supersonic Posted 14 December, 2015 Share Posted 14 December, 2015 I don't think you'd get what you want for the amount that you'd get. I'm not suggesting we will, we'd need to top-up what we get for Long to bring someone else in. Very frustrating that JRod is eating up a big chunk of the wage bill despite not being fit for 18 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Another poor display. In the moments where quality (instead of effort) were needed he was yet again found wanting. To think he will cost £20m across his contract... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 He reminds me of Forrest Gump. The only attribute that he brings to the team is that he can run fast in a straight line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Another poor display. In the moments where quality (instead of effort) were needed he was yet again found wanting. To think he will cost £20m across his contract... How much will Wanyama cost? His passing is woeful. He played a 30 yard pass out wide and missed his intended target by about 20 yards. I could've done better. P.s. I agree about Long too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2015 How much will Wanyama cost? His passing is woeful. He played a 30 yard pass out wide and missed his intended target by about 20 yards. I could've done better. P.s. I agree about Long too. Probably about the same as Long if he stayed across his 4 year deal. Not playing well at the moment but has made big contributions and will also probably be able to get what we paid at least for him, whereas it would have to be a mug club to pay anything above £5m for Long. Wanyama has been a starter most of his Saints career. Long is an overpriced and poor impact player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Long is just awful sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 December, 2015 Share Posted 19 December, 2015 Long is just awful sell him. Who'd want to buy him though...honestly. We paid around 12 million, won't get more than 5 now and clubs don't pay a 5 million £ misfit the type of salary that we're paying Long. It's not football manager, it's real money and real salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Shane Long is no worse when one on one with the keeper than Jay Rodriguez. Long can't be far behind Pelle for the season now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Comedy thread revival. Well done Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 So. I was a bit bored and thought I'd look up the two players (Tadic vs Long) respective stats in the premier league with Saints. Long 14/15 - 5 goals and 6 assists. (1545 minutes) Long 15/16 - 2 Goals and 0 assists. (366 minutes) Long Total - 7 goals and 6 assists. (1911 minutes) Tadic 14/15 - 4 goals and 9 assists. (2056 minutes) Tadic 15/16 - 4 goals and 3 assists. (1058 minutes) Tadic Total - 8 goals and 12 assists (3115 minutes) If you take assists as worth the same as goals then: Long has 7+6 = 13 and 1911/13 = 147 minutes per goal contribution. Tadic has 8+12 = 20 and 3115/20 = 155.75 minutes per goal contribution. So surprisingly, Long actually contributes more efficiently as an attacking outlet. Especially as he has a higher goals per minute ratio than tadic when both play as wingers, and tadic has a couple of penalties that could arguably be removed from his total with regards to contribution. I find the above amusing since some put Tadic on a completely different level to Slong in regards to his importance to the team and contribution... when actually there is very little in it and the little man probably deserves a bit more respect and acknowledgement of what he offers. Q E ****ing D Pelle needs to be dropped. Regardless of injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Fickle football fans being fickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Fickle football fans being fickle. calling it how it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 how right you are Saint Charlie. Shane Long is a total waste of space. I mean he only scored twice, hit the post and got himself booked as well....sell him now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 LOL, u ****s know **** all about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Sell now IMO whilst value is high and after a high profile game on TV versus a top 4 side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesaint Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 great game tonight....I am always complaining about his performances.....but for the amount of money we paid for him this performance should be the norm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Great game from him tonight. Still need a striker tho imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 LOLtastic on this forum tonight:lol: Ye of little faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 great game tonight....I am always complaining about his performances.....but for the amount of money we paid for him this performance should be the norm? Erm a striker that scores two goals a game would cost closer to £100million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 As I've said before....Long is not a £12m striker....but a £12m team player. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Interesting stat from the Beeb website: ◾Shane Long has scored five and assisted two more goals in his last seven Premier League starts for Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Someone close this ****ing thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Just as well that decisions on players are taken by management and professional coaches at the club and not by the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Last night really showed up Koeman frankly. Why Long has very rarely been given a chance up front with Mane is baffling. His finishing isn't good enough to justify the 12 million we paid, but last night was a Vardy like performance. He ran them ragged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 great game tonight.... I am always complaining about his performances.....but for the amount of money we paid for him this performance should be the norm? except if it's a "super buy "..like Gaston Ramirez or Dani Osvaldo - you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2015 As posted on the HCDAJFU thread: Serious question - would you be happy to sell Long and reinvest/gamble? Tough one. He won't do that every week obviously and there aren't a lot of teams you could play the same way against. Being honest, we shouldn't sell now especially as Pelle is injured but I certainly don't see Long being a regular starter across his contract and even last night he showed his very rough edges at times. Worth noting that yesterday was possibly the first real time we played to his strengths, so fair play to Koeman for that. But Long isn't a very good striker in a possession based game, isn't a good wide player and isn't a reliable finisher. As we have seen the majority of the time in his spell here. Excellent yesterday though against CBs who hated playing against him. Great to watch. The thread was partly a serious question (still don't rate him long term across a season of games) and also partly to generate discussion - which it did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 (edited) Last night really showed up Koeman frankly. Why Long has very rarely been given a chance up front with Mane is baffling. His finishing isn't good enough to justify the 12 million we paid, but last night was a Vardy like performance. He ran them ragged Once we had the Latvian Michael Owen, now we could have the Irish Jamie Vardy! I think Long can be very much our own Vardy like striker - a complete pest who's not afraid to wind up the centre halves to give him an edge. Unlike Vardy, he's not been given a real run of games to get himself going. Vardy himself was hardly prolific in the top flight until Ranieri started him regularly. Maybe that's what Long needs too. Anyone know how long Pelle is out for? A run of games alongside Mane could allow us to see the real Shane Long. Edited 27 December, 2015 by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 So. I was a bit bored and thought I'd look up the two players (Tadic vs Long) respective stats in the premier league with Saints. Long 14/15 - 5 goals and 6 assists. (1545 minutes) Long 15/16 - 2 Goals and 0 assists. (366 minutes) Long Total - 7 goals and 6 assists. (1911 minutes) Tadic 14/15 - 4 goals and 9 assists. (2056 minutes) Tadic 15/16 - 4 goals and 3 assists. (1058 minutes) Tadic Total - 8 goals and 12 assists (3115 minutes) If you take assists as worth the same as goals then: Long has 7+6 = 13 and 1911/13 = 147 minutes per goal contribution. Tadic has 8+12 = 20 and 3115/20 = 155.75 minutes per goal contribution. So surprisingly, Long actually contributes more efficiently as an attacking outlet. Especially as he has a higher goals per minute ratio than tadic when both play as wingers, and tadic has a couple of penalties that could arguably be removed from his total with regards to contribution. I find the above amusing since some put Tadic on a completely different level to Slong in regards to his importance to the team and contribution... when actually there is very little in it and the little man probably deserves a bit more respect and acknowledgement of what he offers. Careful now....you need to have a watertight arguement on here if you start quoting stats. at people (I know)......however, I had to look back to find this post, but ..in some statistical analyses I've seen...." an assist " - (btw...you have to argue with some contributors on here what actually constitutes ...an assist) "an assist " is valued 0,5 (points) in stats. and a goal as 1 point. This being the case, Long's stats. would be considerably better than Tadic's using that formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2015 (edited) Why even "compare" LONG with Tadic?! You can do anything with weird stats. Long scored in 3 out of 33 league games he featured in last season which is ****ing abysmal. Long has the best goal per mins ratio of any Saints player in the Christmas period 2016 which is superb. Long scored against Germany so is the best striker in Europe. Edited 27 December, 2015 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Just as well that decisions on players are taken by management and professional coaches at the club and not by the fans. How right you are, some of the garbage written is laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 I hope Pelle was watching last night, Long, despite his short stature, was more effective in the air than Pelle often is and he gave a masterclass in how to unsettle central defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 I hope Pelle was watching last night, Long, despite his short stature, was more effective in the air than Pelle often is and he gave a masterclass in how to unsettle central defenders bit harsh as Pelle been injured for a while and before that period he was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 I hope Pelle was watching last night, Long, despite his short stature, was more effective in the air than Pelle often is and he gave a masterclass in how to unsettle central defenders They are so different as players it's a bit harsh to suggest they try to play in a similar way whatsoever. Pelle's aerial play is about retaining possession and Long's is about unsettling and creating that bustle. One thing is for sure - if we plugged Pelle into that formation and asked him to play like Long and if we plugged Long into our 4-2-3-1 and asked him to play like Pelle we'd not be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 One thing is for sure - if we plugged Pelle into that formation and asked him to play like Long and if we plugged Long into our 4-2-3-1 and asked him to play like Pelle we'd not be very good. Always worth remembering this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 He reminds me of Forrest Gump. The only attribute that he brings to the team is that he can run fast in a straight line. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 It isn't Shane Long's fault that we paid £12m for him but the club clearly felt he was worth it. Whatever you think of him as a player he puts in a shift and unsettles defenders. If we paid £8m for him would we be having the same debate? He did a brilliant job yesterday against the team many are tipping for the title. He offers us something different from the bench but has shown now that he deserves to start more games. Why would you want to sell him (and take a financial hit in the process)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 You guys are nuts! I'd pay £12million of my own money just to watch Shane Long a few times each a season. He was so much fun yesterday. I love his style - brave, risk taking, annoying, and bloody fast! I just hope he can do it more consistently, because we really need him now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 It's one game. All I want to see from long is goals. If he can get 12 this season, which would be his best by far, then he's a good player to have. If it's another 7 goals max then its just not good enough. League or league+cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 It's one game. All I want to see from long is goals. If he can get 12 this season, which would be his best by far, then he's a good player to have. If it's another 7 goals max then its just not good enough. What if Koeman doesn't select him - has he still got to get the 12 goals? If he manages that then I'd bump his value up to £50million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 It's one game. All I want to see from long is goals. If he can get 12 this season, which would be his best by far, then he's a good player to have. If it's another 7 goals max then its just not good enough. Yep - that's purely how strikers should be judged - goals and goals alone. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 I like Long, he is difficult to pick up and unsettles the defenders. He is a lot more physical than given credit for. His background playing GAA Hurling makes him unafraid of the physical clash. He played in two successive All Ireland Minor (U18 ) Finals before moving to Cork City to play football. GAA helps to give a nasty hard streak because of the total physical confrontation of the games. He is not a subtle finisher but still scores goals given the chances and service. Great the way he put Koscielny on his backside for his first goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 (edited) Yep - that's purely how strikers should be judged - goals and goals alone. Jesus. I know longy makes up for it in technique, close control and vision. Edited 27 December, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 I hope Pelle was watching last night, Long, despite his short stature, was more effective in the air than Pelle often is and he gave a masterclass in how to unsettle central defenders Pellè was in a box at the back of the Itchen North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 someone please take the shovel out of Saint Charlie's hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2015 someone please take the shovel out of Saint Charlie's hands [emoji38] What do you mean? I said I still don't rate Long over a season. He was good last night though, in very specific circumstances which won't be repeated many or any times in the rest of the season. Would I sell him now? No, because Pelle is injured and perhaps the Manager will now adapt our usual style to better suit Long, like last night. Was he massive overpriced? Yes Would I in the summer if a club came in with £8m or so? Absolutely 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Pellè was in a box at the back of the Itchen North. That's a posh secret santa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 What do you mean? I said I still don't rate Long over a season. He was good last night though, in very specific circumstances which won't be repeated many or any times in the rest of the season. Would I sell him now? No, because Pelle is injured and perhaps the Manager will now adapt our usual style to better suit Long, like last night. Was he massive overpriced? Yes Would I in the summer if a club came in with £8m or so? Absolutely 100%. Pa ha ha ha. Clearly some will never rate Long no matter what he does or achieves. £12m was a lot for him, our mistake was not buying him 6 months earlier before he signed for Hull. He's been unfortunate picking up an injury this season just as he was hitting a bit of form. He's great for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Pa ha ha ha. Clearly some will never rate Long no matter what he does or achieves. £12m was a lot for him, our mistake was not buying him 6 months earlier before he signed for Hull. He's been unfortunate picking up an injury this season just as he was hitting a bit of form. He's great for us. Yours and my definition of "great" must be different, but fair enough. Matt Le Tissier was great across his career. Rickie Lambert was great across his Saints career. Long was excellent last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Was he massive overpriced? Yes Would I in the summer if a club came in with £8m or so? Absolutely 100%. Not sure why people remain fixated on his £12m fee. £12m for a domestic transfer in the current market is not a huge amount of money. A decent season for a Championship striker and clubs ask for £10m+, so £12m for Long really doesn't stand out. Some people still haven't twigged the market has moved on from the days in the 1990's or early 2000's where if you signed a striker from another Premier League side for £12m you'd expect him to be one of the best in the Premier League. Those players now cost £25m+. You can get better value for money abroad, but in terms of buying a striker who has proven to be useful in the Premier League, Long at £12m has been a good purchase. Lucky for us Saints aren't run by Saint Charlie and won't sell him in the summer at a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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