he's had far more to spend assembling said team than, say, Claudio Ranieri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 "Ronald Koeman: Southampton must splash the cash... or I'm off" "Southampton boss Ronald Koeman fires warning shot at club chiefs over his Saints future" ha aha Alex Crook of ****e at his finest, the only embarassing thing is despite numerous scummy comments from him hes still allowed anywhere near Southampton FC Utter sensationalist drivel Those who write the copy for the newspaper do not write the headlines or even the stand first. That's done by the newspaper's own sub-editors, at their offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Those who write the copy for the newspaper do not write the headlines or even the stand first. That's done by the newspaper's own sub-editors, at their offices. But they still copy the article from another source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 But they still copy the article from another source? Sorry, I don't understand the question...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 As Koeman says , the really good players won't come to Southampton. Thats it in a nutshell . Either the board invest in a higher quality player or we will simply drop down the league like a stone . Maybe not this season but we will be left behind Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Batman The story crook has written is old regurgitated news . RK was asked that question several months ago and all crook is doing is reporting what RK said back then . It is not something new he has said Typical deluded fan believing what they want to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 As Koeman says , the really good players won't come to Southampton. Thats it in a nutshell . Either the board invest in a higher quality player or we will simply drop down the league like a stone . Maybe not this season but we will be left behind Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Well, it could be this season. Our current form is dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 As Koeman says , the really good players won't come to Southampton. Thats it in a nutshell . Either the board invest in a higher quality player or we will simply drop down the league like a stone . Maybe not this season but we will be left behind Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk ermmmm ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 As Koeman says , the really good players won't come to Southampton. Thats it in a nutshell . Either the board invest in a higher quality player or we will simply drop down the league like a stone . Maybe not this season but we will be left behind Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Of course really good players can come to saints. If palace and Stoke can sign cabeye, Bojan and shaquiri. Then so can we, I'd like to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 ermmmm ...... You're confused ? When was the last time Saints bought a top class player ? The type of player who can change a game ? We have developed good players yes but they then get sold off . Osvaldo was desperate and still didn't want to come . I agree with Koemans quote . Seems odd you're confused Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Of course really good players can come to saints. If palace and Stoke can sign cabeye, Bojan and shaquiri. Then so can we, I'd like to think I think Koemans point is that we won't pay whats required . Its a choice the board make . Of course we have the means . We just don't have the desire . Anyway thats my 3 posts for the night . Enjoy ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 You're confused ? When was the last time Saints bought a top class player ? The type of player who can change a game ? We have developed good players yes but they then get sold off . Osvaldo was desperate and still didn't want to come . I agree with Koemans quote . Seems odd you're confused Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Lambert.... (different level granted) I am confused because you say we need to sign quality players but you also say they won't come to saints.... so we're a bit ****ed aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 I think Koemans point is that we won't pay whats required . Its a choice the board make . Of course we have the means . We just don't have the desire . Anyway thats my 3 posts for the night . Enjoy �� Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Now that's a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 Of course really good players can come to saints. If palace and Stoke can sign cabeye, Bojan and shaquiri. Then so can we, I'd like to think Yeah, your idea of a really good player and RKs is somewhat different I suspect. He's talking about the likes of Messi and Bale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 You're confused ? When was the last time Saints bought a top class player ? The type of player who can change a game ? We have developed good players yes but they then get sold off . Osvaldo was desperate and still didn't want to come . I agree with Koemans quote . Seems odd you're confused Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Mane is a top class player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 I think Koemans point is that we won't pay whats required . Its a choice the board make . Of course we have the means . We just don't have the desire . Anyway thats my 3 posts for the night . Enjoy ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Tend to agree - ok, so maybe we got in to more debt than the owner wanted and scaled back for a while (which is fair enough), but that should be over now, unless KL wants all her investment back (which does not make sense, as why would she convert the loan to equity in that case?). Anyway, it seems that football (particularly PL) is not a vehicle for ROI (return on investment), so she either does it for the love of football/Saints (very much doubt it), or her father or son. Otherwise the best way is to sell at a profit and consider it a fun ride. There are a lot better and safer ways to get ROI than investing in a PL club, so if that is the motivation (which I am not sure it is) then sell wisely and move on - no true SFC fan will think badly of you, and will always be grateful to your father. I am not suggesting we over stretch our selves, but we need to invest whatever we can back in to the club to keep progressing, and make a modest profit. So if you don't love football and Saints why would you do it? Who knows maybe KL/son have really fallen in love with our club, but not sure myself. Exactly this. We are a Ronald Koeman team from front to back to bench. And he's had far more to spend assembling said team than, say, Claudio Ranieri. And to this point - players bought (since his arrival) maybe RK's sole choice (which I doubt), but when you ask to buy a Ferrari and get given the budget for a Fiat, what are you supposed to do? It is now openly accepted that we are on a bottom four budget and only club to have profited from player transfers - how do you expect to attract even average PL players on that basis? The piper calls the tune of course, but let's not expect it to be the Christmas #1 single! Oh - and as for Leicester, let's just see how they do next year and the year after, after the big boys get used to their style of play. We had a very good 1st/2nd season in PL as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 I think Koemans point is that we won't pay whats required . Its a choice the board make . Of course we have the means . We just don't have the desire . Anyway thats my 3 posts for the night . Enjoy ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Tend to agree - ok, so maybe we got in to more debt than the owner wanted and scaled back for a while (which is fair enough), but that should be over now, unless KL wants all her investment back (which does not make sense, as why would she convert the loan to equity in that case?). Anyway, it seems that football (particularly PL) is not a vehicle for ROI (return on investment), so she either does it for the love of football/Saints (very much doubt it), or her father or son. Otherwise the best way is to sell at a profit and consider it a fun ride. There are a lot better and safer ways to get ROI than investing in a PL club, so if that is the motivation (which I am not sure it is) then sell wisely and move on - no true SFC fan will think badly of you, and will always be grateful to your father. I am not suggesting we over stretch our selves, but we need to invest whatever we can back in to the club to keep progressing, and make a modest profit. So if you don't love football and Saints why would you do it? Who knows maybe KL/son have really fallen in love with our club, but not sure myself. Exactly this. We are a Ronald Koeman team from front to back to bench. And he's had far more to spend assembling said team than, say, Claudio Ranieri. And to this point - players bought (since his arrival) maybe RK's sole choice (which I doubt), but when you ask to buy a Ferrari and get given the budget for a Fiat, what are you supposed to do? It is now openly accepted that we are on a bottom four budget and only club to have profited from player transfers - how do you expect to attract even average PL players on that basis? The piper calls the tune of course, but let's not expect it to be the Christmas #1 single! Oh - and as for Leicester, let's just see how they do next year and the year after, after the big boys get used to their style of play. We had a very good 1st/2nd season in PL as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 1 January, 2016 Share Posted 1 January, 2016 http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14176304.Koeman_future_to_be_decided_by_Southampton_ambition/?ref=mac If you actually read that "interview" carefully I would suggest The Echo didnt even speak to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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