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angelman

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And certainly not at the quoted fees which are ludicrous!

 

Interesting though as to what his value might be now. Certainly not the £12m we signed him for, even half way through his contract and even at his age. He had a frustrating start to the season being sub the whole time. When he got his chance with Pelle being injured, he took it and became first choice on the team sheet. Now someone said maybe he could even crack 20 goals next season. Given the 2nd half of the season performance, I have had that thought as well. Bit more shooting accuracy and voila. Now what are 20 goal a season strikers worth THESE days?

 

This is from February 2014: http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2014/02/24/premier-league-goals-worth-915k-each-last-season-and-1-5m-now-240201/ - might it be safe to round the figure up from £1.5m per goal to £2m seeing as 2 years have passed and the money in the game changed a lot? Not that I totally agree with the valuation, but anyway. He got 10 league goals @ £2m each = £20m. Having said I don't agree with the valuation, the likes of Man U will spunk away £50m on a 20-25 goal a season striker.

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Saint86

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Can't believe people trying to defend this post. I posted Long's stats in this thread when he was still "the understudy" and being played out of position and typically for only parts of games... Even then he came out better than Tadic which was the point I made with the stats and somewhat ended the argument I would have thought on this thread.

 

Despite that, people are still going on about it and trying to save face now as well. MLG is correct. It was bloody clear that Long was a quality player for us. Even when he was out wide and even when he was only getting bit part appearances. The point people were making on this thread was frankly embarrassing and its even more cringe watching people trying to defend or weasel out of it now.

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captainchris

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Can't believe people trying to defend this post. I posted Long's stats in this thread when he was still "the understudy" and being played out of position and typically for only parts of games... Even then he came out better than Tadic which was the point I made with the stats and somewhat ended the argument I would have thought on this thread.

 

Despite that, people are still going on about it and trying to save face now as well. MLG is correct. It was bloody clear that Long was a quality player for us. Even when he was out wide and even when he was only getting bit part appearances. The point people were making on this thread was frankly embarrassing and its even more cringe watching people trying to defend or weasel out of it now.

 

Spot on....

Cringeworthy posts on this thread.

'Selling to reinvest' We are not playing shops here! This is a football team where the aim is to create a match winning team with match winning players. You do not sell known match winning players in order to buy A.N Other player who might be crap!

That is not reinvesting, its Russian Roulettte. We are not a Casino we are a carefully constructed football team...

Sell 'fringe' players by all means if they have been proven not to fit the team criteria.... Shane Long does not fit this model by any stretch of the imagination.

You cannot win a war with money alone, you need weapons.....

This thread advocates a very naive policy....

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Hodgey

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If Shane Long and Steven Davis play 'many many' games for us this year we will be in trouble. I'm hoping Hughes has just said this to keep them motivated - it's not his fault he's got a load of dead wood on £50k plus a week - but you're never going to sell that, or even loan them at those wages - only top or Premier teams pay that money and none of those will be interested.

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Dusic

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Crazy that Hughes nor the board don't seem to be interested in dealing with the massively bloated senior squad.
Hughes won't care, he just wants the most players to choose from as he can get, which he stated yesterday.

 

Long is in the difficult situation of being too **** over a long period for any PL team to want him and too expensive for any Championship team to think he is worth buying or loaning, certainly when you factor in what you get for that money, i.e no guarentee of goals.

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CB Fry

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Starts yesterday, ahead of Austin and Gabbi to being loaned out
Doesn't feel like a coherent strategy, does it.

 

He's not the greatest but we need willing runners to be part of our futile attempt to stay up, so I'd like him to stay.

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Lighthouse

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Starts yesterday, ahead of Austin and Gabbi to being loaned out

 

Didn't Merrington say Gabbi had a late fitness test?

 

Austin just isn't fit on any scale. Starts the season playing 70 minutes, then 35 minutes, then 25 minutes and when he is on the pitch he looks yards off the pace.

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Badger

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I'm a supporter of Long, but yesterday was shockingly bad.

 

Strange how opinions can vary then, as I'm not a great fan of Long (although acknowledge his effort and commitment) and felt he was okay for much of yesterday and contributed a bit with his running, first half especially. Obviously he was crap in front of goal but I've come to accept that you don't start him if you're looking for his goals contribution.

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Lord Duckhunter

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I'm a supporter of Long, but yesterday was shockingly bad.

 

He wasn’t.

 

The problem Hughes has got is Austin isn’t mobile enough, Gabbi is not really physical enough & Long is Long. Until Hughes finds a formation/style of play to get Gabbi the service he needs or to dominate enough of the ball in the final third so Austin can “goal hang “ , Longs going to be our best bet. Physically he battles and he gives us an out ball, he just hasn’t got any quality.

 

 

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LGTL

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Didn't Merrington say Gabbi had a late fitness test?

 

Austin just isn't fit on any scale. Starts the season playing 70 minutes, then 35 minutes, then 25 minutes and when he is on the pitch he looks yards off the pace.

 

I know an ex Burnley player pretty well, and Charlie used to love a bit of his namesake.

 

No reason why he wouldn't still now...

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Toon Saint

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I know an ex Burnley player pretty well, and Charlie used to love a bit of his namesake.

 

No reason why he wouldn't still now...

 

If that was true then maybe he’d lose a bit of weight and show a bit more energy on the pitch.

 

 

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Dusic

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That's fair comment. He's a good 'out' ball when we are under the cosh and need him to just relieve the pressure for a couple of minutes.
He is ****e and the more minutes he gets the worse a season it will indicate us having.
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SW5 SAINT

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If we sold Long, how much would we have to reinvest?

 

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I've been wondering that, as the title of this thread is "Sell Long to reinvest" Probably enough for the right leg of a very average Championship player.......

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shurlock

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Easy player to knock and obviously the Austin truthers won’t go down without a fight but thought Longy was very important to how we played today. Can easily see Hughes sticking with him going forward. Very decent performance all in all.

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Lighthouse

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Easy player to knock and obviously the Austin truthers won’t go down without a fight but thought Longy was very important to how we played today. Can easily see Hughes sticking with him going forward. Very decent performance all in all.

 

Agreed - would rather him than Austin in the squad.

 

Long is a Championship striker, no matter how hard he works. His scoring record is absolutely pathetic and we have put in many abject performances as a team, despite him 'putting a shift in.'

 

Better than Austin isn't saying much as Austin offers very little. People always say he takes his chances and is a natural scorer but he isn't even doing that any more. He missed a free header against Everton and a penalty today.

 

I'd go with Gabbi and Ings. We just need to play better in the build up to spot Gabbi's movement.

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shurlock

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Long is a Championship striker, no matter how hard he works. His scoring record is absolutely pathetic and we have put in many abject performances as a team, despite him 'putting a shift in.'

 

Better than Austin isn't saying much as Austin offers very little. People always say he takes his chances and is a natural scorer but he isn't even doing that any more. He missed a free header against Everton and a penalty today.

 

I'd go with Gabbi and Ings. We just need to play better in the build up to spot Gabbi's movement.

 

He was the only player today holding up the ball and yes stretching play (which is much easier to spot when you’re at the game than watching a stream). Unfortunately Gabbi doesn’t come close to providing that support.

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saint77

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Easy player to knock and obviously the Austin truthers won’t go down without a fight but thought Longy was very important to how we played today. Can easily see Hughes sticking with him going forward. Very decent performance all in all.

 

Fully agree with you on his performance today

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He was the only player today holding up the ball and yes stretching play (which is much easier to spot when you’re at the game than watching a stream). Unfortunately Gabbi doesn’t come close to providing that support.

 

Spot on we lacked a player holding up or winning the ball up front in our first two games and Long provides this, unfortunately Gabbi cannot do this and with him up front we consistently give the ball away and put ourselves under pressure

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woodsaint

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We've got some decent service out of him, but definitely dont think he really works alongside any of our current strikers? He offers something off the bench to run at tired defences after 70 minutes say, just not sure whether its worth keeping him just for that

 

This. Not PL standard, hasnt been for a few years. Its bad when his best attribute now is holding the ball up. We could do with a big striker in january who could do this, offer some physical threat and of course, score some goals

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Lord Duckhunter

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This. Not PL standard, hasnt been for a few years. Its bad when his best attribute now is holding the ball up. We could do with a big striker in january who could do this, offer some physical threat and of course, score some goals

 

This is just pony. Why is it bad when a centre forwards best attribute is holding the ball up. It’s a pretty damn big part of the game. It’s something a lot of modern centre forwards struggle with, including some big powerful players. Of course you’d like him to play like Hughes did in his prime, hold it up and pose a threat goal scoring wise. But if he could finish , he wouldn’t be playing for us. The one thing he gives us that none of the other strikers do is an out ball. Some sides don’t particularly need one, but we do, and that’s why we look better (particularly away from home) when he’s playing as opposed to Austin or Gabbi.

 

To say he’s not PL standard is clearly nonsense. The fact he’s spent the last few years playing in it proves that you’re wrong.

 

 

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