Saint-Armstrong Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 As reported by Simon Peach... @SimonPeach: Koeman: "I was expecting a difficult season honestly because expectations were higher than what is normal for Southampton" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "We need to change our mentality - we are too nice on the pitch. They need need to win the battle against their opponent" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "We were so naive defending. It starts mentally & not to play nice football - we know we can do that. It's about killing the game" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "Maybe the players are living with what they did last season. If we don't give more than 100%, we have a normal team" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "Maybe if they go & look at the table they will realise it's not too late. React & to understand to what we need at this moment" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "We are not good enough when the referee blows his whistle. We need everything to be a strong team. The first goal killed everybody" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "The second season is always difficult for players, for a team that achieves more than expected. Opponents aren't afraid anymore" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "It's difficult to change the mentality. It's about the mirror in front of you, what you're doing this season. Maybe I make changes" @SimonPeach: Ronald Koeman the angriest & most emotional I have seen in his 18 months in charge. Furious with his players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 I don't really see what he can change. When you look at the bench none of the players on it have showed they deserve a starting spot (many the opposite). Will he bring Reed in from the cold? Martina? Ramirez? Maybe a game against a good team like Arsenal, and these comments, will spark a reaction but if not then it has to be either a couple of good January signings or perhaps a shock Managerial change (not my preference) as currently we are showing relegation form, performances and 'atmosphere'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Have to agree with everything he has said there. Need to see a 90 minute reaction against Arsenal with the players playing like its a cup final. That and the board investing a little cash in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Totally agree with RK...but who does he bring in? Romeu for a disinterested Wanyama maybe but beyond that I am not sure we have the quality or depth of squad to make the required changes. The apparent lack of leaders on the pitch is equally worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 3 obvious changes to make I think. Wanyama dropped Pelle dropped Gaston given a chance in the squad, if not starting I won't hold my breath on any of them though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 19 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Ronald speaking to the club's media team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 3 obvious changes to make I think. Wanyama dropped Pelle dropped Gaston given a chance in the squad, if not starting I won't hold my breath on any of them though To be replaced by ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 On this form, we are going down. ronald is saying all the right things but nothing has changed on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 To be replaced by ?? Romeu or Reed deserve a chance. Long deserves a chance up front. He hasn't let us down when given that chance before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 From the YT coverage RK saying we will be more physical against Arsenal. To be that would be Yoshida for Cedric, Romeu for Davis and Long for Tadic or along those lines. Doesnt sound like Pelle or Wanyama would miss out if we are going that way. To me those changes would make us worse, not better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Romeu or Reed deserve a chance. Long deserves a chance up front. He hasn't let us down when given that chance before Long is always a let down. Like today and like against Palace. He isn't the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 3 obvious changes to make I think. Wanyama dropped Pelle dropped Gaston given a chance in the squad, if not starting I won't hold my breath on any of them though Pelle has no service and Gaston has long had his goes and failed every time. Need premier league standard players or we perform like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Austin would walk into this team at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Austin would walk into this team at the moment. So would various other players who Saints don't own and therefore can't pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Romeu or Reed deserve a chance. Long deserves a chance up front. He hasn't let us down when given that chance before Hasn't let us down? He's been pants every time he's been given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 See this is not new. Koeman did not have it easy at Valencia or Benfica, but soon after things started going badly there he often turned against someone, either the press or some players. And he also got very furious publicly. I think this can be very poisonous for everyone who he is working with. It seems to me that he feels more comfortable with showing out that he is trying his best and no else is than just staying calm and adopting a more protective stance, and being a bit assertive. This shows that he is constantly more concerned with protecting himself above everyone else, which really isn't the best thing a leader can do. I was never too much of a fan of him, and as time goes by, I realize that his task really was to assure some continuity to a project that while more modest in ambitions, showed no signs of decline. Time is showing that his performance was better when his hand in things was yet to be visible, and while he may not have had much to do with the departure of many players, I think we are realising that there is a reason why we don't attract more than potentially average talent and his ex-players. I think Koeman really needs us more than we may end up needing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Romeu or Reed deserve a chance. Long deserves a chance up front. He hasn't let us down when given that chance before If we have to rely on Long as our goalscoring salvation then we are in deep sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Hasn't let us down? He's been pants every time he's been given a chance. Up front as a lone striker, that simply isn't true is it? I don't think he's the long term answer, but Pelle is out of form and needs taking out for a few games, and Rodriguez is injured. Having someone who is prepared to run in behind and into channels will give us a different approach in attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 He was saying killing mentality I was hearing Harry Reed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 If Pelle actually connects with the ball a couple of times in the penalty box today we probably win the game. At least take a point. Fine margins. They weren't better than us, they just killed the game. Koeman is spot on, we weren't ruthless enough in either box in important moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Up front as a lone striker, that simply isn't true is it? I don't think he's the long term answer, but Pelle is out of form and needs taking out for a few games, and Rodriguez is injured. Having someone who is prepared to run in behind and into channels will give us a different approach in attack Watford away he was up front and was terrible. Last week he was poor again missed a sitter. He's only ever scored 7 goals of less. If u think he's the answer we are a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 But only one home win in the prem today , maybe 2 after NUFC , holiday season usually throws up some odd results as well . Even so we need a win to get going again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Watford away he was up front and was terrible. Last week he was poor again missed a sitter. He's only ever scored 7 goals of less. If u think he's the answer we are a joke. Very good at Chelsea last season and also this season at City. So he hasn't been awful every time. Pelle is woefully out of form, we either stick with him and pray something changes or we're pro-active and try something different. Long would at least stretch teams a bit more and hopefully free up some room for Mane and Tadic. Might not work, but I don't think he'd do a worse job than Pelle is currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Drop Pelle and push Mane forward, why not try Juanmi, he looks like he has a killer pass in him, removing Pelle would refocus the attack, then take out VW and replace with AR Still not convinced that HR shouldn't be playing instead of Clasie who so far has looked anything but. Each time we sub off Davis we look worse, Back 4 I'd stick with along with Gazza Long is the last chance sub, someone to run around and maybe get a pen or force a mistake , he's not a starter in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Clasie was best player I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Half the team are **** should be dropped, play the youth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Pelle out of form, Jay Rod not the same player, Shane Long is a impact sub at best. Its not Rocket science stop patching up the holes with budget players sign some quality in Jan. Charlie Austin for me no brainer..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 He was saying killing mentality I was hearing Harry Reed! It is strange the situation with Harrison Reed. Not long ago Les Reed was saying he's the best thing to come out of the academy, now he can't get a game and was almost loaned out in the Summer. I thought he looked pretty good what I saw of him last season, I thought he could only get better given more game time. Then I was told about him having nights out with his mates at nightclubs and thought that didn't sound like something the club would be too pleased about. I wondered if his fall from grace was because of his off-field behaviour but now I wonder if his behaviour is because he feels he has no chance of getting a game and so he's less focused. I do wonder what Les Reed thinks about it now given the praise he heaped upon him. That reminded me of this article from the hateful Neil Ashton; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3213295/Southampton-s-talent-struggling-break-Ronald-Koeman-losing-faith-prolific-St-Mary-s-academy.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 why not try Juanmi, he looks like he has a killer pass in him, Guess you didn't see him today then. Looked like he had no idea how to pass a ball today. Unfair to have a go at Juanmi only, but he was awful and looked completely out of his depth today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 I always love how some of the lads like Reed appear to be the golden choice to make things better. Reed must have gone backwards and isn't even starring in the 21s. Doesn't that say all you need to know. Maybe he will work out but clearly from the fact these lads aren't being picked is down to the fact that they aren't impacting the 21s or impressing in training enough. I can't imagine they'd be ignored if they were doing the business in a business like football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 He will resign by next summer and who could blame him? A ****e board behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Clasie was best player I thought. He was **** as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 He was **** as usual. Was the best player for us. From a playing football point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Pelle out of form, Jay Rod not the same player, Shane Long is a impact sub at best. Its not Rocket science stop patching up the holes with budget players sign some quality in Jan. Charlie Austin for me no brainer..... Absolutely. Austin would have followed up Mane's strike that was parried by their keeper. Pelle stood there like a lemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 He was **** as usual. No he wasn't. He played well today much better from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 If we have to rely on Long as our goalscoring salvation then we are in deep sh!t. well we can't rely on Pelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Long is always a let down. Like today and like against Palace. He isn't the answer. Personally I feel a bit sorry for long, when he's not played out of position, Koeman plays a completely defensive lineup(City and palace games). He looked dangerous and scored against city once we gave him support. He's not a superstar but he is a decent squad player IMO. Definitely reed or Romeu deserve a chance rather than the currently awful wanyama. Doubt Koeman has the stones to drop wanyama though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Personally I feel a bit sorry for long, . He's not a superstar but he is a decent squad player IMO. Why didn't we sign a bloody superstar then? With all the money we get in, why have we settled for so much mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 He was **** as usual. No that was Wanyama & Tadic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Why didn't we sign a bloody superstar then? With all the money we get in, why have we settled for so much mediocrity. Our wage cap precludes us from signing the top quality players. That ain't changing any time soon. We won't pay the £100k pw Stoke pay Shaqiri!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Can people stop saying Austin! He is staying at QPR until the summer. Jose attached the players, 1 game later he was sacked. Hope we don't sack Koeman but if we lose against Arsenal and West Ham I think he could be the next manager to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Yet again the critics of Pelle sharpen their knives.Where's the service? Where's his protection from the Ref? He laid off three sitters for Mane and Davis but never got into a position to score himself as our corners and crosses were up to the usual standard of abysmal.Wrestling and shirt pulling appear to be the norm.I wonder how many bruises he has tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Can people stop saying Austin! He is staying at QPR until the summer. Jose attached the players, 1 game later he was sacked. Hope we don't sack Koeman but if we lose against Arsenal and West Ham I think he could be the next manager to go. IMO if we fail to pick up points against Arsenal and West Ham, then the crunch games for Ron will be Norwich and Watford (with FA Cup in-between) poor displays there and he's in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 IMO if we fail to pick up points against Arsenal and West Ham, then the crunch games for Ron will be Norwich and Watford (with FA Cup in-between) poor displays there and he's in trouble. We could be in the relegation zone after the Norwich game. I think the mentality of the club has to change. Some went into the season thinking we would have an easy season in the league and have a European adventure and maybe some good Cup runs. As I advised, we should never have taken the EPL status for granted. We can still shake ourselves out of this arrogant complacency but we need to do it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 We could be in the relegation zone after the Norwich game. I think the mentality of the club has to change. Some went into the season thinking we would have an easy season in the league and have a European adventure and maybe some good Cup runs. As I advised, we should never have taken the EPL status for granted. We can still shake ourselves out of this arrogant complacency but we need to do it soon. Still can't believe you supported the guy who ruined our greatest ever players career. Hoddle is a terrible man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian firefly Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Pelle has no service and Gaston has long had his goes and failed every time. Need premier league standard players or we perform like this. until he is replaced options are limited for change the outcome couldnt be anything less than losing again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 No that was Wanyama & Tadic! Have to disagree there fella - thought Tadic was one of our best players today - got some lovely crosses in, just no one took advantage. Totally agree about VW though - it was disgraceful the way Dembele just brushed him aside at times, and VW fell over like a little girl (apologies to little girls). If Spurs still want to pay £20M for him in Jan then defo go for it, or a straight swap for Dembele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 As reported by Simon Peach... @SimonPeach: Koeman: "I was expecting a difficult season honestly because expectations were higher than what is normal for Southampton" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "We need to change our mentality - we are too nice on the pitch. They need need to win the battle against their opponent" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "We were so naive defending. It starts mentally & not to play nice football - we know we can do that. It's about killing the game" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "Maybe the players are living with what they did last season. If we don't give more than 100%, we have a normal team" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "Maybe if they go & look at the table they will realise it's not too late. React & to understand to what we need at this moment" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "We are not good enough when the referee blows his whistle. We need everything to be a strong team. The first goal killed everybody" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "The second season is always difficult for players, for a team that achieves more than expected. Opponents aren't afraid anymore" @SimonPeach: Koeman: "It's difficult to change the mentality. It's about the mirror in front of you, what you're doing this season. Maybe I make changes" @SimonPeach: Ronald Koeman the angriest & most emotional I have seen in his 18 months in charge. Furious with his players Agree with a lot of of what he says, Wanyama should be a key man for us, but isn't. Would also lump Fonte & Bertrand into that criticism as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 See this is not new. Koeman did not have it easy at Valencia or Benfica, but soon after things started going badly there he often turned against someone, either the press or some players. And he also got very furious publicly. I think this can be very poisonous for everyone who he is working with. It seems to me that he feels more comfortable with showing out that he is trying his best and no else is than just staying calm and adopting a more protective stance, and being a bit assertive. This shows that he is constantly more concerned with protecting himself above everyone else, which really isn't the best thing a leader can do. I was never too much of a fan of him, and as time goes by, I realize that his task really was to assure some continuity to a project that while more modest in ambitions, showed no signs of decline. Time is showing that his performance was better when his hand in things was yet to be visible, and while he may not have had much to do with the departure of many players, I think we are realising that there is a reason why we don't attract more than potentially average talent and his ex-players. I think Koeman really needs us more than we may end up needing him. True, Koeman is known for criticizing players who don't deliver for some time. I don't have a problem with that at all, when you get payed millions to put on a short in public you must face the consequense as well when you play like a turd. I don't believe Koeman does this to wash himself clean, he's just expecting a reaction from the players in order to turn things around. Sometimes this works against Koeman, especially when the results don't get any better. In that case it's better to move on, a manager is "a passer by" anyway. And you're wrong: Koeman doesn't "need" Southampton at all, when he leaves some other job will come along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Yet again the critics of Pelle sharpen their knives.Where's the service? Where's his protection from the Ref? He laid off three sitters for Mane and Davis but never got into a position to score himself as our corners and crosses were up to the usual standard of abysmal.Wrestling and shirt pulling appear to be the norm.I wonder how many bruises he has tonight? I agree. Pelle didn't stop giving up, even when things clearly were going against us. He kept on trying and you cannot fault his effort levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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