St.Patrik Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Artur Boruc (Bournemouth) Steven Whittaker (Norwich) Maya Yoshida (Southampton) John Terry (Chelsea) Martin Olsson (Norwich) Scott Sinclair (Aston Villa) Ola Toivonen (Sunderland) Marco van Ginkel (Stoke) Saido Berahino (West Bromwich) Cameron Jeroeme (Norwich) Pa**** Cissé (Newcastle) Like people say - statistics lever lies..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfc Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 If you always played Jamie Vardy at left back, he'd also probably be in this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 If that is a reference to Yoshi haven't we been playing him at right back? And Vardy is an attacker, Yoshi is a defender. If they are saying that Yoshi is a poor defender you really cant argue that point on his performances this season can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Poor bloke, stuck out of position, with Mane in front of him giving him b*gger all protection.... I do feel for him, he's absolutely fine as a third choice CB at the level we are at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Poor bloke, stuck out of position, with Mane in front of him giving him b*gger all protection.... I do feel for him, he's absolutely fine as a third choice CB at the level we are at. why? it is his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Harsh. He's a centre back, and is crap at RB. People who think he'just a defender so it doesn't matter are just mnongboard helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 why? it is his job It's fairly obvious why but I'm not surprised that you don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Harsh. He's a centre back, and is crap at RB. People who think he'just a defender so it doesn't matter are just mnongboard helmets. Speaking as a mongboard helmet, if he really cannot function at full back why play him there? I assume that he shows a modicum of competency in that position in training otherwise he wouldn't get a game. It really isn't that difficult to play at full back too if you are a Premiership standard centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Not quite the same is it. Your job is to defend. Just mark people and stop the ball ending up in the net. Can you do that? Yes. Can you do that if we move you slightly to the right? CHRIST NO. If you think it's that simple then I'd be surprised, especially at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Harsh. He's a centre back, and is crap at RB. People who think he'just a defender so it doesn't matter are just mnongboard helmets. This ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 I dont think peoples issues are with Yoshida himself but more with Koemans insistence in playing him there - Yoshida is a loyal servant and tries his best but unfortunately that is not good enough as a RB, but he shouldnt be slated for it However I just cannot understand why Koeman keeps playing him there when we all see it and the stats back it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 This ^ Tbf, Fonte would probably be part of that list if he played at right back too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 If you think it's as complicated as getting a striker to play there then I'd be surprised. When did I say that? Koeman clearly plays him there because he thinks he'll do a better job than Cedric, which is hardly surprising as he gets shoved off the ball and is usually hopelessly out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 I dont think peoples issues are with Yoshida himself but more with Koemans insistence in playing him there - Yoshida is a loyal servant and tries his best but unfortunately that is not good enough as a RB, but he shouldnt be slated for it However I just cannot understand why Koeman keeps playing him there when we all see it and the stats back it up The problem is that he is also error prone at CH. He was at it again on Saturday. His weak header straight to a Palace player set up their goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Like people say - statistics lever lies..... That's a new one to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Tbf, Fonte would probably be part of that list if he played at right back too And if you played Bertrand at centre back, he'd be in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 16 December, 2015 Share Posted 16 December, 2015 Artur Boruc (Bournemouth) Steven Whittaker (Norwich) Maya Yoshida (Southampton) John Terry (Chelsea) Martin Olsson (Norwich) Scott Sinclair (Aston Villa) Ola Toivonen (Sunderland) Marco van Ginkel (Stoke) Saido Berahino (West Bromwich) Cameron Jeroeme (Norwich) Pa**** Cissé (Newcastle) Like people say - statistics lever lies..... This isn't a statistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Wonder how Lambert would've been as a winger. I mean it was his job to attack wasn't it? For me, Yoshida is the perfect example of fans' hypocrisy. He always works his socks off. When he gets a chance at centre back, he usually puts in a pretty solid display, sometimes excellent, but even if he plays well he is likely to get dropped when somebody else is fit. He doesn't complain, he just does his best for the club, whichever position he's played in and always stays positive. Does this loyal hard working attitude of getting on with the job he's paid for mean that the fans stay loyal to him in return? Nope, nobody wants to reward him with a run in the team, many would get rid of him at first opportunity and he gets criticised when he's not up to standard out of position. Then these fans will moan about the loyalty of players like Lallana, Lovren, Chambers and Clyne. We have zero loyalty to players, so let's stop moaning when they don't have any to us. He's not the best player, so you can argue we're right to drop him, but by the same measure, we're not the best club, so they're right to drop us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 It's fairly obvious why but I'm not surprised that you don't get it. I do get it. at worst, he gets a few moans at the ground and a few people on an internet forum thinking he is crap at worst. Whilst getting paid millions of ££££ harsh life, eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 And if you played Bertrand at centre back, he'd be in there too. I'm surprised Bertrand's not in there at LB to be fair, obvs coming back from injury, no pre-season etc etc and he has had some good moments but overall he's nowhere near last year's levels. He seems to have rather gone under the radar with the focus elsewhere (Yoshi/JWP/Clasie/VW etc etc etc) but he's been a big disappointment this season, he's probably had his memo from Hodgson to get himself to a proper big club either before, during or after the Euro's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 I do get it. at worst, he gets a few moans at the ground and a few people on an internet forum thinking he is crap at worst. Whilst getting paid millions of ££££ harsh life, eh He's getting labelled as one of the worst 11 players in the league whilst being played out of position. That is harsh. I'm really not sure what his pay has to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 The mistakes he makes at right back are nothing to do with being played out of position. Underhitting back passes? Trying to 'take on' Sterling and getting his feet mixed up? It's just absolute brainfarts on his part that always seem to cost us. He is a half decent backup option for a club of our size. But he isn't a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 (edited) He's getting labelled as one of the worst 11 players in the league whilst being played out of position. That is harsh. I'm really not sure what his pay has to do with it. it is harsh but they/he gets paid a disgusting amount to put up with articles online by nobodies. Just like that one in the OP nothing said has been personal, attacked his family or went into his private life. it was an opinion on his performances this season. He plays in the public eye (gets paid horrendous amounts for it). The plaudits are sky high when he does well. Like wise, the criticism (which is valid) is there to be put out Edited 17 December, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 The mistakes he makes at right back are nothing to do with being played out of position. Underhitting back passes? Trying to 'take on' Sterling and getting his feet mixed up? It's just absolute brainfarts on his part that always seem to cost us. He is a half decent backup option for a club of our size. But he isn't a good player. Absolutely right re: his mistakes. Perhaps you can forgive his positional errors when playing RB, but he's made just as many basic footballing mistakes which are inexcusable wherever you are on the pitch. And it's not as if he's flawless when playing in his preferred position, as it was his poor clearing header that directly led to the Palace goal on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 The mistakes he makes at right back are nothing to do with being played out of position. Underhitting back passes? Trying to 'take on' Sterling and getting his feet mixed up? It's just absolute brainfarts on his part that always seem to cost us. He is a half decent backup option for a club of our size. But he isn't a good player. Utter stuff and nonsense. Clearly he wouldn't be taking on Sterling wide right and getting his feet mixed up if he was playing left sided CB. He is crap when he plays RB and makes more mistakes because he is doing a different job than when he plays in his more familiar position of CB. He still makes occasional mistakes at CB but generally not many comparitively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Our defence made a terrible mistake last week and it cost us the game. We actually made many mistakes during the course of the game. Last week was cumulative errors I can't blame just Yoshida, but he did allow the cross to come over Where was Bertrand? Too high up the pitch leaving our corners exposed. Look at the number of crosses in the match and you'll see the system left us exposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Utter stuff and nonsense. Clearly he wouldn't be taking on Sterling wide right and getting his feet mixed up if he was playing left sided CB. He is crap when he plays RB and makes more mistakes because he is doing a different job than when he plays in his more familiar position of CB. He still makes occasional mistakes at CB but generally not many comparitively. Come on, he shouldn't have tried beating Sterling so close to his own penalty area, knowing that if he lost the ball he would be completely outmatched for pace. That should be obvious to any player with a modicum of common/footballing sense. You rarely even see players like Iniesta trying to shimmy round an opponent on the edge of their own box, so a specialist defender should know to play the percentages in that position regardless of whether they're covering at fullback or not. Mistakes in position, you have a point, but mistakes on the ball like this cannot be excused in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 December, 2015 Share Posted 17 December, 2015 Come on, he shouldn't have tried beating Sterling so close to his own penalty area, knowing that if he lost the ball he would be completely outmatched for pace. That should be obvious to any player with a modicum of common/footballing sense. You rarely even see players like Iniesta trying to shimmy round an opponent on the edge of their own box, so a specialist defender should know to play the percentages in that position regardless of whether they're covering at fullback or not. Mistakes in position, you have a point, but mistakes on the ball like this cannot be excused in the same way. This is the key point. He dithered because he didn't know what to do. There's a bit about Guardiola and his methods in the Mail today, one sentence stood out for me: 'Every drill is rooted in a match situation with Guardiola's sole aim to give the players so many options that it becomes impossible for something to happen to him in a game that he is not prepared for.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3363189/Pep-Guardiola-pass-master-set-cast-spell-Premier-League-convince-new-players-philosophy.html Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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