SO16_Saint Posted 2 December, 2015 Posted 2 December, 2015 Well we played pretty much our strongest team vs Liverpool, and that went well. Take out Caulker and Clasie but keep the rest to redeem themselves. Can see us winning - but on my because Villa are truly awful
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Villa are awful but so are we at the moment. No one can be confident of a win given how we are defending currently. Losing to villa is not an option otherwise confidence will be rock bottom and we will only go one way. Time for players to pull their fingers out and koeman to get real with tactics. Last 3 games have shown koeman isn't a tactical mastermind, some really poor decisions from him. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk
Roger Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Hopefully fonte, if not then Yoshida. Romeu for Clasie, jwp for Davis. Wouldn't mind juanmi getting a chance but he won't. Keep long away from the tram. Romeo gets booked every two minutes and jwp is just awful.
pangy Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 2 holding and a creative mid is what I would like to see but it's never going to happen Vic Rom Gaston Mane Pelle Tadic Would love to see this
simo Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Same as last night except fonte /maya for caulker if Saturday isn't a drastic difference from last night then next game I start dropping first team players for some of the nippers
Matthew Le God Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Same as last night except fonte /maya for caulker Last night in the second half Koeman was playing a 3-4-3 formation; which involved Bertrand as a central midfielder and Wanyama as a centre back... Stekelenburg Caulker Wanyama van Dijk Davis Ward-Prowse Bertrand Tadic Long Pelle Mane I'd rather he didn't do that again.
davayy Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Judging by Koeman's and Davis' comments post Liverpool, I suspect we will see a very defensively strong side. Would bloody hope so as well. I can see us not playing Clasie given his lack of anything mid week. Hopefully we'll just completely boss the game (which on paper, we really should) and come out with a clean 3-0 win. Alternatively, we will concede early and heads drop. Let's hope for the former.
Window Cleaner Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Judging by Koeman's and Davis' comments post Liverpool, I suspect we will see a very defensively strong side. Would bloody hope so as well. I can see us not playing Clasie given his lack of anything mid week. Hopefully we'll just completely boss the game (which on paper, we really should) and come out with a clean 3-0 win. Alternatively, we will concede early and heads drop. Let's hope for the former. Defensively strong side ? By doing what, we don't really have any more quality defenders than we played last night, well Fonte I suppose instead of Caulker but after that we can just add to the numbers on defence but not really to the quality. If we were going to go archidefensive I thought it would have been last night given the prize at stake.
davayy Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Defensively strong side ? By doing what, we don't really have any more quality defenders than we played last night, well Fonte I suppose instead of Caulker but after that we can just add to the numbers on defence but not really to the quality. If we were going to go archidefensive I thought it would have been last night given the prize at stake. I guess what I meant was defensively tactically as much as starting XI. Back to basics, simple football and just stick to what we know under Koeman.
jamesfp1 Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Been a Saints fan long enough to know that this a guaranteed loss. The team that everybody beats..
VectisSaint Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Defensively strong side ? By doing what, we don't really have any more quality defenders than we played last night, well Fonte I suppose instead of Caulker but after that we can just add to the numbers on defence but not really to the quality. If we were going to go archidefensive I thought it would have been last night given the prize at stake. I took Koeman's comments to mean that we will go more defensively in midfield, i.e. two defensive mids in front of the back 4, that probably means Romeu or possibly JWP alongside Vic, with Davis more advanced. Recently we have been using Vic, with Clasie and Davis more advanced. I don't think there is much more than that that we can do, assuming of course Fonte is back, and I wouldn't be 100% certain of that.
verlaine1979 Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Clasie is, and has been played as a DM in all his recent starts. Where did this idea that we haven't been using two DMs lately come from?
Pedro Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Reading all the comments on here and FB I imagine about 25k attendance.
scotty Posted 3 December, 2015 Posted 3 December, 2015 Just f*cking well win. I don't care how. That's probably what Ron is saying to the players.
Genk Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 I think we'll win this one with Fonte back in the side. Need an early goal to keep the crowd off the players backs, and if that comes I think it will be a comfortable afternoon. Going for a 3-1 prediction here, hopefully having been given a kick up the backside by Ronald post Liverpool game.
DT Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Manage your expectations. We're very low on confidence and they will see this as a way of turning their season around. Will not want to visit here if we lose, and that is entirely possible.
DT Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Been a Saints fan long enough to know that this a guaranteed loss. The team that everybody beats.. This
ART Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 The saddest thing about tomorrow is that Koeman will pick an almost identical team instead of sending out warning to those who under-performed in the last two games. I wouldn't give a damn if he'd give the likes of Seagar, Reed and Targett a game. Koeman's holding back player development. No one needs reminding had Chambers stayed at the club, he'd be plying in the Under 21's. He's leading the long term health of the club into oblivion by not taking chances by giving young players a game. The one thing he doesn't seem to realise is that they'd bleed Southampton and give every ounce of themselves for the team. We can't keep saying they're not good enough when the dross he's brought in aren't any better.
Window Cleaner Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 This Like Burnley last year you mean, still I don't doubt that we'll win.
sadoldgit Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Apologies if this has been said already, but the Echo are saying that Ron is thinking of playing it safe and playing a defensive game. At home. To Villa? I bloody well hope not. Now is not the time to bottle it. We should win this at a canter. Will be very disappointed if he doesn't go for it.
Pamplemousse Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 We will win this one 3-0. Relax, Villa are dreadful. Crystal Palace away and Spurs at home are the worrying fixtures coming up...
warsash saint Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 The saddest thing about tomorrow is that Koeman will pick an almost identical team instead of sending out warning to those who under-performed in the last two games. I wouldn't give a damn if he'd give the likes of Seagar, Reed and Targett a game. Koeman's holding back player development. No one needs reminding had Chambers stayed at the club, he'd be plying in the Under 21's. He's leading the long term health of the club into oblivion by not taking chances by giving young players a game. The one thing he doesn't seem to realise is that they'd bleed Southampton and give every ounce of themselves for the team. We can't keep saying they're not good enough when the dross he's brought in aren't any better. Yawnnnnnn
doddisalegend Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Interesting article Ronald Koeman has a childish hatred of defeat... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3345821/Ronald-Koeman-childish-hatred-defeat-three-straight-losses-Southampton-reaction-against-Aston-Villa.html
Graffito Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Koeman's going to revert to a defensive mindset which seems to be his default position. It's how he shored things up and rebuilt team confidence after the flaky start to the season. We could well be in for another Watford but I remain hopeful of a win. An early goal would do it.
doddisalegend Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Koeman's going to revert to a defensive mindset which seems to be his default position. It's how he shored things up and rebuilt team confidence after the flaky start to the season. We could well be in for another Watford but I remain hopeful of a win. An early goal would do it. TBF we've been leaking goals like a sieve last few games last season was built on a good defence we need to get that sorted and halt the slide especially with Palace, spuds and Arsenal coming up...
VectisSaint Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Apologies if this has been said already, but the Echo are saying that Ron is thinking of playing it safe and playing a defensive game. At home. To Villa? I bloody well hope not. Now is not the time to bottle it. We should win this at a canter. Will be very disappointed if he doesn't go for it. Echo are only reporting what Koeman said post match. Of course that was a knee jerk reaction, maybe with reflection he msy think otherwise for Villa.
sadoldgit Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Echo are only reporting what Koeman said post match. Of course that was a knee jerk reaction, maybe with reflection he msy think otherwise for Villa. I hope so!!
eddie Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 we will win villatalk forum makes for some amusing reading - basically admitting that there is literally no team you would rather bounce back against than villa at home right now. gots to get at least one win in before christmas period!
Saint Garrett Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Stek, Cedric Fonte VVD Bertrand; Wanyama JWP Davis; Tadic Pelle Mane Go and redeem yourselves with the skipper back in the side. Maybe we play a diamond with Mane up top with Pelle with Tadic in behind centrally - width coming from the full backs...? Want to see Juanmi and Gaston on the bench and brought on if we're struggling to break them down. We need to get back on track after conceding 9 in 2 games.
Dig Dig Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Stek, Cedric Fonte VVD Bertrand; Wanyama JWP Davis; Tadic Pelle Mane Go and redeem yourselves with the skipper back in the side. Maybe we play a diamond with Mane up top with Pelle with Tadic in behind centrally - width coming from the full backs...? Want to see Juanmi and Gaston on the bench and brought on if we're struggling to break them down. We need to get back on track after conceding 9 in 2 games. I suspect that we will play Yoshida at RB if Koeman is looking to get back to basics for this game. Not that I'd agree with that but it would mean that width wouldn't be coming from the full backs.
eddie Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Stek, Cedric Fonte VVD Bertrand; Wanyama JWP Davis; Tadic Pelle Mane Go and redeem yourselves with the skipper back in the side. Maybe we play a diamond with Mane up top with Pelle with Tadic in behind centrally - width coming from the full backs...? Want to see Juanmi and Gaston on the bench and brought on if we're struggling to break them down. We need to get back on track after conceding 9 in 2 games. agree with this but drop JWP for ramirez. JWP been poor in recent games, normally a fan but feel ramirez actually more likely to pull out a decent performance than ward-prowse right now. davis then plays further back.
Saint-Armstrong Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Preview: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/content.php?686-PREVIEW-SAINTS-vs-Aston-Villa-Barclays-Premier-League-2015-16
derry Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Stekelenberg, Soares, Fonte, VVD, Bertrand, Clasie, Wanyama, Mane, Ramirez, Tadic, Pelle or Long for me. I've just had it with the JWP and Davis school of settling for unambitious football.
Dig Dig Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Pointless suggesting that Ramirez will be in the line up. We all know he won't be.
doddisalegend Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Stekelenberg, Soares, Fonte, VVD, Bertrand, Clasie, Wanyama, Mane, Ramirez, Tadic, Pelle or Long for me. I've just had it with the JWP and Davis school of settling for unambitious football. Well seeing as Koeman has said he wants to get back to being hard to beat Davis is a shoe in because he will close down and defend from the front something Gaston is pretty much incapable of.
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 I think the weather is going to play a big part no matter what team we put out.
doddisalegend Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 I think the weather is going to play a big part no matter what team we put out. ?? why what's the weather going to be?
Window Cleaner Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 ?? why what's the weather going to be? Seems to be mild and dry (for the season) forecasted. Bit of a breeze but not the end of the world.
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 ?? why what's the weather going to be? I was told 'wet & windy' but having just checked it looks like a bit windy but probably dry.
CB Fry Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 The saddest thing about tomorrow is that Koeman will pick an almost identical team instead of sending out warning to those who under-performed in the last two games. I wouldn't give a damn if he'd give the likes of Seagar, Reed and Targett a game. Koeman's holding back player development. No one needs reminding had Chambers stayed at the club, he'd be plying in the Under 21's. No one needs reminding of that, no. Box of frogs.
derry Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 It's not a game of guess the starting line up is it? Think it's just what people would do themselves or want Precisely. As for Davis he nearly closes down, nearly tackles but mostly doesn't, mostly just unloads the ball even if colleague is already marked, rarely scores and just doesn't do it for me. JWP is even worse. As for Koeman picking them, he also picked the three at the back on Wednesday, how did that go? and some bizarre failed team selections early in the season. On Wednesday Davis and JWP in midfield were non existent.
Graffito Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 I think the weather is going to play a big part no matter what team we put out. Not as much as the referee though.
shurlock Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Precisely. As for Davis he nearly closes down, nearly tackles but mostly doesn't, mostly just unloads the ball even if colleague is already marked, rarely scores and just doesn't do it for me. JWP is even worse. As for Koeman picking them, he also picked the three at the back on Wednesday, how did that go? and some bizarre failed team selections early in the season. On Wednesday Davis and JWP in midfield were non existent. You do realise, you say that about nearly everyone of our CMs, going way back...
Dig Dig Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 It's not a game of guess the starting line up is it? Think it's just what people would do themselves or want I'd play Messi just behind Pelle.
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 I'd play Messi just behind Pelle. Once we'd signed him he'd be rubbish.
Winnersaint Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 Villa have to beat someone sometime. Will be a hoot on here if they do!
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 4 December, 2015 Posted 4 December, 2015 I would have Clasie ahead of Wanyama, at least he wants to be here and compete for his place. Vic just going through the motions, hasn't performed for weeks now, and is on the brink of destabilising the dressing room yet again as another window approaches.
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