Saintandy666 Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 To get it under way after a great win! No time to rest or feel smug about wins over the Christmas period. Why is it at 5.30?
Batman Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 they have a fair few injury problems I think in all parts of their side and have been on a poor run like us recently far more confident after the drubbing we gave arsenal draw at least IMO I think it is at 1730 due to us playing at 1945 against arsenal. to give us a tiny bit extra of recovery time
Mattio Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Should be a buzzing atmosphere, I'd keep Long and Martina in, swap JWP for Romeo or Tadic depending on how much we want to push forward
Saint Matty 76 Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 I imagine he'll have to make one or two changes. Hopefully just JWP out for Tadic.
the boy from saints Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 To be fair JWP played the majority of the game in the best two performances this season (tonight and at Chelsea). He gets a lot of stick but he's obviously doing something right!?
ScepticalStan Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Normally you'd surely stick to the same XI that played tonight but obviously the fact that it'll be played less than 48 hours from the Arsenal game might force some changes. Hopefully not though. Stick with the same team if at all possible.
DanT Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 If anyone has got a spare I'll pay face price plus a pint. Danielthomas4@live.co.UK thanks guys
SuperSAINT Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Tough game as even with their injuries, they have been are tough nut to crack. I think Valencia is back for them now - and if Lanzini is back for them it's s bit of a blow. I'm guessing Romeu is a cert to start in place of Clasie?
Tom28 Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Koeman said he made 4 changes this time last season and would make more this time. The late injuries to Cedric and Pelle may change that but I'm expecting Romeu, Tadic, and Yoshida all to start.
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Bit of a shame that Clasie is still struggling physically. Cramp after 65mins is indicative of poor conditioning. Guess he won't start so Romeu comes in. Will both CBs play again? Will Martina be able to play two in two days after never starting before? Tadic could well start in place of one of the midfielders. I get the feeling Romeu and Wanyama never works from the start so perhaps Tadic in for Clasie with Davis dropping deeper alongside Vic?
Batman Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Can't see why martins needs to come out? Can see tadic and rom coming in mind
DuncanRG Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Think Cedric would probably come back in if he were fit. Might even see Targett given a run out for Bertrand, even if it's off the bench. Interested to see whether we stick to this 442, as West Ham do get a lot of joy out wide.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Can some "expert" predict a thrashing as its always on the money
Roger Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Bit of a shame that Clasie is still struggling physically. Cramp after 65mins is indicative of poor conditioning. Guess he won't start so Romeu comes in. Will both CBs play again? Will Martina be able to play two in two days after never starting before? Tadic could well start in place of one of the midfielders. I get the feeling Romeu and Wanyama never works from the start so perhaps Tadic in for Clasie with Davis dropping deeper alongside Vic? Looking at clasie career he hasn't struggled with injuries. Cramp isn't definitely poor conditioning tho. Also, if you have had cramp no reason you can't recover in a couple of days.
SuperSAINT Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Looking at clasie career he hasn't struggled with injuries. Cramp isn't definitely poor conditioning tho. Also, if you have had cramp no reason you can't recover in a couple of days. One of our Dutch friends on here pointed out that conditioning / fitness would be a problem for him.
DuncanRG Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 (edited) I've just twigged that we'll go ninth (even eighth) if we win this game, with only Liverpool still to play. Everton and Stoke are playing each other so we'd leapfrog one of them regardless of the result. Anything other than a win and we stay 12th, so time to put ourselves back in the hunt! Edited 27 December, 2015 by DuncanRG
SuperSAINT Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 I've just twigged that we'll go ninth (even eighth) if we win this game, with only Liverpool still to play. Everton and Stoke are playing each other so we'd leapfrog one of them regardless of the result. Anything other than a win and we stay 12th, so time to put ourselves back in the hunt! It's going to be tough - I think we should go for Vic & Romeu in this game. Song / Kouyate are a couple of units we need to deal with in central midfield.
hasper57saint Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Anyone think We'll need that little bit of physicality we showed yesterday? Wet spam can be niggling but so too can we at last.COYS. Repeat yesterday please.
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 It's going to be tough - I think we should go for Vic & Romeu in this game. Song / Kouyate are a couple of units we need to deal with in central midfield. When we start Vic and Romeu it usually ends with Romeu being subbed at HT. Not sure it really works.
Dalek2003 Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Another 3 points would not only increase confidence but pull us clear of the relegation scrap. Then, maybe get a point or more at Carrow Road.
MarijnArnhem Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 During his time at Feyenoord Clasie struggled with his fitness aswell, some games he got subbed off at the 80th minute because he had cramp or was too tired to continue. I think that's just something he needs to cope with. He never had injury problems at Feyenoord though.
LGTL Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 I hope Clasie can stay fit because there's been glimpses of class from him. My starting 11; Stek Martina Fonte VVD Bertrand Wanyama Davis JWP Long Mane Tadic I've not seen anything to suggest Romeu and Wanyama can play effectively together.
SuperSAINT Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 I hope Clasie can stay fit because there's been glimpses of class from him. My starting 11; Stek Martina Fonte VVD Bertrand Wanyama Davis JWP Long Mane Tadic I've not seen anything to suggest Romeu and Wanyama can play effectively together. Think we'll be lucky to only make 1 change from Arsenal.
SuperSAINT Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 David Gold on Twitter: I'm hopeful that Andy Carroll, Manuel Lanzini and James Tomkins will be available for the Southampton game. dg
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Can only see a tonking from Wet Spam in this game. (-; 1-1
WealdSaint Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 My boy's first away game After yesterday we are buzzing!
VectisSaint Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Romeu for Clasie, if Clasie is not fit, only change I would make unless Cedric is fit (and it would be harsh on Martina to drop him after his attacking performance yesterday). We need to bear in mind that Romeu, JWP and Fonte are all on 4 bookings, they all need to avoid a yellow tomorrow in what may be a very physical game, as Wet Spam have reverted to physicality since their injury-list inspired slump in form. Just hope that some of our players who ran themselves into the ground yesterday (Long and Davis especially) are fit to go again for 90 minutes less than hours later.
Pamplemousse Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 This has got draw written all over it. Having said that, one of our best away performances last season was away to West Ham so let's hope for a repeat. But I'd be happy with a draw.
nta786 Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 This has got draw written all over it. Having said that, one of our best away performances last season was away to West Ham so let's hope for a repeat. But I'd be happy with a draw. A draw with that Donkey Carroll scoring I reckon. Anyways, team for me would be this (forced to make changes unfortunately) Stek Yoshida, Fonte, VVD, Bertrand Wanyama, Romeu Tadic, Mane, Davis Long 3 change- however wouldn't be surprised at all if Caulker or Targett starts.
shurlock Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 A draw with that Donkey Carroll scoring I reckon. Anyways, team for me would be this (forced to make changes unfortunately) Stek Yoshida, Fonte, VVD, Bertrand Wanyama, Romeu Tadic, Mane, Davis Long 3 change- however wouldn't be surprised at all if Caulker or Targett starts. Carroll's injured and likely unavailable. They're decimated by injuries. And rhe rest of the side is looking pretty leggy (presumably Song was rested against Villa for our game). If there's a game that couldnt be better timed, it's tmrw.
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Carroll's injured and likely unavailable. They're decimated by injuries. And rhe rest of the side is looking pretty leggy (presumably Song was rested against Villa for our game). If there's a game that couldnt be better timed, it's tmrw. They think Carroll will be back. Cresswell is out having gone off yesterday and Tomkins doubtful. Lanzini may make the bench. Sakho, Payet, Moses, Reid all out definitely. Think they have drawn the last 5 but haven't scored many. Certainly nowhere near as fluid as at the start of the season.
St_Tel49 Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 Looking at clasie career he hasn't struggled with injuries. Cramp isn't definitely poor conditioning tho. Also, if you have had cramp no reason you can't recover in a couple of days. It should go when the lactic acid which caused it is oxidised - usually no more than a couple of hours
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 27 December, 2015 Posted 27 December, 2015 That is quite some injury list West Ham have.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 This is going to be be the hardest side to predict as we don't have the medical information and all this " red zone " stuff that clubs go on about . We really don't know whose knackered or carrying a knock that'll make playing again so quickly dodgy and put them at risk of missing more games . It's not like sat is a cup week , Ron will also have one eye on a very winnable Norwich game . Is Shane Long capable of 2 games in 48 hours , followed by another one 5 days later . His style is to give it all and he hasn't played that much since his last lay off . If Pelles out for Norwich , I'd be tempted to rest Shane for this one and play Mane & Juanmi as a front 2 . Obviously that depends on Mane and how he feels after Sat . Tadic should come in & OR , as they should be pretty fresh , and JWP hasn't had as much game time as Davis or Big Vic so I'd be tempted to rest them with him to stay in . I'd also give Reed a run , again because of his freshness , but cant see Ron doing that . If any of the back 4 are suffering then let's get Yoshida in , I can't believe Martena can play 2 games in 48 hours after not featuring much . It's not about picking your best 11 but a balancing act , giving you the best chance of picking up points , but limiting injuries . Remember last season when Big Vic pulled a hamstring minutes before he was going to be subbed. So I'd go with an old fashioned 4-4-2 Stek Yoshida Fonte VvD RB OR Reed JWP Tadic Mane Juanmi with long coming in for Mane if Pelle will make Norwich.
Lambert1979 Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 Don't know why but had it in my head it was on sky - does anyone know any Southampton pubs that will have it on?
Pamplemousse Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 http://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=161604&st=0&sk=t&sd=a West Ham fans are not very confident. Reminds me of the pre-match thread we had for the Arsenal game...
doddisalegend Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 (edited) Interesting quote from Shane Long I read this morning. Think Koeman had it spot on decent players lacking confidence. Hopefully the Arsenal game has given the team a big confidence boost for wham and the boys will play how we know they can. Also sounds like Long might not be able to put in the same shift again so maybe put Juanmi in for a start? “After the Tottenham game the gaffer said to us it wasn’t our formation which was causing us problems, it was more mental and confidence. He made it a bit more fun this week, had the lads joking and you could see the results of that on the pitch. I’ve never been so tired before in my life.” Edited 28 December, 2015 by doddisalegend
Pilchards Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 Two things spring to mind. First up dont tinker too much as the players will feel confident after Arsenal. Second, this game is certainly going to be one of the last on the MOTD order. 1-1 VVD header puts us one up.
Norm Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 Quote, “After the Tottenham game the gaffer said to us it wasn’t our formation which was causing us problems, it was more mental and confidence. He made it a bit more fun this week, had the lads joking and you could see the results of that on the pitch. I’ve never been so tired before in my life.” I thought Long had a superb game and he ran the two cb's ragged. I bet he was exhausted!
Mr Biscuits Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 I want nothing more than the team to play with the same confidence they showed against Arsenal. The result will look after itself. I just do not want to see a return to the rubbish we saw Before Christmas
Saint_Tony Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 Just think we will struggle with the short turnover time, less than 48 hours is ridiculous. We ran ourselves into the ground on Saturday. Having said that, West Ham are low on numbers and confidence. Think we will have to settle for a 1-1 draw. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk
david in sweden Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 One of our Dutch friends on here pointed out that conditioning / fitness would be a problem for him. I think many foreign players take time to adjust to the pace of the Prem. and the fact that Clasie was out of action with two months with (new) injuries, doesn't indicate he's " injury-prone ", but is certainly suffering from the lack of " a good pre-season ". As a midfileder, he's required to be " in the action " more than the average player. Coming back from any injury doesn't mean they can pick up where they left off..as we will undoubtedly see when JayRod (eventually) returns. I always recall Alan Shearer's famous comment.." there's a lot of difference between ....being able to play, and being... "match-fit"
whelk Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 Just think we will struggle with the short turnover time, less than 48 hours is ridiculous. We ran ourselves into the ground on Saturday. Having said that, West Ham are low on numbers and confidence. Think we will have to settle for a 1-1 draw. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Not ridiculous - they only run 6 miles or so - I used to manage playing saturday and Sunday. Ok so won't be at their peak but so what? imagine it being all sensible and being German - poor sods have no football for a month. And league is normally wrapped up by Bayern by now. But of course they will be ruthlessly efficient come France in June and England will be crp.
Shroppie Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 Think Yoshida will definitely start, especially if Carroll is fit. Could be three at the back. Romeu in for Clasie, Tadic For JWP. Long will be on a high from Saturday and may still start being replaced by Juamni later. Assume Pelle not fit. I'd prefer not to start him anyway, but could happen if Long is struggling. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 I think many foreign players take time to adjust to the pace of the Prem. and the fact that Clasie was out of action with two months with (new) injuries, doesn't indicate he's " injury-prone ", but is certainly suffering from the lack of " a good pre-season ". As a midfileder, he's required to be " in the action " more than the average player. Coming back from any injury doesn't mean they can pick up where they left off..as we will undoubtedly see when JayRod (eventually) returns. I always recall Alan Shearer's famous comment.." there's a lot of difference between ....being able to play, and being... "match-fit" I recall Marsden once had no pre-season whatsoever yet was picked for the opening game and had a blinder. Don't know how long Clasie's lack of a pre-season is going to hold water to be honest. Not sure you can overcome inherent stamina issues.
waylander Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 Just think we will struggle with the short turnover time, less than 48 hours is ridiculous. We ran ourselves into the ground on Saturday. Having said that, West Ham are low on numbers and confidence. Think we will have to settle for a 1-1 draw. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk West Ham also played on Saturday.
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 West Ham also played on Saturday. And they were away and we were at home. Of course we played later so it sort of evens itself out.
Roger Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 I recall Marsden once had no pre-season whatsoever yet was picked for the opening game and had a blinder. Don't know how long Clasie's lack of a pre-season is going to hold water to be honest. Not sure you can overcome inherent stamina issues. He still played really well the other night tho.
SuperSAINT Posted 28 December, 2015 Posted 28 December, 2015 I recall Marsden once had no pre-season whatsoever yet was picked for the opening game and had a blinder. Don't know how long Clasie's lack of a pre-season is going to hold water to be honest. Not sure you can overcome inherent stamina issues. I'm fairly sure that with today's sports science, you can.
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