Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Disappointing result after taking the lead. However, if you'd offered me three points from the two Xmas games and an improvement of three on our goal difference I'd have snatched your hand off. I would before the Arsenal match but after it? Not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 This game shows exactly what we need next month. A first choice RB and another striker but it isn't going to happen. So disappointed with this side today. Played well in the first half but then handed them two goals in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Why are we surprised? If we had scored a 2nd goal in the first half we would have won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Agree, but no game time whatsover. Yoshida shouldn't be allowed anywhere near that team, absolute liability. If les can't see the need for a striker, pacy wideman and a creative midfielder then he needs to get his head out of his arse. What we need is a rock solid quality CDM who can play possession football... That is our number 1 Need. Then we need a fast powerful striker who can finish. Then Mane's replacement when he says adios. No point getting too down beat. We will be mid table this year and that is it. Boring and stable. But we build for the future and the next batch of kids to take us onwards again. If I was shopping Prem(ish) players, I'd get bolasie, Vardy/austin and a feck off propper CDM and I would spend big on both the striker and the CDM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Been saying it years now. Nice player yes but that position needs someone more ruthless. 10 goals from there and a lot of games turn out differently. 10 goals from a midfield only comes from a top top playeR unless you find a 'Mahrez' (whos a winger anyway) 2014/15: Silva and Hazard had more than 10. Chadli? He had 10. Mata/Gerrard=9 2013/14: Ramsey had 10, Lallana 9, Yaya Toure had 20. 2012/13: Cazorla 12, Fellaini 11 I guess goals don't tell the story, ofc not. I'd like someone who can score a free kick ffs- it's almost 2 years since we've scored one (Lambert vs Stoke February 2014). JWP- yet to see it. VVD- jurys out- failed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Calum Chambers would be a great January move if there's any truth in those rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 - Started with high intensity - Went 1-0 up - Playing very well - Wasted chances - Could've gone in 4-0 at HT - Couldn't keep the intensity up - (understandable) - Dropped deeper - Committed more fouls - Freak goal for 1-1 - Tap in off the bar after poor defending for 2-1 - Game over Could've been resolved by being more prolific in front of goal first half. On to Norwich, now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Disappointing result after taking the lead. However, if you'd offered me three points from the two Xmas games and an improvement of three on our goal difference I'd have snatched your hand off. You do realise pragmatism is frowned upon on here....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 It's games like this that make you realise if we want to push on as a club Steven Davis just isn't quite there in terms of ability. Massive missed chance and then if he had played decent ball to long when one on one we'd have won. Now I realise that you have it in for Davis, but it seems to have escaped your notice that he isn't a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Over and over again this season we haven't taken advantage when we were on top. Without Morgan our defence isn't as water tight as last season so not scoring is killing us because we will **** up at the back at least once a game. When was the last time we had a goal threat from central midfield? The championship? We need our central midfield to contribute more goals they are **** poor in that department and have been for a few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 You will have to explain that one. Probably best if I don't. Humour was never one of my most prevalent traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 why are we so poor in the 2nd half of so many games? West Ham have been decimated with injuries yet just powered themselves to a win You can look at their goals and think they were very lucky. 1st Vic snacked it at Antonio. And the second the deflection off the bar could have gone anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Or rather not selling our best players year after year and so retaining the quality we need to push on. Could not agree more, but as we are incapable of that it is essential that the sale proceeds do not get reinvested on crap, unproven players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Ran out of steam 2nd half Should have killed the game 1st half though And 2 of the most luckiest goal I be seen in a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Could not agree more, but as we are incapable of that it is essential that the sale proceeds do not get reinvested on crap, unproven players. Does that, therefore, exclude Pelle, Tadic, Mane, Bertrand, and VvD ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Along with players such as Ramirez and Yoshida from previous transfer windows, Saints have signed to many average players over the last couple of windows. We have quality, but not enough quality outside our best 11. You CANT keep selling your best players and get away with it. It WILL bite us in the arse eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffnut Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Should have been out of sight at half time but yet again missed good chances. A poor shadow of the team that beat Arsenal so can only think that some of the players were tired, the rest were just crap, including the manager's tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Now I realise that you have it in for Davis, but it seems to have escaped your notice that he isn't a striker. I don't have it in for Davis. He's a workhorse and does well with ability he has. But he does play as an attacking mid most of time so should be making and scoring a lot more imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Also vvd has to react quicker after the ball hits the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 It's games like this that make you realise if we want to push on as a club Steven Davis just isn't quite there in terms of ability. Massive missed chance and then if he had played decent ball to long when one on one we'd have won. ********, first half he was driving us on when we were playing some great stuff. As has already been said, a very disappointing second half; poor substitutions - Ramirez ffs; a decent right back and another forward required desperately. Thank god it's only a two hour trip home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 (edited) Got to taake chances when on top, which we never do. Few midfield players who are really capable of scoring. Thats why we lost, failure to capitalise on our good spells. People talking about bringing Clasie on but its plainly clear that physically he is struggling with the pace of the league - he cannot do 2 games in 3 days, even as a sub. He cramped after 65mins of a game with a week rest beforehand FFS. Most teams today picked their influential CMs who played two days ago. We couldn't. Also, Martina showed why he never plays. Edited 28 December, 2015 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Poor result. Could and should have won the game in the first half. Subs in the second half showed, yet again, that we need a much stronger squad to survive in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 (edited) While it was a dominant first half -thanks in part to our intensity (unsustainable) and in part to a s**t and injury-plagued Wham performance- don't think we were truly dangerous. We never looked like scoring in the 2nd half. Suggested we're not capable of playing with Long up top on a consistent basis, as the first instinct, especially when we're short of confidence, is to go long and throw cross after cross into the box. Edited 28 December, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Robbed we should have at least left with a point, again koeman proves he is useless at substitutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Disappointing result in the end today, but as others have said we needed to take those chances when we were on top. Bilic obviously deserves some credit for mixing it up at half time too. If we can beat Norwich then that is 6 points over the Xmas period which shouldn't be sniffed at by any means. Hopefully we can kick on in the New Year as 5th to 7th are really up for grabs this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Is it too critical to be critical of Jose for their first? Martina nods the ball on for Antonio, obviously, but I think Jose should be facing him up immediately, rather than backing off and creating all manner of angles for Antonio. He (Antonio) picks the ball up outside the area, and isn't challenged until he's parallel with the 6 yard box. All within seconds, so it's instinctive, but I'd have thought it more instinctive to keep a player away from the goal mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Disappointing result in the end today, but as others have said we needed to take those chances when we were on top. Bilic obviously deserves some credit for mixing it up at half time too. If we can beat Norwich then that is 6 points over the Xmas period which shouldn't be sniffed at by any means. Hopefully we can kick on in the New Year as 5th to 7th are really up for grabs this season. We will not be finishing in the top 7. Be lucky with top half this season. Enough sides better than saints who will fight it out for Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Got to taake chances when on top, which we never do. Few midfield players who are really capable of scoring. Thats why we lost, failure to capitalise on our good spells. People talking about bringing Clasie on but its plainly clear that physically he is struggling with the pace of the league - he cannot do 2 games in 3 days, even as a sub. He cramped after 65mins of a game with a week rest beforehand FFS. Most teams today picked their influential CMs who played two days ago. We couldn't. Also, Martina showed why he never plays. Yep this is all true, our finishing and lack of midfield goal scorers will always haunt us and Koeman has got to address that sooner (ie Jan) rather than later (the summer). I don't buy this "we were tired today" lark as West Ham were in the same boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Taking my Saints blinkers off West Ham played a blinder in the 2nd half, after being completely out played in the 1st half brought on Carroll and Lanzini at half time (typical both just back from injury ala Sturridge!!) then had tactics spot on press and press until got the lead then sat back to defend the lead. Unlike alot on here I don't think that most of our players are cr ap in one match and brilliant the next but our team many times this season have 'run scared' when put under pressure and look like conceding easily i.e. we can totally dominate for 45 mins and score 1 or 0 oand other teams 'turn up the wick' for 20 mins and score more than we do. The scoring gods were with the opposition today but we brought it on ourselves by again panicking and making mistakes in defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Never seen us dominate a game away from home in the first half like we did .......cracking football at times but as usual didn't make our pressure and chances tell.....2nd half run out of steam ..Martina was fooked that's why koeman took him but him and Yoshida are really not that good and that's being polite! Desperate for a right back and striker in January . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I don't have it in for Davis. He's a workhorse and does well with ability he has. But he does play as an attacking mid most of time so should be making and scoring a lot more imo. Well he was instrumental in 2 goals on Saturday and was player of the month for the goals he scored last month. Really trying to blame Davis for today is pretty stupid, more what is expected of the Davis haters, Derry and Verlaine who wouldn't be able to distinguish an ass from an elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Strange how our often opponents seem to have a player returning from injury whose first game back is against Saints, and subsequently plays a decisive part in our defeat. Add Carroll to Sturridge's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Had we played tonight's selection one week after our last game I doubt we'd have failed to win the game. The players were knackered and none more than Martina who can't be written off on tonight's showing. The guy gave his all against Arsenal despite not playing for months and I can accept her wasn't on the same level tonight. Bringing on Maya completely threw the formation off balance. Ramirez couldn't have put in a worse performance. He was absolutely atrocious and must have used the occasion to two finger us all. I've been hoping he'd been given a chance for a while but he really let us down. Funnily he looked more bulky when he came on and must have been body building. No matter, it counted for absolutely nothing. This was a game where the likes of Reed would have turned in a top performance, have had the energy so greatly missing in the second half. JWP and Clasie must have been in a fair old state when Koeman didn't use them. Today's match less than 48 hours after Arsenal was an exception and doesn't come about often. Still, better substitutions in response to West Hams half time changes, may have won us the 3 points. A sad ending to 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Well he was instrumental in 2 goals on Saturday and was player of the month for the goals he scored last month. Really trying to blame Davis for today is pretty stupid, more what is expected of the Davis haters, Derry and Verlaine who wouldn't be able to distinguish an ass from an elbow. As usual you have to resort to insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 central midfielders preferably attacking who know how to score. I think Davis has been awesome this year for us but he still has only scored 2 goals in 1.5 seasons so far and jwp the FEC has 1 goal which is a penalty. Look what Eriksen (Ajax - Eredevisie product) does for spurs and he cost like 10mil. Rather than create problems create solutions so I'd like to see this guys come in, Hakim Ziyech, scored 10 from AM so far this season for Twente. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I've always had a soft spot for Gaston but on this evenings showing I think he has played his last Saints game If you start big Vic and Romeo then you should have Harrison Reed on the bench Ref was sh*t as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I've always had a soft spot for Gaston but on this evenings showing I think he has played his last Saints game If you start big Vic and Romeo then you should have Harrison Reed on the bench Ref was sh*t as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 After the Lord Mayors show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 We should have buried them in the first half! They were dire and yet we allowed them to grab the initiative. Really, we grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I've always had a soft spot for Gaston but on this evenings showing I think he has played his last Saints game If you start big Vic and Romeo then you should have Harrison Reed on the bench Ref was sh*t as usual what did he do wrong? allowed a fair bit to go and was pretty fair to both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 (edited) As usual you have to resort to insults. Edited 28 December, 2015 by VectisSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I don't know what was more annoying today . Having to work , listening to Dave ****ing Merrington & that other plum , the half bakes who text in afterwards , or reading some of the comments on here . I can't comment on the game , as I didn't see it , but my take on it is this . 3 points out of Arsenal & today is ok . We are ( like West Ham ) in the 7-18 band of clubs and are pretty inconsistent . There's no point in harking on about Morgan or Toby & no point in thinking we're going to " push on" and spend money in Jan .We spend sensibly & buy mid table type players , sometimes you get lucky & these type of players flourish , but in the main they'll get you mid table . They are honest hard working pros , but they will deliver results and inconsistency like today . We shouldn't get too down and complain that we didn't play like we did against Arsenal , just enjoy The Arsenal days when they come along . Palace , Stoke & Leicester will be just as inconsistent as us over the next 5 years , it's just their turn to peak this year . What do people think that we were going to be the " best of the rest " season after season or were going to join the elite clubs? Let's just be thankful we're not Sunderland , Villia or Newcastle and not run or managed like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Well he was instrumental in 2 goals on Saturday and was player of the month for the goals he scored last month. Really trying to blame Davis for today is pretty stupid, more what is expected of the Davis haters, Derry and Verlaine who wouldn't be able to distinguish an ass from an elbow. An ass is a donkey or even a poster on here and an elbow can be any number of things. I hope that helps. Davis had for him one of his better games as he did against Arsenal however an earlier pass rather than a half hit lob into the keepers hands might have been more effective as would hitting the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I don't know what was more annoying today . Having to work , listening to Dave ****ing Merrington & that other plum , the half bakes who text in afterwards , or reading some of the comments on here . I can't comment on the game , as I didn't see it , but my take on it is this . 3 points out of Arsenal & today is ok . We are ( like West Ham ) in the 7-18 band of clubs and are pretty inconsistent . There's no point in harking on about Morgan or Toby & no point in thinking we're going to " push on" and spend money in Jan .We spend sensibly & buy mid table type players , sometimes you get lucky & these type of players flourish , but in the main they'll get you mid table . They are honest hard working pros , but they will deliver results and inconsistency like today . We shouldn't get too down and complain that we didn't play like we did against Arsenal , just enjoy The Arsenal days when they come along . Palace , Stoke & Leicester will be just as inconsistent as us over the next 5 years , it's just their turn to peak this year . What do people think that we were going to be the " best of the rest " season after season or were going to join the elite clubs? Let's just be thankful we're not Sunderland , Villia or Newcastle and not run or managed like them. Exactly. Some people seem to have developed a sense of 'owing' that approaches that displayed by Man Ure's plastics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Ran out of steam 2nd half Should have killed the game 1st half though And 2 of the most luckiest goal I be seen in a long time That's about it. Too much over analysing by most posters, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I don't know what was more annoying today . Having to work , listening to Dave ****ing Merrington & that other plum , the half bakes who text in afterwards , or reading some of the comments on here . I can't comment on the game , as I didn't see it , but my take on it is this . 3 points out of Arsenal & today is ok . We are ( like West Ham ) in the 7-18 band of clubs and are pretty inconsistent . There's no point in harking on about Morgan or Toby & no point in thinking we're going to " push on" and spend money in Jan .We spend sensibly & buy mid table type players , sometimes you get lucky & these type of players flourish , but in the main they'll get you mid table . They are honest hard working pros , but they will deliver results and inconsistency like today . We shouldn't get too down and complain that we didn't play like we did against Arsenal , just enjoy The Arsenal days when they come along . Palace , Stoke & Leicester will be just as inconsistent as us over the next 5 years , it's just their turn to peak this year . What do people think that we were going to be the " best of the rest " season after season or were going to join the elite clubs? Let's just be thankful we're not Sunderland , Villia or Newcastle and not run or managed like them. Nail on head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 That's about it. Too much over analysing by most posters, as usual. Plus they had an extra half day recovery time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Annoying that we were trying to get yoshida on for about three minutes before Martina ballsed it up, And I can't understand why we didn't attack down our left flank for the last ten minutes. Jenkinson was nearly unconscious through exhaustion and couldn't move. A nippy winger would have rinsed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 I don't know what was more annoying today . Having to work , listening to Dave ****ing Merrington & that other plum , the half bakes who text in afterwards , or reading some of the comments on here . I can't comment on the game , as I didn't see it , but my take on it is this . 3 points out of Arsenal & today is ok . We are ( like West Ham ) in the 7-18 band of clubs and are pretty inconsistent . There's no point in harking on about Morgan or Toby & no point in thinking we're going to " push on" and spend money in Jan .We spend sensibly & buy mid table type players , sometimes you get lucky & these type of players flourish , but in the main they'll get you mid table . They are honest hard working pros , but they will deliver results and inconsistency like today . We shouldn't get too down and complain that we didn't play like we did against Arsenal , just enjoy The Arsenal days when they come along . Palace , Stoke & Leicester will be just as inconsistent as us over the next 5 years , it's just their turn to peak this year . What do people think that we were going to be the " best of the rest " season after season or were going to join the elite clubs? Let's just be thankful we're not Sunderland , Villia or Newcastle and not run or managed like them. Get what you are saying and over a long period there will be ups and downs. However is it really that unrealistic to feel the extent to which we have dropped off from last year is rather high? A further, similar drop next year would likely signal a good chance of relegation. Is it a bad thing to feel that this season we should really be playing better and gaining more points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Painful losing having been in front and in total control, but the substitutions were not to blame. I am not sure who was. It was more about missed opportunities, especially Davies' absolute load of toss lob when it looked easier to score or indeed to set up a colleague. I wish it wasn't today, but have to say I am glad Antonio finally got his chance at West Ham, after shining at Forrest last season and Wednesday before that. He is One of my all time favourite Saints players. Yes I know his limitations, but He showed exactly the sort of pacey powerful running with the ball that we need to get Mane doing again. Love that type of player. Despite the loss we do look to have got some of our confidence back, although West Ham look a poor side with the injuries they have, so we may not have turned the corner fully yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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